Temps too high too high! Please help

TheCurse · 07-23-2002, 12:58 AM

Ok, so I go upgrade my computer with the epox 8k3a+, XP 2000+, and 256 megs of Samsung 2700 RAM. I also bought a Swiftech with the Tornado 86cfm fan to cool that bad boy. The problem is I am getting 49 degrees and about 53 or so under load. Ambient is around 34.

Then I decided to go to watercooling. I got a Maze 3, Super Cube Rad., and eheim 1250 pump. I am getting the same readings as before. Right now as Im typing this im at 56. When I first booted up it was at 41 so I thought maybe it was working but went up to 50+ in about a minute. Ambient is 35 right now.

I thought maybe the bios was giving me a bad reading so I updated the bios but Im still stuck with these temps.

Anyone have suggestions? I don't know if its bad readings or what so please help!

Sanjuro · 07-23-2002, 01:56 AM

my money is on the cranky/cheap mobo diodes. you know how inaccurate they are. sometime they can go up to 5 degrees in difference. also because of their placements often they would be measuring components somewhere on the mobo that doesn't get cooled by the cpu cooler, thus getting higher temps than the actual CPU temp. If you can OC good and the thing is stable, i don't think temps are THAT important

bigben2k · 07-23-2002, 08:39 AM

Install MBM, you should be able to read the CPU diode with it.

TheCurse · 07-24-2002, 11:29 PM

I have MBM and it reads just like it does in bios. I tried overclocking and the max I can do is 145 FSB. That doesn't seem all that great to me. With PC2700 I should be able to go a lot higher. I should be able to get a 166 FSB. What would you guys say is the hold up? Something just isnt right here.

Anomaly2181 · 07-25-2002, 12:54 AM

Just wondering what the MBM is, is it like a DigiDoc?

g.l.amour · 07-25-2002, 01:46 AM

Mother Board Monitor. prg to log temps of your diff sensors. i also use it to shut my pc down once the cpu sensor goes over 47°C (in case of pump failure for instance). so it is a very usefull tool to keep your mind at ease.

g.l.amour · 07-25-2002, 01:53 AM

and to the curse; if u don't unlock that 2000+, then 145FSB is about what u get. all the high quality ram in the world isn't gonna change that. unlocking and going for higher fsb doesn't change your temps. the temp of cpu is dependant of VCore and Frequence. no matter if that is 1.85V 10x133 or 1.85V 8x166.

about the temps, if your ambient temp is 35°C, then 50°isn't that bad. my ambient temp is +/- 21°C imagine what that alone would do to your temps.

Wisked Klown · 07-25-2002, 10:04 AM

I'd say forget MBM and go with the DigiDoc 5. You get better readings with the digidoc then you will with MBM.

TheCurse · 07-25-2002, 04:19 PM

I must have been on something last night cause that last post didnt come out the way I meant. As for temps they are still way too high if he probe is accurate. At 35 ambient I get 60 degree temps not 50. Watercooling should cool a lot better than 25 degrees above ambient. It should be more like 10 max. Aircooling gets 25 above ambient so if watercooling is better, then why would it perform the same or worse?

bigben2k · 07-25-2002, 04:48 PM

You've got to read pHaestus article, on how to read the Athlon's internal diode. You can do it...

ECUPirate · 07-25-2002, 08:49 PM

read this..

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&threadid=3862

nikhsub1 · 07-25-2002, 10:22 PM

All you guys who say "get a digidoc" or "your diode is wrong" are just uninformed. The 8K3A mobo READS THE ON DIE SENSOR of the cpu, it does not rely on the insocket thermistor which is crap. His temps are accurate, more accurate than ANY external probe. His temps are still high, I have the same board and at 1.9V with a 30C case temp my load is 44C (folding 24/7).

bigben2k · 07-26-2002, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nikhsub1
All you guys who say "get a digidoc" or "your diode is wrong" are just uninformed. The 8K3A mobo READS THE ON DIE SENSOR of the cpu, it does not rely on the insocket thermistor which is crap. His temps are accurate, more accurate than ANY external probe. His temps are still high, I have the same board and at 1.9V with a 30C case temp my load is 44C (folding 24/7).

