Help/Advice!

HelpImNewbish · 09-18-2002, 10:32 PM

Just finished installing my water cooling system, after 8 grueling hours. The first time I got it up and turned on my pc, My temps were up to about 51, and I couldn't even run CPUBurn or Prime95 without blue screens. Then I noticed that I had the water going in the wrong side of my maze3...

So I fixed that, but now i'm still not so sure about my temps.
I'm getting 46-47, idle, on the insocket thermistor (mbm)
I was getting 45-47 idle with my slightly better than retail cooler @ 1445(1.82-1.84)

Heres some more info;

T-Bird 1.4 @ 1525(160x9.5) 1.87-1.89 Vcore, epox 8kha+
maze3 1/2"
Chevettte core 1/2" with shroud w/ 85cfm sunon, drawing fresh air (its beside my system on the floor.)
Eheim 1048
DD Acryllic Res (1/2") used as air trap, on top of system.

I'm using 3/8" Tygon, one peice of 3/8 silicon. Is this my problem? I figured since the ID of the 1/2 barbs is about 3/8, that this wouldn't be a problem. That maybe it would even reduce flow resistance?

Or is it just that im running a T-bird? I know they are notorious for high temps, but when I had a patched together w/c system before (maze2 3/8, 120mmx120mm copper core tranny cooler, eheim 1048, 3/8 silicon, and a T fitting with fill tube, I was getting 42-43 under load, at 1580(vcore 1.87-1.89)

I mixed the Water wetter at 2 ounces per gallon.

I might have a little too much AS3 on there, but not any more than i've had on any heatsinks/WBs ive had on before. This time I followed the instructions, sort of.

I'm going to tighten the mounting of my WB a bit more, and see what happens. Its pretty tight, but I sort of don't care if I bust this proc, since xp1600s are at newegg for 55.99 shipped.

If anyone can tell me what i'm doing wrong, i'd be very grateful. I'd be your bitch.

utabintarbo · 09-19-2002, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by HelpImNewbish

If anyone can tell me what i'm doing wrong, i'd be very grateful. I'd be your bitch.

Now who can resist an offer like that?!?

bigben2k · 09-19-2002, 09:45 AM

You should be getting into the low 40's. Since you're almost 10 deg above that, it points to lapping/mounting/AS3 issues.

I'd concentrate on that.

HelpImNewbish · 09-19-2002, 11:34 AM

I'm still not too confident in my AS3, so i'll just remount the waterblock. The thing is lapped pretty good though. As close to a mirror finish as I can get, after using up to 2k grit and rubbing compound.

ambient · 09-19-2002, 11:51 AM

could also be the mounting hardware. Are you using that nylon stuff. If so goto the hardware store and spring for the metal stuff.

HelpImNewbish · 09-19-2002, 12:52 PM

No, i'm using the nylon. I've used the nylon on my crappy system before though. Plus theres not a single hardware store in my area with bolts long and thin enough. I've asked around.

<------ Note my location. Hickville, and the hardware stores still suck.

bigben2k · 09-19-2002, 12:59 PM

It might be the rubbing compound.

What solvents did you use to clean it off?

HelpImNewbish · 09-19-2002, 01:29 PM

rubbing alcohol, although i used acetone to clean the thermal compound off, once.

bigben2k · 09-19-2002, 01:49 PM

Break out the acetone, and try again!

HelpImNewbish · 09-19-2002, 10:36 PM

Well....
I figured out the problem. After tearing apart my setup completely, so I could actually see in there good, I realized the waterblock was over the named side (the side that says "socket 462") of the socket. It was pressing down on it, and it was propping the block up so it wasnt making full contact with the cpu.
I assumed thats the way it went on, since if you put it that way, the opposite side of the block lines up perfect with the other edge of the socket. Plus when you mount it, it doesnt have as much of a tendency to lean off the CPU.

After taking it apart, I decided against putting it back on, for now. Got a 3 day LAN coming up tomorrow, plus my design scheme is really crappy. theres 3 tubes, the pump power cord, and the rad fan power cables going through an old 80mm fan hole on the side. Makes it very hard to move, but even harder to remove the side panel to get inside the case.

I'm thinking about getting a BIX off the FS/FT forum and going with a lite-on fs020. This case would require way too much work to get a 120mm fan hole on the bottom front, or the sides. Even harder to try and get a heatercore size square. It's got one of those acryllic fronts, along with metal. I am probably going to sell my case and maze3 to a friend. He's got a small 120mm tranny cooler, and I told him i'd sell it cheaper, but make him pay more for my m@d installing skills

Thanks for your help. Everyone here and in the chat constantly telling me to remount it finally got me to take it all apart and check.
And thats what it was.

