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maskedgeek · 08-17-2002, 10:38 AM

Rotor, got a q about yoru blocks

what do you have to make them? it looks like you cnc a bunch of holes that interconnect a little bit,

how thick are the plates you use?? it looks like its only 1/4 for tthe bottom and the top... and what kind of flow you get with those? it looks really restrictive...

#Rotor · 08-17-2002, 12:27 PM

Yes I "HYC" the holes with a somewhat cranky and not much used super-computer.

the plates are indeed relatively thin, and there is a good reason for that. in order to keep the flow velosity right up there, even with the most puny of pumps emaginable, the block volume needs to be held at bay, though the ratio between the effective surface-area and the volume, is way up there.

To design the block to make the pumps life easy... that is not what the block is there for, sucking heat out of the CPU is what the block needs to wory about. Let the pump worry about getting the liquid through the block.

"If it can't do that, don't go open up the block.... get a stronger pump...." is what I always said

flow rate.... well this is with 1000mm of lift.... 3 feet

which equates to about 169 GPH effective flow.

maskedgeek · 08-17-2002, 02:18 PM

what i dont get is how you can keep such high flow when it has such a small area to escape from the fitting! do you make the design on both sides of the peies? whats the performance like compared to regular blocks? like the swifty?

#Rotor · 08-17-2002, 03:29 PM

I have the pins on both sides yes, the fact that there are more than just one path for the liquid to take, reducing the flow-resistance of the block considerably, is what accounts for the apparent "not so bad flow" ....

also, the fact that the liquid spend a very short amount of time in the block, makes for awesome replacement rates, I.E.. the liquid does not have to follow a long and winding road to be able to get out again, it takes the first available path of least resistance and then it's on its way back to the radiator, making space for new cool liquid to enter....

I'm kidding.... I'm using magic cheat codes to get the flow up...

maskedgeek · 08-17-2002, 05:59 PM

lol your crazy

but the thing i dont understand is how the flow could be kept up... when it has a tiny spot below the barb to escape from.....

#Rotor · 08-17-2002, 09:25 PM

it's not that small, the chamber is abour 5 to 6mm high, right where the water comes in, but it' because there is more than one way for the liquid to go, that makes the difference. In a single channel design, you have one ticket-office, and 10 000 fans.... no way everybody is gona get in for the consert...

Brad · 08-17-2002, 09:44 PM

and with a 660gph pump per block I'm very concerned with flow rate

#Rotor · 08-17-2002, 10:02 PM

oh Brad......and while you are here.... check it out

http://3rotor.dns2go.com/images/r&d/...05582.JPG.html
http://3rotor.dns2go.com/images/r&d/...05583.JPG.html

I'm about half way, the most tedious part is done...

Brad · 08-17-2002, 10:08 PM

looking good. you've done almost all the damned work before the money arrives

still, I suppose you'd sell them fairly quickly to other people.

#Rotor · 08-17-2002, 11:53 PM

I guess it wouldn't be that hard no, though these blocks are a tad bit on the big side.... won't fit on most boards... doesn't even remotely come close to fitting on any of mine....... I had a bit of a dilemma, as it was almost surely a once off, I didn't want to spend the materials on making a template, nun the less it was 4 plates, that had to be accurately re-produced, so templating it was kind of a requirement, I ended up using a piece of plexiglass, worked like a charm, though the softness of the plexi, will render the template rather inaccurate after about ten uses or so...

Brad · 08-18-2002, 12:02 AM

they'll fit on most good overclocking athlon boards, definately the kt7/kt7a/kt7e/kg7/kr7/at7/kd7/at7-2 series will fit these 70mm x 100mm blocks.

I don't think they'll fit on any other dual athlon boards though, in particular the Tyan boards

#Rotor · 08-18-2002, 12:14 AM

the Tyan Tiger S2460 is absolutly not a go.... besides, the damn board does not have the 4 holes anyhow...

these new boards are damn nice as far as clean open space around the CPU... something i wanted so bad, when I was still Super-cooling a Drift-0.8 on my A7V...

