Need some help on hose, rad and pump.

the creature · 10-12-2001, 07:15 AM

I have opened the packege withe the rad, pump and some hose.

I was dissepointed!!! The rad was "so" little.

Heres the probS:

The BlackIce rad I bought did have some off the fins "damege", I now that this is normal for a car radiator, but for a PC rad that is handpicked! Is this normal or should I send it back?

The pump I ordered was a Eheim 1048, it have two pluggins. Should I put the hose outside or innside(!). The hose is small enough to fitt innside, but I can't put it outside.

On the BI the hose was a little larger. I need to heat up the hose and then try to festen it.

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dw · 10-12-2001, 07:32 AM

The hose shall go on the outside.. and the BI´s fins shouldnt be damaged? my BI was packaged nice in foam and stuff.. so call or email the place you bought it from and ask if you can send it back and get a replacement

the creature · 10-12-2001, 02:44 PM

So it's should go on the outside......
What is wrong then? The hose, pump or me??
I don't belive the hose can go on the outside of the pump without getting destroyde.
The hose fitts (allmost) on the BI, but on the eheim 1048 (wiche should too the same size...) I only can fitt it innside.

redleader · 10-12-2001, 05:10 PM

You need bigger hose. The blackice uses 3/8 inch and the Ehiem is 1/2. I'm surprised any place would give you less then 3/8. Thats usally the min size.

Since the fittings don't match, you'll need to either get strechy tubing (thats what I did, use Silicone based tube in this case) or get a reduces fitting to convert the 1/2 inch portions to 3/8 inch.

Check www.dangerden.com or your local hardware store.

dw · 10-12-2001, 06:25 PM

Just buy 3/8" ID silicon tubing.. costs a fortune tho HEHE or some stretchy PVC hose..

the hose seems to be VERY Small..

the creature · 10-13-2001, 03:42 AM

Right now I'm VERY confused!!

Aren't the hose 3/8"?????
So the pump is wrong - NOW I'M ANGRY

Thay said (e-mailed the store before I bought) that the pump could be used withe 3/8 - didn't need to do anything!
That shitt store!!

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dw · 10-13-2001, 07:43 AM

Listen carefully that tubing you got is 3/8" OUTER DIAMETER
you want tubing a snap larger than 3/8" INNER DIAMETER

OR LIKE THIS:

PVC Tubing with 3/8" inner diameter.. the pump is NOT wrong.. i have used that pump with 3/8" tubing

sorry for the caps.. but hey just get new tubing m8 its no big deal.. just ask for PVC tubing with a inner diameter of 3/8" .. hope im helping yah.

dw · 10-13-2001, 07:44 AM

and IF you get PVC 3/8" INNER DIAMETER tubing it stretches over the fittings on the pump.. =) so dont worry

the creature · 10-13-2001, 08:23 AM

OK, I got 3/8 OD.
Is the BI 3/8 OD or ID?
Tried to heat the hose up and connect it to the BI - couldn't do it.

Is the pump 1/2 as readleder said or is it 3/8 ID?

If I get 3/8 ID would that fitt the BI, pump and the DD maze?

redleader · 10-13-2001, 11:24 AM

Well Eheim's website lists the 1048 and the 1250 (my pump) as being 1/2. Since I know mine is 1/2 ID, I'll assume yours was also measuring ID.

Strechy 3/8 ID will. My 1250 also has a 3/4 inch fitting that I streched 1/2 tube over. Actually I prefer it like this because the seal is extremely tight.

If not a reducing fitting is $1.50 at your local Acehardware or Home Depot. Its just a double sided barb that is 1/2 on one side and 3/8 on the other. Put tube on either side and its good to go.

Kevin · 10-13-2001, 11:41 AM

Don't be dissapointed w/ the Black Ice being so small... that's its best feature!

