Abyss or Deep?...

MadDogMe · 11-09-2002, 07:41 AM

I'm torn between the two!, I want to get everything inside my case. the Deep(£47) would make it very easy, fitted at the front~bottm sucking air in, with a 120mm~fan blow hole up top to equalise pressure, ect...

The Abyss is twice the size for £19 more(£65), but would have to be mounted above the CPU (move PSU to 5.5bays) and would be drawing in case air unless I had it drawing air in downwards into the case, which is not 100% efficiant

, it would involve two fans for rad and another two for inlets to balance the airflow. noise is a concern with me. I want it as quiet as possible!(7V or potentio').

Do you think the extra cooling capacity is warranted?, for a non TEC rig?. for the hassle of fitting it?. or do you think the Deep is fine?, I can always get another later(when I save!

) and run them parallel/series with an uprated pump(planning on Iwaki 20RZT)...

Another tidbit: according to OCPC's manufature site the Abyss has a pressure drop of 40mb @ 1000~lpm, yet the smaller Deep has 50mb @ 1000~lpm?. I wonder if the revision2 Deep is the same?...

Brad · 11-09-2002, 02:14 PM

for a non peltier setup I don't beleive there is any point to go with the much larger radiator, unless you intend to move to a peltier setup, or you want silent cooling

Blackeagle · 11-09-2002, 02:20 PM

Have you considered putting it on the case floor (Abyss)? When I build my water rig that is what I intend. Drawing air through the floor of the case may require more frequent cleaning of the filter but that filter could be attached with velcro on the outside of the case, won't show much, or at all rigged right.

And as the Abyss has lower flow restriction it would be much better all the way around. Also as you state noise is a concern, the much larger Abyss would allow you to run fans like the Vanted stealths. Never hear them, yet would still be enough to cool your rig. Or you could also try those new alum. framed fans and run them @7v as they are pretty silent to start with also.

8-Ball · 11-09-2002, 03:04 PM

Where are these BIE pressure drop figures?

I'm sorry but I don't see any.

Blackeagle · 11-09-2002, 03:50 PM

Now how did I manage that one? Cause I don't see any myself.

:shrug:

They need to install a redfaced smilly just for me.

Blackeagle · 11-09-2002, 04:01 PM

While I don't have one to give you for free. www.heatercores4u.com Then go to Buick Electra under the GM section and look at 2-223.

Now I'm not sure but I think even the Abyss couldn't beat that one. And it's a whole lot less money. Even with shipping it I think you'd save.

Much as I was first interested in the Abyss or a double sized BIE at one time, this is one that is now high on my possibles list.

There is another one under the imported trucks section that is even more interesting, except it will require a bit of torch work modding the inlet/outlets to work.

g.l.amour · 11-09-2002, 04:51 PM

now u r talking blackeagle..

maddogme, just go to a vauxhall scrapyard, trash some pre '80s vauxhalls (opels) and u will get the much sought after honeycomb wafre design...

mfpmax · 11-09-2002, 05:12 PM

Hmm

2-223 looks like something I need.

BTW, your link has one too many (s) in it

Blackeagle · 11-09-2002, 05:12 PM

What is a honycomb rad? Advantages?

Wayne Harrow · 11-09-2002, 05:42 PM

You cant realy compare the abyss to 2 BIE cause the abyss is alot thicker its very good with tecs keeps the water temp at around 8 degrees above ambient with a 226w @ 15.1 tec and 100w cpu load. But if you arnt using tecs then dont bother.

MadDogMe · 11-10-2002, 04:20 AM

OCPC Manufacturers site This is the site I got the figures off.

The Abyss wont go on my floor, PCI cards (sound) get in the way. dont forget ir 30CM long, and 10CM high by the time you got the fans on. then you need clearance for airflow...

Blackeagle · 11-10-2002, 09:49 PM

Yeah was afraid that might be a problem, but didn't know what case you have.

Have you looked at that heater core site? Many sizes and you could have it chromed for eye candy if you'd like. That is what I'm thinking of doing, havn't got a price yet on the chroming though.

Look at this one on the heater core site. Go to Audi and then look up 2-541. Now picture this : Cut off the inlet/outlets so they don't curl around so darn far. Then drill large hole in the other tank & solder in a 5/8" ID barb. Now run it this way, Pump to dual inlets, then outlet to MB. This should reduce the restriction of the rad a bit with out any loss of performance as while the water is only going one way it's full width of the rad. Same resulting time in rad tubes without the need of the internal 180 U turn involved. Also doesn't resistence drop as you reduce velocity through tubing? If so this may be a whole lot lower for total resistence of the rad.

