IBM 60gxp smoke

Brad · 09-01-2002, 12:37 AM

well, I can tell you the smoke smells really really bad, and it is throughout my entire house right now.

thankfully I run a raid 5 array with a hot spare drive

PetDMC · 09-01-2002, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad
well, I can tell you the smoke smells really really bad, and it is throughout my entire house right now.

thankfully I run a raid 5 array with a hot spare drive

My IBM deathstar died a few months back also, POS

oh well i got myself a WD JB series HD

Heavy_Equipment · 09-01-2002, 01:22 PM

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Originally posted elsewhere by Brad:
one dead mpx2
and either one dead vp6 or p3 1100.

Getting kinda rough on the equipment aren't you???

Seriously, depending on the nature of the earlier hardware deaths, I'd be taking a close look at that PSU.

Brad · 09-01-2002, 01:57 PM

heavy, the vp6 one was my fault, the mpx2 and 60gxp just randomly went. furthermore all 3 incidents have been on seperate power supplies.

Heavy_Equipment · 09-01-2002, 02:00 PM

I forget, was the 60 GXP one of the "bad" ones?

SonixOS · 09-02-2002, 12:12 PM

no, its the 80GXP and 120GXP

Brad · 09-03-2002, 02:33 AM

nahh, every 7200rpm ide drive after the 34gxp appears to be quite bad. The 75gxp is the worst, followed buy the 120gxp, then the 60gxp, then the 34gxp.

bigben2k · 09-03-2002, 09:24 AM

I thought IBM was going to make a breakthrough in hard drives: they were certainly headed that way. Seems like they never got it quite right, so they sold it all to Hitachi, was it?

Too bad. I'll stick with Seagates for now.

Brad · 09-03-2002, 02:12 PM

I love seagates too, but western digital will be the next hdd I buy

Heavy_Equipment · 09-03-2002, 03:33 PM

I'm partial to Western Digital myself now. I currently own 2, and they can take whatever I throw at them. I don't fool with RAID, or get too concerned with access times either, so I don't know how they rate in that department.

I'm just happy to have reliability.

Cappu · 09-03-2002, 03:41 PM

I killed 3 60GXP... running them in RAID 0 on a ABIT KT7A - RAID

They suck.... IBM suck

Still running two 60GXP's in RAID 0, can't afford anything else right now cause I'm a poor student.

jtroutma · 09-04-2002, 07:29 PM

Hmmm.....

IBM drives seem to be really sucking now......
I have a 60GXP in my server and I have to put a powerdown mode on it after 5 hours just to keep it from dieing..... need a replacement sooon!!!

I dont trust nor like WD anymore.... I have nothing but problems with those drives nowadays.

I guess Maxtor or Seagate are my only options :/

One good thing going for Maxtor though...They bought out Quantum and I LOVE their SCSI line

Just waiting for a 15K though....

Heavy_Equipment · 09-04-2002, 07:32 PM

I've had both a Seagate and a Fujitsu die on me. Last IBM anything I ever owned was a 386.

gogo · 11-07-2002, 11:41 PM

Sorry to bring this one up again but...

when the drive goes what's it sound like?
does it make a 4 count seek noise in repitition?
seek seek (1/8 seek pause) seek seek
pause
seek seek (1/8 seek pause) seek seek

then give you a raead error?
I suppose the reason I ask is obvious. I may have just lost a drive or at least I hope it's only one. Had two in a RAID0.
Glad I finished my backup.

mrmoustache · 11-08-2002, 02:21 AM

i've never had a problem with any ibm drives and they're pretty much all i use.

maybe i'm just lucky but the worst one was a little loud/clicky when i first got it 2 years ago, still is but it runs fine, the other 5-6 ibm drives i've been using have been running pretty much perfect.

running 2 120gxp 80gb drives in raid 0 right now, but i guess i don't really have anything important that i don't have backups of ever.

Dr. Strangelove · 11-08-2002, 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gogo
Sorry to bring this one up again but...

when the drive goes what's it sound like?
does it make a 4 count seek noise in repitition?
seek seek (1/8 seek pause) seek seek
pause
seek seek (1/8 seek pause) seek seek

then give you a raead error?
I suppose the reason I ask is obvious. I may have just lost a drive or at least I hope it's only one. Had two in a RAID0.
Glad I finished my backup.