Brad · 08-18-2002, 12:20 AM

I just love the mpx2. 2x Three Phase voltage regulation from the 12v line, 75mm x 100mm around the cpu sockets, 4 pci, 2 pci64, agp pro, 4x ddr, heatsink holes everwhere (cpu, nb, sb) no onboard shit, Vcpu, Vddr, Vio, FSB, Multiplier adjust.

just lovely

#Rotor · 08-18-2002, 12:24 AM

shut up.... damnit.....

I have all this money in my account and now you go ranting on about how nice that board is... that is not nice.....

how much are they, so by the way....

Brad · 08-18-2002, 12:28 AM

may I add that people have reached upwards of 175mhz fsb on these boards? I've got 177mhz on my board.

the cheapest is at $198 on pricewatch.

#Rotor · 08-18-2002, 12:33 AM

wow.... that is mighty nice and high....see now i'm allready googling on where to get one here in canada.

#Rotor · 08-18-2002, 03:59 PM

well, go figure, I run out of Dremmel cutting disks, halfway into the first block....

I should have gotten some more the other day....

some updates

picture1
picture2
picture3

Heavy_Equipment · 10-04-2002, 04:12 AM

Ok Brad...got pics????

Brad · 10-04-2002, 05:19 AM

lol, they haven't got here yet

Heavy_Equipment · 10-04-2002, 05:25 AM

...carrier pigeons???

Brad · 10-04-2002, 05:56 AM

nah, a big boat

Puzzdre · 10-04-2002, 05:58 AM

Kursk?

08-17-2002, 12:27 PM	#52
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	Yes I "HYC" the holes with a somewhat cranky and not much used super-computer. the plates are indeed relatively thin, and there is a good reason for that. in order to keep the flow velosity right up there, even with the most puny of pumps emaginable, the block volume needs to be held at bay, though the ratio between the effective surface-area and the volume, is way up there. To design the block to make the pumps life easy... that is not what the block is there for, sucking heat out of the CPU is what the block needs to wory about. Let the pump worry about getting the liquid through the block. "If it can't do that, don't go open up the block.... get a stronger pump...." is what I always said flow rate.... well this is with 1000mm of lift.... 3 feet which equates to about 169 GPH effective flow. __________________ There is no Spoon....

08-17-2002, 03:29 PM	#54
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	I have the pins on both sides yes, the fact that there are more than just one path for the liquid to take, reducing the flow-resistance of the block considerably, is what accounts for the apparent "not so bad flow" .... also, the fact that the liquid spend a very short amount of time in the block, makes for awesome replacement rates, I.E.. the liquid does not have to follow a long and winding road to be able to get out again, it takes the first available path of least resistance and then it's on its way back to the radiator, making space for new cool liquid to enter.... I'm kidding.... I'm using magic cheat codes to get the flow up... __________________ There is no Spoon....

08-17-2002, 09:25 PM	#56
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	it's not that small, the chamber is abour 5 to 6mm high, right where the water comes in, but it' because there is more than one way for the liquid to go, that makes the difference. In a single channel design, you have one ticket-office, and 10 000 fans.... no way everybody is gona get in for the consert... __________________ There is no Spoon....

08-17-2002, 09:44 PM	#57
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	and with a 660gph pump per block I'm very concerned with flow rate __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

08-17-2002, 10:02 PM	#58
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	oh Brad......and while you are here.... check it out http://3rotor.dns2go.com/images/r&d/...05582.JPG.html http://3rotor.dns2go.com/images/r&d/...05583.JPG.html I'm about half way, the most tedious part is done... __________________ There is no Spoon....

08-17-2002, 10:38 AM	#51
maskedgeek Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: poop Posts: 145	Rotor, got a q about yoru blocks what do you have to make them? it looks like you cnc a bunch of holes that interconnect a little bit, how thick are the plates you use?? it looks like its only 1/4 for tthe bottom and the top... and what kind of flow you get with those? it looks really restrictive...