Thoughts?

Jessfm · 11-11-2002, 08:27 PM

TBH , if your not TEC cooling, an Abyss is not realy needed.
A deep with a decent fan/mounting will be ample

gmat · 11-12-2002, 04:57 AM

+ no TEC
+ silence wanted
-------------
= the Deep

MadDogMe · 11-12-2002, 05:06 AM

I got my bro~inlaw to order a Deep for me, along with some (13mm ID) silicone tube, couple of 120mm fans, some 5/8~14mm Y's and barbs for later, and lastly some AS3 to replace the stuff that fell off my shelf into the waste paper basket (along with my Maze3 mounting kit!) without me noticing (until three weeks later!

)...

Should have my rig all in~case soon

, then it's just the GPU&NB blocks to do...

mrbingley · 11-12-2002, 06:29 AM

You've talked me into buying a "Deep" rad.

Cheers
Chris.

MadDogMe · 11-12-2002, 08:35 AM

Get the 14mm fittings/barbs when you order it!!

...

mrbingley · 11-12-2002, 08:58 AM

Should have told me 5 mins ago, ordered it with 3/8ths 10mm.

Cheers
Chris.

MadDogMe · 11-12-2002, 09:25 AM

You can order them seperately from 'Fittings'

, £2.35 each...

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11-09-2002, 07:41 AM	#1
MadDogMe Thermophile Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just shut up ;) ... Posts: 1,068	Abyss or Deep?... I'm torn between the two!, I want to get everything inside my case. the Deep(£47) would make it very easy, fitted at the front~bottm sucking air in, with a 120mm~fan blow hole up top to equalise pressure, ect... The Abyss is twice the size for £19 more(£65), but would have to be mounted above the CPU (move PSU to 5.5bays) and would be drawing in case air unless I had it drawing air in downwards into the case, which is not 100% efficiant , it would involve two fans for rad and another two for inlets to balance the airflow. noise is a concern with me. I want it as quiet as possible!(7V or potentio'). Do you think the extra cooling capacity is warranted?, for a non TEC rig?. for the hassle of fitting it?. or do you think the Deep is fine?, I can always get another later(when I save! ) and run them parallel/series with an uprated pump(planning on Iwaki 20RZT)... Another tidbit: according to OCPC's manufature site the Abyss has a pressure drop of 40mb @ 1000~lpm, yet the smaller Deep has 50mb @ 1000~lpm?. I wonder if the revision2 Deep is the same?... Last edited by MadDogMe; 11-09-2002 at 07:46 AM.

11-09-2002, 02:14 PM	#2
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	for a non peltier setup I don't beleive there is any point to go with the much larger radiator, unless you intend to move to a peltier setup, or you want silent cooling __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

11-09-2002, 02:20 PM	#3
Blackeagle Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: U.S.A = Michigan Posts: 1,243	Have you considered putting it on the case floor (Abyss)? When I build my water rig that is what I intend. Drawing air through the floor of the case may require more frequent cleaning of the filter but that filter could be attached with velcro on the outside of the case, won't show much, or at all rigged right. And as the Abyss has lower flow restriction it would be much better all the way around. Also as you state noise is a concern, the much larger Abyss would allow you to run fans like the Vanted stealths. Never hear them, yet would still be enough to cool your rig. Or you could also try those new alum. framed fans and run them @7v as they are pretty silent to start with also. Last edited by Blackeagle; 11-09-2002 at 03:52 PM.

11-09-2002, 05:12 PM	#8
mfpmax Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Rockledge,FL,US Posts: 731	Hmm 2-223 looks like something I need. BTW, your link has one too many (s) in it __________________ My old and retired watercooling setup. Watercooled K6-2 450 at 600 Also Retired - Watercooling an XP1800@1782MHz

11-09-2002, 03:04 PM	#4
8-Ball Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Oxford University, UK Posts: 452	Where are these BIE pressure drop figures? I'm sorry but I don't see any.

11-09-2002, 03:50 PM	#5
Blackeagle Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: U.S.A = Michigan Posts: 1,243	Now how did I manage that one? Cause I don't see any myself. :shrug: They need to install a redfaced smilly just for me.