The Eheim pump has fittings that can be twisted off (at least the 1250 does). So you can change them. So let me see here...
1. As far as the Black Ice being damaged, if a few fins are bent, you should be fine. Every time I order a radiator there are always a couple fins that are bent. However, that is up to you...
2. It looks like your eheim has 3/8" ID hose fittings, although that seems odd to me. Where did you order it. When you go to a store, you cannot merely specifiy an inch rating. You MUST tell them ID or OD, otherwise they won't know what you ordered.
3. Are you sure the Black Ice has 3/8" fittings you said that they hose "sorta" fits over it. That could be 3/8" hose stretching over a 1/2" fitting... You should try unscrewing the barbs on the pump and going to home depot to grab some new ones. Did you get thsi stuff from the same place?

the creature · 10-13-2001, 04:03 PM

I ordered everything from the same place (www.www.microplex.no).
As I said I asked before I bought it and they only had one type hose.

I don't know what the size the hose it, so I mesured it.
Black Ice: 0.8cm(0.31496inch) innside,
1cm (0.3937inch) outside
Enheim: 0.9cm(0.35433inch) innside,
1.2-1.3cm(0.47243-0.51181inch) outside
Hose: 0.6cm(0.23621 inch) innside,
1cm (0.3937inch) outside

From this numbers I belive: Hose 3/8 OD, the BI is 3/8 ID and the pump is 1/2 OD, BUT it seems very strange (double checked it).

Is this correct???

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the creature · 10-13-2001, 04:06 PM

I also bought a Swiftech bleed-ventils. (3 valves), wiche has the same size ass the hose.

Kevin · 10-13-2001, 05:20 PM

Oh okay i think i know where you stand now that you mention the swiftech bleed valves. All Swiftech products use 1/4" ID hose. You can ignore the OD values as they do not matter. Because the hose fits, this leads me to believe that you have 1/4" ID hose. The pump u said has 1/2" OD... you should measure its ID. The Black Ice is 3/8" ID. 3/8" ID is standard. What size ID fittings does the waterblock have? If it is a swiftech, they'll be 1/4" ID and if they are any other brand, they will be either 3/8" or 1/2" ID. So here's what we know...
We know your hose and bleed valves are 1/4" ID.
We know your Black Ice radiator is 3/8" ID.
We need to know the ID of your pump barbs and waterblock barbs. Then we can further instruct you here...
-Kev

the creature · 10-14-2001, 03:43 AM

Thanks Kevin, I have one question more, you said that the hose would fit as long as the ID is the same, but on the BI the ID is 0.315 inch, OD is 0.394 inch and the enheim the ID is 0.354 inch, OD is 0.472 inch on the smalest - 0.512 inch on the largest.

That would mean that the hose on the BI is very loosy or it is VERY tight on the pump, or maybe both??

Regarding to the bleeding valves and the hose, I'll just send it back to them.

Kevin · 10-14-2001, 04:06 AM

Hmmm
You're gonna want to get the official word on the hose ID. Like check out websites to see. Cuz this decimal stuff is confusing me

. Bottom line is that if something is 3/8" ID and has a barb, the barb gets a bit skinnier just so the ID can slip over it. The OD doesn't matter too much. They have thick walled and thin walled hose. The ID stays the same, but the OD changes with the wall thickness. However, the hose is enterchangable, regardless of OD. Do you have any 3/8" ID hose? It would be nice if you did cuz you could then see how everything fits. Bottom line is that you should be fine though... try and go to home depot and get a small bit of 3/8" hose to see how it fits on the pump/blackice... then lmk.
-Kevin

the creature · 10-14-2001, 04:29 AM

I would have bought 3/8 ID hose for a loong time ago if it havent been weekend, the shops are closed and I'm not into burglery

Kevin · 10-14-2001, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by the creature:
I would have bought 3/8 ID hose for a loong time ago if it havent been weekend, the shops are closed and I'm not into burglery

Haha okay. Buy the hose... buy a bit of 1/2" ID hose too just to check it out. Then report back. Start a new topic cuz this one's getting long...
-Kev

10-12-2001, 07:15 AM	#1
the creature Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 108	Need some help on hose, rad and pump. I have opened the packege withe the rad, pump and some hose. I was dissepointed!!! The rad was "so" little. Heres the probS: The BlackIce rad I bought did have some off the fins "damege", I now that this is normal for a car radiator, but for a PC rad that is handpicked! Is this normal or should I send it back? The pump I ordered was a Eheim 1048, it have two pluggins. Should I put the hose outside or innside(!). The hose is small enough to fitt innside, but I can't put it outside. On the BI the hose was a little larger. I need to heat up the hose and then try to festen it. [ 10-12-2001: Message edited by: the creature ]

10-12-2001, 07:32 AM	#2
dw Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sweden Posts: 33	The hose shall go on the outside.. and the BI´s fins shouldnt be damaged? my BI was packaged nice in foam and stuff.. so call or email the place you bought it from and ask if you can send it back and get a replacement __________________ Yeh!