True, but which one is it set to read? I mean, why would there be a socket sensor?

TheCurse · 07-26-2002, 04:05 PM

I am running 1.75V right now with 30 case and 55 cpu temps. Bigben2k: since you realize there is a problem here do you have any suggestions?

nikhsub1 · 07-26-2002, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigben2k

True, but which one is it set to read? I mean, why would there be a socket sensor?

The only reason the 8k3a's have an insocket thermistor is for the Thunderbirds and Durons, they don't have the on chip diode that the XP's have. You can't even read the in socket reading with a XP chip. In MBM the setting is WINBOND 2 DIODE.

nikhsub1 · 07-26-2002, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheCurse
I am running 1.75V right now with 30 case and 55 cpu temps. Bigben2k: since you realize there is a problem here do you have any suggestions?

Tell us more about your setup, what fans do you have, a res no res, etc. Is anything in your H20 setup warm like the rad or the pump? Have you reseated the block?

TheCurse · 07-26-2002, 07:04 PM

I have One 120mm Enermax Clear Fined fan on the Rad. I think it pumps out 80cfm but I cant remember. I have it sucking the air through the rad not blowing into it. I am running inline with a res. The res is a Red Vine container for now. Im working on a small res to fit in the case. Nothing is is the water although it is tap water. I havent gotten any filtered water from the store yet. I have put the block on 3 times hoping it was bad installation.

I was thinking part of the problem could be the thermal paste. I got some cheap CompUSA stuff. I don't know that it would make that much of a difference though.

Oh and the setup goes:
Pump, Rad, Waterblcok, Res, Pump...

07-23-2002, 12:58 AM	#1
TheCurse Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Washington Posts: 35	Temps too high too high! Please help Ok, so I go upgrade my computer with the epox 8k3a+, XP 2000+, and 256 megs of Samsung 2700 RAM. I also bought a Swiftech with the Tornado 86cfm fan to cool that bad boy. The problem is I am getting 49 degrees and about 53 or so under load. Ambient is around 34. Then I decided to go to watercooling. I got a Maze 3, Super Cube Rad., and eheim 1250 pump. I am getting the same readings as before. Right now as Im typing this im at 56. When I first booted up it was at 41 so I thought maybe it was working but went up to 50+ in about a minute. Ambient is 35 right now. I thought maybe the bios was giving me a bad reading so I updated the bios but Im still stuck with these temps. Anyone have suggestions? I don't know if its bad readings or what so please help! __________________ Procrastination is like masturbation, it feels good, but in the end you are just ****ing yourself http://eff-off.net

07-23-2002, 01:56 AM	#2
Sanjuro Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Port Coquitlam, BC Posts: 74	my money is on the cranky/cheap mobo diodes. you know how inaccurate they are. sometime they can go up to 5 degrees in difference. also because of their placements often they would be measuring components somewhere on the mobo that doesn't get cooled by the cpu cooler, thus getting higher temps than the actual CPU temp. If you can OC good and the thing is stable, i don't think temps are THAT important __________________ Nothing to call home about...

07-23-2002, 08:39 AM	#3
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Install MBM, you should be able to read the CPU diode with it. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

07-24-2002, 11:29 PM	#4
TheCurse Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Washington Posts: 35	I have MBM and it reads just like it does in bios. I tried overclocking and the max I can do is 145 FSB. That doesn't seem all that great to me. With PC2700 I should be able to go a lot higher. I should be able to get a 166 FSB. What would you guys say is the hold up? Something just isnt right here. __________________ Procrastination is like masturbation, it feels good, but in the end you are just ****ing yourself http://eff-off.net

07-25-2002, 12:54 AM	#5
Anomaly2181 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 67	Just wondering what the MBM is, is it like a DigiDoc? __________________ I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather.....not like my family kicking and screaming in his backseat.

07-25-2002, 01:46 AM	#6
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	Mother Board Monitor. prg to log temps of your diff sensors. i also use it to shut my pc down once the cpu sensor goes over 47°C (in case of pump failure for instance). so it is a very usefull tool to keep your mind at ease.

