who wants to make me two waterblocks? - Page 2

Brad · 08-08-2002, 03:57 AM

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I'm in the process of getting new machine, so If you're still without a block in about one month (maybe less), I can make you one. And are you sure that the mobo will accept the block that size, plus is that for pelt use ?

I'm sure it will handle 70mm x 100mm, and it isn't for pelt use. Infact 75mm x 105mm is the limit, but thats pushing it.

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do you really need the block to be soldered together.....soldering conterminates the internal surface area, and is not 100% leakfree manufacture, along with some nasty warping and whatnot....( i can if you want to)

What about the Quattro with only one inlet? The Audi with 3 tires? :P I don't need the block to be soldered, I just don't like the whole O-ring + lexan thing that seems to be popular. How much would 2x 70mm x 100mm 3 barb blocks cost? You can email me the pricing if you want to - otama@ihug.co.nz

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I could whip up a design for you. Email me and we can determine your preferences as far as base thickness, wall thickness and channel width.

I don't really have any preferances, I just want great performance, just as long as you bear in mind that I will have a 660gph pump and a BIX in this loop, and the waterblocks in parrallel.

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I thought you were considering a single block with mutiple inlets/outlets that would cover both CPUs and the N'bridge?

I am considering that but I'd need to measure the exact heights of the cpu and NB, and also bear in mind such a thing would be very heavy.

Jaydee - that design looks very familar

. Maybe my 70mm x 100mm size will let you have enough room to seal it?

Brad · 08-10-2002, 04:31 AM

who likes this idea? this one is done to 100mm x 60mm size, for use with a 3 clip hold down.

Central inlet of 13mm, two outlets of 10mm. In 4 pixels to 1mm scale.

Comments?

bigben2k · 08-10-2002, 09:52 AM

Brad, that center fin is way too thick. It's going to impede the cooling performance significantly. You might as well use a 1/2 inch baseplate.

Brad · 08-10-2002, 03:22 PM

the reason the centre fin is so thick is because I was worried about most of the water going straight down the centre few fins.

what about this one?

bigben2k · 08-10-2002, 08:49 PM

Better

Brad · 08-10-2002, 08:52 PM

so whats best then?

maskedgeek · 08-11-2002, 10:49 AM

if you dont get these blocks made in a month or 2 email me
i should have my mill by then...

and why are the blocks soo large? the ones i make are 50mmx75mm aprox, or the ones i have made in the past...

bigben2k · 08-11-2002, 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by Brad
so whats best then?

Wouldn't we all like to know!

Brad · 08-11-2002, 02:10 PM

I've got room for 100mm long blocks, so why not make them 100mm long?

I'm hoping I can convince someone who has posted in this thread already to make them soon for me

webmedic · 08-11-2002, 02:12 PM

I know how you feel. I would still like a radeon cooler from morphling but he's working on new tools so it will be a while.

#Rotor · 08-11-2002, 02:49 PM

Brad..... YGM

something like this? maybe...

morphling1 · 08-11-2002, 08:04 PM

Webmedic, I'm looking, I'm looking, patience my friends

Brad why on earth would you need such large block if you won't use two TECs, that's complete waste of space, it won't cool better than some good designed 60*60 block, and also this design doesn't look to efficient to me, you've got nothing in the center where all the action happen, you're going to have some death spots behind those T fins, plus block being so huge the water will move very,very slow inside, because there is just one water path with very large cross section and even that gets split two ways so velocity is again halved going left and right, no,no, this would be very bad the more I look at it, sorry. Design block the way you keep velocity at max and keep surface area large.
It all abot proportions if you got inlet cross section 120mm2, you want to have (if you're thinking two outlets) inside paths 60mm2 going in two directions, maybe a little larger if your pump can't handle a lot of preasure drops, or even smaller to improve velocity->heat transfer if you have pump that can do that.

Brad · 08-12-2002, 03:04 AM

Rotor - my mail checks every minute all day long, I probably had read the email before you typed that

I was just too busy at work to reply all day. But I'm at home now, finally, and you've gone offline. Maybe your TigerMP is on fire right now? :P Just emailing me the two pics would be fine whenever you're online next.

Morphling, the gap between the fins would be as thin as possible, also the open part of the block would be fairly shallow, only 5mm or so. If the block was 3/4" deep then sure the performance would suck. Also I intend the base thickness to be 10mm, to spread the heat out as wide as possible.

morphling1 · 08-12-2002, 04:50 AM

Ok, that I little better, but just how thin are you thinking, because 2mm will be is as think as anyone would be willing to mill in copper. Then I just read you want 3slug mounting on socket !!! Do you realize that just bottom alone (100*60*10) weights ~0.5kg, the that dense fins and 5mm copper top and you're close to 1kg, no socket is going to hold that secure, rethink.