10-12-2001, 06:25 PM	#5
dw Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sweden Posts: 33	Just buy 3/8" ID silicon tubing.. costs a fortune tho HEHE or some stretchy PVC hose.. the hose seems to be VERY Small.. __________________ Yeh!

10-13-2001, 07:43 AM	#7
dw Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sweden Posts: 33	Listen carefully that tubing you got is 3/8" OUTER DIAMETER you want tubing a snap larger than 3/8" INNER DIAMETER OR LIKE THIS: PVC Tubing with 3/8" inner diameter.. the pump is NOT wrong.. i have used that pump with 3/8" tubing sorry for the caps.. but hey just get new tubing m8 its no big deal.. just ask for PVC tubing with a inner diameter of 3/8" .. hope im helping yah. __________________ Yeh!

10-13-2001, 07:44 AM	#8
dw Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sweden Posts: 33	and IF you get PVC 3/8" INNER DIAMETER tubing it stretches over the fittings on the pump.. =) so dont worry __________________ Yeh!

10-12-2001, 02:44 PM	#3
the creature Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 108	So it's should go on the outside...... What is wrong then? The hose, pump or me?? I don't belive the hose can go on the outside of the pump without getting destroyde. The hose fitts (allmost) on the BI, but on the eheim 1048 (wiche should too the same size...) I only can fitt it innside.

10-12-2001, 05:10 PM	#4
redleader Thermophile Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The deserts of Tucson, Az Posts: 1,264	You need bigger hose. The blackice uses 3/8 inch and the Ehiem is 1/2. I'm surprised any place would give you less then 3/8. Thats usally the min size. Since the fittings don't match, you'll need to either get strechy tubing (thats what I did, use Silicone based tube in this case) or get a reduces fitting to convert the 1/2 inch portions to 3/8 inch. Check www.dangerden.com or your local hardware store.

10-13-2001, 03:42 AM	#6
the creature Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 108	Right now I'm VERY confused!! Aren't the hose 3/8"????? So the pump is wrong - NOW I'M ANGRY Thay said (e-mailed the store before I bought) that the pump could be used withe 3/8 - didn't need to do anything! That shitt store!! [ 10-13-2001: Message edited by: the creature ]

10-13-2001, 08:23 AM	#9
the creature Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 108	OK, I got 3/8 OD. Is the BI 3/8 OD or ID? Tried to heat the hose up and connect it to the BI - couldn't do it. Is the pump 1/2 as readleder said or is it 3/8 ID? If I get 3/8 ID would that fitt the BI, pump and the DD maze?

10-13-2001, 11:24 AM	#10
redleader Thermophile Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The deserts of Tucson, Az Posts: 1,264	Well Eheim's website lists the 1048 and the 1250 (my pump) as being 1/2. Since I know mine is 1/2 ID, I'll assume yours was also measuring ID. Strechy 3/8 ID will. My 1250 also has a 3/4 inch fitting that I streched 1/2 tube over. Actually I prefer it like this because the seal is extremely tight. If not a reducing fitting is $1.50 at your local Acehardware or Home Depot. Its just a double sided barb that is 1/2 on one side and 3/8 on the other. Put tube on either side and its good to go.