09-18-2002, 10:32 PM	#1
HelpImNewbish Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hickville Posts: 41	Help/Advice! Just finished installing my water cooling system, after 8 grueling hours. The first time I got it up and turned on my pc, My temps were up to about 51, and I couldn't even run CPUBurn or Prime95 without blue screens. Then I noticed that I had the water going in the wrong side of my maze3... So I fixed that, but now i'm still not so sure about my temps. I'm getting 46-47, idle, on the insocket thermistor (mbm) I was getting 45-47 idle with my slightly better than retail cooler @ 1445(1.82-1.84) Heres some more info; T-Bird 1.4 @ 1525(160x9.5) 1.87-1.89 Vcore, epox 8kha+ maze3 1/2" Chevettte core 1/2" with shroud w/ 85cfm sunon, drawing fresh air (its beside my system on the floor.) Eheim 1048 DD Acryllic Res (1/2") used as air trap, on top of system. I'm using 3/8" Tygon, one peice of 3/8 silicon. Is this my problem? I figured since the ID of the 1/2 barbs is about 3/8, that this wouldn't be a problem. That maybe it would even reduce flow resistance? Or is it just that im running a T-bird? I know they are notorious for high temps, but when I had a patched together w/c system before (maze2 3/8, 120mmx120mm copper core tranny cooler, eheim 1048, 3/8 silicon, and a T fitting with fill tube, I was getting 42-43 under load, at 1580(vcore 1.87-1.89) I mixed the Water wetter at 2 ounces per gallon. I might have a little too much AS3 on there, but not any more than i've had on any heatsinks/WBs ive had on before. This time I followed the instructions, sort of. I'm going to tighten the mounting of my WB a bit more, and see what happens. Its pretty tight, but I sort of don't care if I bust this proc, since xp1600s are at newegg for 55.99 shipped. If anyone can tell me what i'm doing wrong, i'd be very grateful. I'd be your bitch.

09-19-2002, 09:45 AM	#3
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	You should be getting into the low 40's. Since you're almost 10 deg above that, it points to lapping/mounting/AS3 issues. I'd concentrate on that. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

09-19-2002, 11:51 AM	#5
ambient Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 312	could also be the mounting hardware. Are you using that nylon stuff. If so goto the hardware store and spring for the metal stuff. __________________ water cooled 1.4 tbird @ 1580 143x11 vcore 1.88 vio 3.55

09-19-2002, 12:59 PM	#7
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	It might be the rubbing compound. What solvents did you use to clean it off? __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

09-19-2002, 01:49 PM	#9
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Break out the acetone, and try again! __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

09-19-2002, 11:34 AM	#4
HelpImNewbish Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hickville Posts: 41	I'm still not too confident in my AS3, so i'll just remount the waterblock. The thing is lapped pretty good though. As close to a mirror finish as I can get, after using up to 2k grit and rubbing compound.

09-19-2002, 12:52 PM	#6
HelpImNewbish Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hickville Posts: 41	No, i'm using the nylon. I've used the nylon on my crappy system before though. Plus theres not a single hardware store in my area with bolts long and thin enough. I've asked around. <------ Note my location. Hickville, and the hardware stores still suck.

09-19-2002, 01:29 PM	#8
HelpImNewbish Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hickville Posts: 41	rubbing alcohol, although i used acetone to clean the thermal compound off, once.

09-19-2002, 10:36 PM	#10
HelpImNewbish Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hickville Posts: 41	Well.... I figured out the problem. After tearing apart my setup completely, so I could actually see in there good, I realized the waterblock was over the named side (the side that says "socket 462") of the socket. It was pressing down on it, and it was propping the block up so it wasnt making full contact with the cpu. I assumed thats the way it went on, since if you put it that way, the opposite side of the block lines up perfect with the other edge of the socket. Plus when you mount it, it doesnt have as much of a tendency to lean off the CPU. After taking it apart, I decided against putting it back on, for now. Got a 3 day LAN coming up tomorrow, plus my design scheme is really crappy. theres 3 tubes, the pump power cord, and the rad fan power cables going through an old 80mm fan hole on the side. Makes it very hard to move, but even harder to remove the side panel to get inside the case. I'm thinking about getting a BIX off the FS/FT forum and going with a lite-on fs020. This case would require way too much work to get a 120mm fan hole on the bottom front, or the sides. Even harder to try and get a heatercore size square. It's got one of those acryllic fronts, along with metal. I am probably going to sell my case and maze3 to a friend. He's got a small 120mm tranny cooler, and I told him i'd sell it cheaper, but make him pay more for my m@d installing skills Thanks for your help. Everyone here and in the chat constantly telling me to remount it finally got me to take it all apart and check. And thats what it was.

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