I'm afraid that sounds like a HD about to die. I know what I'm talking about, just lost two 30Gb IBM disks within the last two months

BUT thank god for 3 year warrranty!! I'm getting two brand new 30Gb disks today for free

Aardil · 11-13-2002, 12:59 AM

Well let me add to the list of NEVER buy IBM drives again.
I build a few PC's and used IBM exclusively over the last couple of years. out of 14 drives 10 have died, all 15 to 40 GB 7200 Rpm.
The one that broke the camels back was the 40 Gig. Single drive PC, Amd 1.5 chip, Abit Kr7 board, 512 Ram.
Standard win 98se OS.
40 Gig died in less than 2 weeks, try explaing to a new customer that the PC you just built, is now dead and I can get a replacement drive in about a month.
can we say I dont need to worry about him being a repeat customer? THANKS IBM

I now use WD or Seagates
Seagates are quieter, and so far very reliable

Aardil

nexxo · 11-17-2002, 11:32 AM

The IBMs in question (75GXP onwards) all have heat problems. This eventually destroys the controller chip on the PCB, although some have also reported structural failure.

WD with 8Mb cache seems the HD of choice nowadays --runs much cooler and is pretty fast; although the latest Seagates are quite cool and very quiet, their performane is not noticeably slower than the WD really.

IBM claims to have solved these issues with their 180GXP: fluid bearing, 8Mb cache, it is supposed to be fast, quiet and cool. We'll just have to see...

Best thing is to consult Storage Review in the meantime.

Brad · 11-17-2002, 11:49 AM

and storage review tells me that the 2000jb is a much better drive than the 180gxp, the 2000jb wins in just about all of the tests, and when it loses, it's by a trivial amount.

the 120gxp had a strong side in server orientated benchmarks, while the 1200jb was perhaps suited to single user situations. The 180gxp loses any advantage in server stuff, yet it doesn't show any advantage in single user use over the 2000jb.

pHaestus · 11-17-2002, 01:16 PM

Only HDDs I have ever had die have been 75GXPs. Other 20gb Maxtors much older than the IBMs are still around in 24/7 usage. For that matter, so older 8gb and even 2.5gb drives are still kicking in PCs I have given to relatives. I have a 120gb 8mb cache WD now; nice drive but a bit noisy.

09-01-2002, 12:37 AM	#1
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	IBM 60gxp smoke well, I can tell you the smoke smells really really bad, and it is throughout my entire house right now. thankfully I run a raid 5 array with a hot spare drive __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

09-01-2002, 01:57 PM	#4
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	heavy, the vp6 one was my fault, the mpx2 and 60gxp just randomly went. furthermore all 3 incidents have been on seperate power supplies. __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

09-02-2002, 12:12 PM	#6
SonixOS Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 282	no, its the 80GXP and 120GXP __________________ -sonix- ======================= Antec SX830 Abit KR7A-133 MSI Geforce3 Ti200 VT128 TV-IN and TV-OUT Sound Blaster Audigy Linksys LNE100 V2.0 Toshiba DVD Drive 40x/16x IBM Deskstar 60GXP 60gig Watercooled http://www.sonixnet.tk =======================

09-03-2002, 02:33 AM	#7
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	nahh, every 7200rpm ide drive after the 34gxp appears to be quite bad. The 75gxp is the worst, followed buy the 120gxp, then the 60gxp, then the 34gxp. __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

09-03-2002, 09:24 AM	#8
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	I thought IBM was going to make a breakthrough in hard drives: they were certainly headed that way. Seems like they never got it quite right, so they sold it all to Hitachi, was it? Too bad. I'll stick with Seagates for now. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

09-01-2002, 02:00 PM	#5
Heavy_Equipment Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Newmarket, Ontario, Canada Posts: 282	I forget, was the 60 GXP one of the "bad" ones?

09-03-2002, 02:12 PM	#9
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	I love seagates too, but western digital will be the next hdd I buy __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

09-03-2002, 03:33 PM	#10
Heavy_Equipment Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Newmarket, Ontario, Canada Posts: 282	I'm partial to Western Digital myself now. I currently own 2, and they can take whatever I throw at them. I don't fool with RAID, or get too concerned with access times either, so I don't know how they rate in that department. I'm just happy to have reliability.