07-25-2002, 01:53 AM	#7
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	and to the curse; if u don't unlock that 2000+, then 145FSB is about what u get. all the high quality ram in the world isn't gonna change that. unlocking and going for higher fsb doesn't change your temps. the temp of cpu is dependant of VCore and Frequence. no matter if that is 1.85V 10x133 or 1.85V 8x166. about the temps, if your ambient temp is 35°C, then 50°isn't that bad. my ambient temp is +/- 21°C imagine what that alone would do to your temps.

07-25-2002, 10:04 AM	#8
Wisked Klown Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sheboygan, Wisconsin Posts: 19	I'd say forget MBM and go with the DigiDoc 5. You get better readings with the digidoc then you will with MBM. __________________ MoBo) KT400 Dragon Ultra CPU) 1900+ XP@ stock for now Ram) Geil 512mb PC3200 Cas 2 Cooling) MCW462-UHT Video) GF4 TI4600@320/730 Sound) Audigy X-Gamer

07-25-2002, 04:19 PM	#9
TheCurse Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Washington Posts: 35	I must have been on something last night cause that last post didnt come out the way I meant. As for temps they are still way too high if he probe is accurate. At 35 ambient I get 60 degree temps not 50. Watercooling should cool a lot better than 25 degrees above ambient. It should be more like 10 max. Aircooling gets 25 above ambient so if watercooling is better, then why would it perform the same or worse? __________________ Procrastination is like masturbation, it feels good, but in the end you are just ****ing yourself http://eff-off.net

07-25-2002, 04:48 PM	#10
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	You've got to read pHaestus article, on how to read the Athlon's internal diode. You can do it... __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

07-25-2002, 08:49 PM	#11
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	read this.. http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&threadid=3862 __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

07-25-2002, 10:22 PM	#12
nikhsub1 c00ling p00n Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: L.A. Posts: 758	All you guys who say "get a digidoc" or "your diode is wrong" are just uninformed. The 8K3A mobo READS THE ON DIE SENSOR of the cpu, it does not rely on the insocket thermistor which is crap. His temps are accurate, more accurate than ANY external probe. His temps are still high, I have the same board and at 1.9V with a 30C case temp my load is 44C (folding 24/7). __________________ :-.,_,.-:'``':-.,_,.-:'``':-.,_,.-:'``':-.,_,.-:'``':-.,_,.-: E6700 @ 3.65Ghz / P5W DH Deluxe / 2GB 667 TeamGroup / 1900XTX PC Power & Cooling Turbo 510 Deluxe Mountain Mods U2-UFO Cube Storm G5 --> MP-01 --> PA 120.3 --> 2x DDC Ultras in Series --> Custom Clear Res "Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity." 1,223,460+ Ghz Folding@Home aNonForums :-.,_,.-:'``':-.,_,.-:'``':-.,_,.-:'``':-.,_,.-:'``':-.,_,.-:

07-26-2002, 04:05 PM	#14
TheCurse Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Washington Posts: 35	I am running 1.75V right now with 30 case and 55 cpu temps. Bigben2k: since you realize there is a problem here do you have any suggestions? __________________ Procrastination is like masturbation, it feels good, but in the end you are just ****ing yourself http://eff-off.net

07-26-2002, 07:04 PM	#17
TheCurse Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Washington Posts: 35	I have One 120mm Enermax Clear Fined fan on the Rad. I think it pumps out 80cfm but I cant remember. I have it sucking the air through the rad not blowing into it. I am running inline with a res. The res is a Red Vine container for now. Im working on a small res to fit in the case. Nothing is is the water although it is tap water. I havent gotten any filtered water from the store yet. I have put the block on 3 times hoping it was bad installation. I was thinking part of the problem could be the thermal paste. I got some cheap CompUSA stuff. I don't know that it would make that much of a difference though. Oh and the setup goes: Pump, Rad, Waterblcok, Res, Pump... __________________ Procrastination is like masturbation, it feels good, but in the end you are just ****ing yourself http://eff-off.net

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