08-17-2002, 02:18 PM	#53
maskedgeek Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: poop Posts: 145	what i dont get is how you can keep such high flow when it has such a small area to escape from the fitting! do you make the design on both sides of the peies? whats the performance like compared to regular blocks? like the swifty?

08-17-2002, 05:59 PM	#55
maskedgeek Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: poop Posts: 145	lol your crazy but the thing i dont understand is how the flow could be kept up... when it has a tiny spot below the barb to escape from.....

08-17-2002, 10:08 PM	#59
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	looking good. you've done almost all the damned work before the money arrives still, I suppose you'd sell them fairly quickly to other people. __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

08-17-2002, 11:53 PM	#60
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	I guess it wouldn't be that hard no, though these blocks are a tad bit on the big side.... won't fit on most boards... doesn't even remotely come close to fitting on any of mine....... I had a bit of a dilemma, as it was almost surely a once off, I didn't want to spend the materials on making a template, nun the less it was 4 plates, that had to be accurately re-produced, so templating it was kind of a requirement, I ended up using a piece of plexiglass, worked like a charm, though the softness of the plexi, will render the template rather inaccurate after about ten uses or so... __________________ There is no Spoon....

08-18-2002, 12:02 AM	#61
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	they'll fit on most good overclocking athlon boards, definately the kt7/kt7a/kt7e/kg7/kr7/at7/kd7/at7-2 series will fit these 70mm x 100mm blocks. I don't think they'll fit on any other dual athlon boards though, in particular the Tyan boards __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

08-18-2002, 12:14 AM	#62
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	the Tyan Tiger S2460 is absolutly not a go.... besides, the damn board does not have the 4 holes anyhow... these new boards are damn nice as far as clean open space around the CPU... something i wanted so bad, when I was still Super-cooling a Drift-0.8 on my A7V... __________________ There is no Spoon....

08-18-2002, 12:20 AM	#63
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	I just love the mpx2. 2x Three Phase voltage regulation from the 12v line, 75mm x 100mm around the cpu sockets, 4 pci, 2 pci64, agp pro, 4x ddr, heatsink holes everwhere (cpu, nb, sb) no onboard shit, Vcpu, Vddr, Vio, FSB, Multiplier adjust. just lovely __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

08-18-2002, 12:24 AM	#64
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	shut up.... damnit..... I have all this money in my account and now you go ranting on about how nice that board is... that is not nice..... how much are they, so by the way.... __________________ There is no Spoon....

08-18-2002, 12:28 AM	#65
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	may I add that people have reached upwards of 175mhz fsb on these boards? I've got 177mhz on my board. the cheapest is at $198 on pricewatch. __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

08-18-2002, 12:33 AM	#66
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	wow.... that is mighty nice and high....see now i'm allready googling on where to get one here in canada. __________________ There is no Spoon....

08-18-2002, 03:59 PM	#67
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	well, go figure, I run out of Dremmel cutting disks, halfway into the first block.... I should have gotten some more the other day.... some updates picture1 picture2 picture3 __________________ There is no Spoon.... Last edited by #Rotor; 11-16-2002 at 02:42 AM.

10-04-2002, 04:12 AM	#68
Heavy_Equipment Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Newmarket, Ontario, Canada Posts: 282	Ok Brad...got pics????

10-04-2002, 05:19 AM	#69
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	lol, they haven't got here yet __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

10-04-2002, 05:25 AM	#70
Heavy_Equipment Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Newmarket, Ontario, Canada Posts: 282	...carrier pigeons???

10-04-2002, 05:56 AM	#71
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	nah, a big boat __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

10-04-2002, 05:58 AM	#72
Puzzdre Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 969	Kursk? __________________ 'Out of cheese error... ...please reboot the universe (press the GBL to continue)'

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