10-13-2001, 11:41 AM	#11
Kevin Slacking more than your weird uncle Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: San Diego, CA (UCSD) / Los Angeles, CA (home) Posts: 1,605	Don't be dissapointed w/ the Black Ice being so small... that's its best feature! The Eheim pump has fittings that can be twisted off (at least the 1250 does). So you can change them. So let me see here... 1. As far as the Black Ice being damaged, if a few fins are bent, you should be fine. Every time I order a radiator there are always a couple fins that are bent. However, that is up to you... 2. It looks like your eheim has 3/8" ID hose fittings, although that seems odd to me. Where did you order it. When you go to a store, you cannot merely specifiy an inch rating. You MUST tell them ID or OD, otherwise they won't know what you ordered. 3. Are you sure the Black Ice has 3/8" fittings you said that they hose "sorta" fits over it. That could be 3/8" hose stretching over a 1/2" fitting... You should try unscrewing the barbs on the pump and going to home depot to grab some new ones. Did you get thsi stuff from the same place? __________________ I used to throw hot coffee all over the ass of the horse there, then whip him while he was kickin' at me. Those f***in things are crazy.

10-13-2001, 04:03 PM	#12
the creature Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 108	I ordered everything from the same place (www.www.microplex.no). As I said I asked before I bought it and they only had one type hose. I don't know what the size the hose it, so I mesured it. Black Ice: 0.8cm(0.31496inch) innside, 1cm (0.3937inch) outside Enheim: 0.9cm(0.35433inch) innside, 1.2-1.3cm(0.47243-0.51181inch) outside Hose: 0.6cm(0.23621 inch) innside, 1cm (0.3937inch) outside From this numbers I belive: Hose 3/8 OD, the BI is 3/8 ID and the pump is 1/2 OD, BUT it seems very strange (double checked it). Is this correct??? [ 10-14-2001: Message edited by: the creature ]

10-13-2001, 04:06 PM	#13
the creature Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 108	I also bought a Swiftech bleed-ventils. (3 valves), wiche has the same size ass the hose.

10-13-2001, 05:20 PM	#14
Kevin Slacking more than your weird uncle Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: San Diego, CA (UCSD) / Los Angeles, CA (home) Posts: 1,605	Oh okay i think i know where you stand now that you mention the swiftech bleed valves. All Swiftech products use 1/4" ID hose. You can ignore the OD values as they do not matter. Because the hose fits, this leads me to believe that you have 1/4" ID hose. The pump u said has 1/2" OD... you should measure its ID. The Black Ice is 3/8" ID. 3/8" ID is standard. What size ID fittings does the waterblock have? If it is a swiftech, they'll be 1/4" ID and if they are any other brand, they will be either 3/8" or 1/2" ID. So here's what we know... We know your hose and bleed valves are 1/4" ID. We know your Black Ice radiator is 3/8" ID. We need to know the ID of your pump barbs and waterblock barbs. Then we can further instruct you here... -Kev __________________ I used to throw hot coffee all over the ass of the horse there, then whip him while he was kickin' at me. Those f***in things are crazy.

10-14-2001, 03:43 AM	#15
the creature Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 108	Thanks Kevin, I have one question more, you said that the hose would fit as long as the ID is the same, but on the BI the ID is 0.315 inch, OD is 0.394 inch and the enheim the ID is 0.354 inch, OD is 0.472 inch on the smalest - 0.512 inch on the largest. That would mean that the hose on the BI is very loosy or it is VERY tight on the pump, or maybe both?? Regarding to the bleeding valves and the hose, I'll just send it back to them.

10-14-2001, 04:06 AM	#16
Kevin Slacking more than your weird uncle Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: San Diego, CA (UCSD) / Los Angeles, CA (home) Posts: 1,605	Hmmm You're gonna want to get the official word on the hose ID. Like check out websites to see. Cuz this decimal stuff is confusing me . Bottom line is that if something is 3/8" ID and has a barb, the barb gets a bit skinnier just so the ID can slip over it. The OD doesn't matter too much. They have thick walled and thin walled hose. The ID stays the same, but the OD changes with the wall thickness. However, the hose is enterchangable, regardless of OD. Do you have any 3/8" ID hose? It would be nice if you did cuz you could then see how everything fits. Bottom line is that you should be fine though... try and go to home depot and get a small bit of 3/8" hose to see how it fits on the pump/blackice... then lmk. -Kevin __________________ I used to throw hot coffee all over the ass of the horse there, then whip him while he was kickin' at me. Those f***in things are crazy.

10-14-2001, 04:29 AM	#17
the creature Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 108	I would have bought 3/8 ID hose for a loong time ago if it havent been weekend, the shops are closed and I'm not into burglery

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