11-09-2002, 04:01 PM	#6
Blackeagle Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: U.S.A = Michigan Posts: 1,243	While I don't have one to give you for free. www.heatercores4u.com Then go to Buick Electra under the GM section and look at 2-223. Now I'm not sure but I think even the Abyss couldn't beat that one. And it's a whole lot less money. Even with shipping it I think you'd save. Much as I was first interested in the Abyss or a double sized BIE at one time, this is one that is now high on my possibles list. There is another one under the imported trucks section that is even more interesting, except it will require a bit of torch work modding the inlet/outlets to work.

11-09-2002, 04:51 PM	#7
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	now u r talking blackeagle.. maddogme, just go to a vauxhall scrapyard, trash some pre '80s vauxhalls (opels) and u will get the much sought after honeycomb wafre design...

11-09-2002, 05:42 PM	#10
Wayne Harrow Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: UK, Dagenham Posts: 42	You cant realy compare the abyss to 2 BIE cause the abyss is alot thicker its very good with tecs keeps the water temp at around 8 degrees above ambient with a 226w @ 15.1 tec and 100w cpu load. But if you arnt using tecs then dont bother. __________________ 226w Tec AthlonXP 1600+ @ 1950Mhz Abit KD7 Crucial 2100 DDR Radeon 8500

11-10-2002, 04:20 AM	#11
MadDogMe Thermophile Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just shut up ;) ... Posts: 1,068	OCPC Manufacturers site This is the site I got the figures off. The Abyss wont go on my floor, PCI cards (sound) get in the way. dont forget ir 30CM long, and 10CM high by the time you got the fans on. then you need clearance for airflow...

11-10-2002, 09:49 PM	#12
Blackeagle Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: U.S.A = Michigan Posts: 1,243	Yeah was afraid that might be a problem, but didn't know what case you have. Have you looked at that heater core site? Many sizes and you could have it chromed for eye candy if you'd like. That is what I'm thinking of doing, havn't got a price yet on the chroming though. Look at this one on the heater core site. Go to Audi and then look up 2-541. Now picture this : Cut off the inlet/outlets so they don't curl around so darn far. Then drill large hole in the other tank & solder in a 5/8" ID barb. Now run it this way, Pump to dual inlets, then outlet to MB. This should reduce the restriction of the rad a bit with out any loss of performance as while the water is only going one way it's full width of the rad. Same resulting time in rad tubes without the need of the internal 180 U turn involved. Also doesn't resistence drop as you reduce velocity through tubing? If so this may be a whole lot lower for total resistence of the rad. Thoughts?

11-11-2002, 08:27 PM	#13
Jessfm Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 110	TBH , if your not TEC cooling, an Abyss is not realy needed. A deep with a decent fan/mounting will be ample

11-12-2002, 04:57 AM	#14
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	+ no TEC + silence wanted ------------- = the Deep

11-12-2002, 05:06 AM	#15
MadDogMe Thermophile Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just shut up ;) ... Posts: 1,068	I got my bro~inlaw to order a Deep for me, along with some (13mm ID) silicone tube, couple of 120mm fans, some 5/8~14mm Y's and barbs for later, and lastly some AS3 to replace the stuff that fell off my shelf into the waste paper basket (along with my Maze3 mounting kit!) without me noticing (until three weeks later! )... Should have my rig all in~case soon , then it's just the GPU&NB blocks to do...

11-12-2002, 06:29 AM	#16
mrbingley Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: West Yorkshire. UK. Posts: 39	You've talked me into buying a "Deep" rad. Cheers Chris. __________________ Epox 8K3A+ Athlon XP 2000+ 256 MB generic RAM GF2 MX twinview Home made water cooling setup

11-12-2002, 08:35 AM	#17
MadDogMe Thermophile Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just shut up ;) ... Posts: 1,068	Get the 14mm fittings/barbs when you order it!! ...

11-12-2002, 08:58 AM	#18
mrbingley Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: West Yorkshire. UK. Posts: 39	Should have told me 5 mins ago, ordered it with 3/8ths 10mm. Cheers Chris. __________________ Epox 8K3A+ Athlon XP 2000+ 256 MB generic RAM GF2 MX twinview Home made water cooling setup

11-12-2002, 09:25 AM	#19
MadDogMe Thermophile Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just shut up ;) ... Posts: 1,068	You can order them seperately from 'Fittings' , £2.35 each...

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