09-03-2002, 03:41 PM	#11
Cappu Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 30	I killed 3 60GXP... running them in RAID 0 on a ABIT KT7A - RAID They suck.... IBM suck Still running two 60GXP's in RAID 0, can't afford anything else right now cause I'm a poor student. __________________ Best regards Cappu "The Spice Extends Life - The Spice Expands Consciousness - The Spice Is Vital To Spacetravel" www.kabu.dk

09-04-2002, 07:29 PM	#12
jtroutma Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SLO, CA Posts: 837	Hmmm..... IBM drives seem to be really sucking now...... I have a 60GXP in my server and I have to put a powerdown mode on it after 5 hours just to keep it from dieing..... need a replacement sooon!!! I dont trust nor like WD anymore.... I have nothing but problems with those drives nowadays. I guess Maxtor or Seagate are my only options :/ One good thing going for Maxtor though...They bought out Quantum and I LOVE their SCSI line Just waiting for a 15K though.... __________________ Athlon64 X2 4200+ @ 2.5Ghz (250FSB x 10) OCZ VX 1GB 4000 @ 250FSB (6-2-2-2 timmings) DFI LANParty nForce4 Ultra-D SCSI Raid 5 x (3) Cheetah 15K HDDs LSI Express 500 (128MB cache) OCZ PowerStream 520W PSU ATI X850XT PE (Stock) DTEK WhiteWater + DTEK Custom Radiator Eheim 1250

09-04-2002, 07:32 PM	#13
Heavy_Equipment Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Newmarket, Ontario, Canada Posts: 282	I've had both a Seagate and a Fujitsu die on me. Last IBM anything I ever owned was a 386.

11-07-2002, 11:41 PM	#14
gogo Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: AK Posts: 246	Sorry to bring this one up again but... when the drive goes what's it sound like? does it make a 4 count seek noise in repitition? seek seek (1/8 seek pause) seek seek pause seek seek (1/8 seek pause) seek seek then give you a raead error? I suppose the reason I ask is obvious. I may have just lost a drive or at least I hope it's only one. Had two in a RAID0. Glad I finished my backup. __________________ Now, with Retsyn®

11-08-2002, 02:21 AM	#15
mrmoustache Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: columbus, ohio Posts: 44	i've never had a problem with any ibm drives and they're pretty much all i use. maybe i'm just lucky but the worst one was a little loud/clicky when i first got it 2 years ago, still is but it runs fine, the other 5-6 ibm drives i've been using have been running pretty much perfect. running 2 120gxp 80gb drives in raid 0 right now, but i guess i don't really have anything important that i don't have backups of ever.

11-13-2002, 12:59 AM	#17
Aardil Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 174	Well let me add to the list of NEVER buy IBM drives again. I build a few PC's and used IBM exclusively over the last couple of years. out of 14 drives 10 have died, all 15 to 40 GB 7200 Rpm. The one that broke the camels back was the 40 Gig. Single drive PC, Amd 1.5 chip, Abit Kr7 board, 512 Ram. Standard win 98se OS. 40 Gig died in less than 2 weeks, try explaing to a new customer that the PC you just built, is now dead and I can get a replacement drive in about a month. can we say I dont need to worry about him being a repeat customer? THANKS IBM I now use WD or Seagates Seagates are quieter, and so far very reliable Aardil

11-17-2002, 11:32 AM	#18
nexxo Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brimingham, UK Posts: 385	The IBMs in question (75GXP onwards) all have heat problems. This eventually destroys the controller chip on the PCB, although some have also reported structural failure. WD with 8Mb cache seems the HD of choice nowadays --runs much cooler and is pretty fast; although the latest Seagates are quite cool and very quiet, their performane is not noticeably slower than the WD really. IBM claims to have solved these issues with their 180GXP: fluid bearing, 8Mb cache, it is supposed to be fast, quiet and cool. We'll just have to see... Best thing is to consult Storage Review in the meantime. __________________ "There is a thin line between magic and madness"

11-17-2002, 11:49 AM	#19
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	and storage review tells me that the 2000jb is a much better drive than the 180gxp, the 2000jb wins in just about all of the tests, and when it loses, it's by a trivial amount. the 120gxp had a strong side in server orientated benchmarks, while the 1200jb was perhaps suited to single user situations. The 180gxp loses any advantage in server stuff, yet it doesn't show any advantage in single user use over the 2000jb. __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

11-17-2002, 01:16 PM	#20
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	Only HDDs I have ever had die have been 75GXPs. Other 20gb Maxtors much older than the IBMs are still around in 24/7 usage. For that matter, so older 8gb and even 2.5gb drives are still kicking in PCs I have given to relatives. I have a 120gb 8mb cache WD now; nice drive but a bit noisy.

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