Brad · 08-12-2002, 05:44 AM

ok, lets go back to the holes again then

this block would use a rotor style grid. The line near the top is the start of the rise in the socket 462 design. The outline is the area of the grid.

any comments?

#Rotor · 08-12-2002, 06:43 PM

hehe no it's not me that's offline, it's dns2go not able to do what they say they are best at.... my server has been non stop for some time now.... and it's frustrating me to have to deal with this kinda service, but ya, it's free, so I can't really complain now, can I.....

I am online now, or shall we say, DNS2GO thinks I am...

my pin-grid-array can go right up to 0.5mm in base thickness, easily, and since the pins go all the way up, the block will still be structurally sound, I.E.. you wont be ably do dent the middle of the block by pressing hard on it... of coarse the average thickness is always a tad thinker, due to the cone shapes of the hole bottoms....

would you want it so you can run the block with Tec's later on... or is TEC absolutely not in the picture... reason I'm asking, the VDFC pattern looks very different for TEC, than for just straight Core cooling...

Brad · 08-12-2002, 07:14 PM

no pelts at all - I'd need to run 220w's on them, which isn't practical.

which do you think would be better, your design, or my version?

webmedic · 08-12-2002, 07:23 PM

Rotors design looks more practicle. If you really want something big ask him about his quatro with dual ins and out. It's a monster block.

Better yet here are some pics:

http://3rotor.dns2go.com/images/Turb...ro/indexx.html

#Rotor · 08-12-2002, 07:59 PM

those first two pictures was just to get the imagination on a role.... as you can see it's plain and no holes anywhere, a blank in other words.....

here is what it has evolved.... mutated is a better word, I think

... into.

http://3rotor.dns2go.com/images/r&d/...00-cucu-03.jpg

and in 3D it looks like this.....

http://3rotor.dns2go.com/images/r&d/...00-cucu-02.jpg

and
http://3rotor.dns2go.com/images/r&d/...u-02_under.jpg

Brad · 08-12-2002, 08:20 PM

I've seen the quattro, that's what inspired this block.

Rotor, looking really nice, can you email me your account details so I can DD the money?

#Rotor · 08-17-2002, 02:45 AM

hmmmmmm..... haaaaaaaaaa.....

the smell of freshly milled copper.....

eerrmmm or is that coffee I smell....

picture 1

picture 2

I dono about that socket arm issue, I looked at my boards, and they all clear the top of the CPU by a substantial margin...

do you have some pictures of your board maybe?

Brad · 08-17-2002, 02:52 AM

very very nice.

there are pics of my board all over this place: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~otama/MPX2/

#Rotor · 08-17-2002, 03:02 AM

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~otama/MPX2/MVC-819F.JPG

looks like yours are fine too... seems like it even clears the socket without any CPU installed, or am I miss-understanding you as to the clearance you are talking about...

Brad · 08-17-2002, 03:14 AM

I'm talking about the area's in red

#Rotor · 08-17-2002, 03:24 AM

oh ok... yes, you mean the step in the baseplate..... yip, all nicely milled away....

08-10-2002, 09:52 AM	#28
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Brad, that center fin is way too thick. It's going to impede the cooling performance significantly. You might as well use a 1/2 inch baseplate. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

08-10-2002, 08:49 PM	#30
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Better __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

08-10-2002, 08:52 PM	#31
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	so whats best then? __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

08-11-2002, 02:10 PM	#34
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	I've got room for 100mm long blocks, so why not make them 100mm long? I'm hoping I can convince someone who has posted in this thread already to make them soon for me __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

08-11-2002, 02:12 PM	#35
webmedic Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cheney, Wa Posts: 367	I know how you feel. I would still like a radeon cooler from morphling but he's working on new tools so it will be a while. __________________ www.water-cool.com

08-11-2002, 10:49 AM	#32
maskedgeek Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: poop Posts: 145	if you dont get these blocks made in a month or 2 email me i should have my mill by then... and why are the blocks soo large? the ones i make are 50mmx75mm aprox, or the ones i have made in the past...

08-11-2002, 02:49 PM	#36
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	Brad..... YGM something like this? maybe... __________________ There is no Spoon.... Last edited by #Rotor; 08-11-2002 at 03:40 PM.

