Help With setting up a water cooling unit

[XOD]

Hey guys,
Its pretty straight forward, I am going to list off the system I am going to build and I want your advice on what to use for what I want to cool it with

1. AMD 1.4GHz
2. Abit KG7-RAID
3. Gainward Geforce 3

What I want to do the cooling
1. Water Block (Maze 2-2) on pelt for cpu
2. water block on pelt for gpu
3. water block on pelt for mb northbridge

What kinds (of everything) do I need and what do I need for pump/rad and anything else I may need. I want a virtually silent but absolutley screaming system. I also plan on volt moddingthe board (when I learn how)so supreme cooling design is a must, as is silence (or near it any way) This system will be running nearly 24/7 (or as long as windows will let it run, until I install Linux
Thanks ahead of time for the help.

[Nordic]

I'd skip the peltiers altogether.

I don't wish to let you down. Perhaps you know what you're getting into:

The additional cost for the peltiers and power supplies for the peltiers don't justify the small performance increase you are going to get. Nevermind the complexity and the increased likelyhood of running into problems (condensation is just one of them).

Also, using peltiers on a hot TBird requires that you use multiple high wattage peltiers. There are plenty of discussions going on in forums and I think there is an article coming up on procooling about the very subject. The usefulness of using this method to overclock a high wattage TBird is questionable. You should be looking at a phase changer instead.

Additionally if you want a quiet system you will not get that when you have to cool all of the peltiers you're running, remember that the heat produced from the peltiers will be much greater than the heat produced by the silicon chips themselves.

Simply watercooling the silicon requires much less cooling power but gets you 99% of the way.

All this is of course: My humble opionion.

[vfrjim]

And, to give my opinion, unless you found a 'special' Tbird that actually will OC when you use a Peltier, it wont do much better with a peltier then a good HSF, so water only will keep it cool and not cause any condensation, remember, if you use a pelt, the heat you are removing is in your water, when you blow that heat off it, it goes into your room, just think of it as a nice 110F heater blowing at your leg. Most 1.4 tbirds will go to about 1.6 with good cooling and with out a peltier.

Jim

[resago]

assuming you go ahead with it anyway (just to say your computer keeps you warm in the winter) I would get the Big Mamma or DTec or some other LARGE heater core radiator.

[redleader]

That might not even be enough. The way I figure you need at least 172w worth of TEC for the CPU, 80 for the GPU and NB, then the 90w your OCed TBird will produce plus another 20 for the NB and GPU. Thats over 360w that your radiator would have to remove from the coolant. A Big Mama might do that with decent coolant temps with a 162mm fan at around 200CFM, but I'd want two BigMamas or one very large heatercore for that much heat. Either way this will be LOUD.

All thats assumeing you don't need an even larger TEC for the TBird.

BTW, don't think you can power 20-25 amps @ 12v worth of cooling gear off the same power supply you are running your drives off of, because you can't. You will need two large power supplies for the whole thing.

[BrianW]

Man!!

Those were the most hard assed, up front answers I've seen here.

Great job guys.

I am building a similiar setup to yours w/o pelts. If you wanna get some info after I'm done, just E-mail me.

[XOD]

ok, suppose that I drop all the pelts and added a chiller, would that be a better option? I also did a little research, the Maze 2-2 will hold not one but two 172w pelts... damn... but seriously, I do plan on going overclocking crazy, I was thinking of running the CPU on 1 circuit and the gpu and nb on a seperate circuit with 2x everything (much smaller pump and rad for the nb and gpu/vidram) I know it means alot more parts, but I have a big big big a$$ed case to use, (23inches tall x 18inches deep x 11 inches wide)so I have lots of room to mount 2 rads and 2 pumps, and maybe 2 res. if I don't go inline instead... plus I have been seriously researching fan and rad combinations, but still haven't been able to find reviews or info on alot of stuff. Also, I know I am going to need alot of power, about 2x431w Enermax silent psu's specially modded to be even quieter. I know I may not achieve perfect silence, but with the help of H2O, a dremel, and some hotwiring, and Panflo/PC power and cooling as my friends I can come close... anyway, back on track, would chillers out perform pelts directly on the chips? You guys put up some pretty good arguements for ambient or similar temps, but I want my systems cold... besides, that extra rad heat will be nice this year in my new place, it has very thin walls