08-11-2002, 08:04 PM	#37
morphling1 Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Slovenia Posts: 468	Webmedic, I'm looking, I'm looking, patience my friends Brad why on earth would you need such large block if you won't use two TECs, that's complete waste of space, it won't cool better than some good designed 60*60 block, and also this design doesn't look to efficient to me, you've got nothing in the center where all the action happen, you're going to have some death spots behind those T fins, plus block being so huge the water will move very,very slow inside, because there is just one water path with very large cross section and even that gets split two ways so velocity is again halved going left and right, no,no, this would be very bad the more I look at it, sorry. Design block the way you keep velocity at max and keep surface area large. It all abot proportions if you got inlet cross section 120mm2, you want to have (if you're thinking two outlets) inside paths 60mm2 going in two directions, maybe a little larger if your pump can't handle a lot of preasure drops, or even smaller to improve velocity->heat transfer if you have pump that can do that. __________________ [My ftp, with lots of pics, hope to be home page someday

08-12-2002, 03:04 AM	#38
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	Rotor - my mail checks every minute all day long, I probably had read the email before you typed that I was just too busy at work to reply all day. But I'm at home now, finally, and you've gone offline. Maybe your TigerMP is on fire right now? :P Just emailing me the two pics would be fine whenever you're online next. Morphling, the gap between the fins would be as thin as possible, also the open part of the block would be fairly shallow, only 5mm or so. If the block was 3/4" deep then sure the performance would suck. Also I intend the base thickness to be 10mm, to spread the heat out as wide as possible. __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

08-12-2002, 04:50 AM	#39
morphling1 Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Slovenia Posts: 468	Ok, that I little better, but just how thin are you thinking, because 2mm will be is as think as anyone would be willing to mill in copper. Then I just read you want 3slug mounting on socket !!! Do you realize that just bottom alone (1006010) weights ~0.5kg, the that dense fins and 5mm copper top and you're close to 1kg, no socket is going to hold that secure, rethink. __________________ [My ftp, with lots of pics, hope to be home page someday

08-12-2002, 06:43 PM	#41
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	hehe no it's not me that's offline, it's dns2go not able to do what they say they are best at.... my server has been non stop for some time now.... and it's frustrating me to have to deal with this kinda service, but ya, it's free, so I can't really complain now, can I..... I am online now, or shall we say, DNS2GO thinks I am... my pin-grid-array can go right up to 0.5mm in base thickness, easily, and since the pins go all the way up, the block will still be structurally sound, I.E.. you wont be ably do dent the middle of the block by pressing hard on it... of coarse the average thickness is always a tad thinker, due to the cone shapes of the hole bottoms.... would you want it so you can run the block with Tec's later on... or is TEC absolutely not in the picture... reason I'm asking, the VDFC pattern looks very different for TEC, than for just straight Core cooling... __________________ There is no Spoon....

08-12-2002, 07:14 PM	#42
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	no pelts at all - I'd need to run 220w's on them, which isn't practical. which do you think would be better, your design, or my version? __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

08-12-2002, 07:23 PM	#43
webmedic Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cheney, Wa Posts: 367	Rotors design looks more practicle. If you really want something big ask him about his quatro with dual ins and out. It's a monster block. Better yet here are some pics: http://3rotor.dns2go.com/images/Turb...ro/indexx.html __________________ www.water-cool.com Last edited by webmedic; 08-12-2002 at 07:25 PM.

08-12-2002, 07:59 PM	#44
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	those first two pictures was just to get the imagination on a role.... as you can see it's plain and no holes anywhere, a blank in other words..... here is what it has evolved.... mutated is a better word, I think ... into. http://3rotor.dns2go.com/images/r&d/...00-cucu-03.jpg and in 3D it looks like this..... http://3rotor.dns2go.com/images/r&d/...00-cucu-02.jpg and http://3rotor.dns2go.com/images/r&d/...u-02_under.jpg __________________ There is no Spoon.... Last edited by #Rotor; 08-12-2002 at 08:18 PM.

08-12-2002, 08:20 PM	#45
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	I've seen the quattro, that's what inspired this block. Rotor, looking really nice, can you email me your account details so I can DD the money? __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

08-17-2002, 02:45 AM	#46
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	hmmmmmm..... haaaaaaaaaa..... the smell of freshly milled copper..... eerrmmm or is that coffee I smell.... picture 1 picture 2 I dono about that socket arm issue, I looked at my boards, and they all clear the top of the CPU by a substantial margin... do you have some pictures of your board maybe?

08-17-2002, 02:52 AM	#47
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	very very nice. there are pics of my board all over this place: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~otama/MPX2/ __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

08-17-2002, 03:02 AM	#48
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~otama/MPX2/MVC-819F.JPG looks like yours are fine too... seems like it even clears the socket without any CPU installed, or am I miss-understanding you as to the clearance you are talking about... __________________ There is no Spoon....

08-17-2002, 03:24 AM	#50
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	oh ok... yes, you mean the step in the baseplate..... yip, all nicely milled away.... __________________ There is no Spoon....

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