According to Forbes, AMD doesn't want to compete for high-performance CPUs

sunblade · 11-24-2002, 12:59 AM

http://www.forbes.com/newswire/2002/...rtr799607.html

Saw this on slashdot. It seems that AMD doesn't want to play the MHz game. This seems to coincide with their de-emphasis of Hammer. Of course, most people don't need 2GHz+ machines. Still, hopefully AMD will stay at least a little competitive.

bigben2k · 11-24-2002, 08:40 AM

Nah, this is just another ploy for chip manufacturers to press software makers to make more demanding software... Without it, there is no need for more powerful computing. It's all a big game!

Let's face it, most people that have a home computer only use it to surf the net, hence the "surfstation" products from a couple of years back (which all flopped because people weren't ready to embrace a surfstation).

Surfstations will make a comeback, and are going to take up a share of the PC market.

There's still something that people do want: portability. People want to be able to carry a computer in their pocket (or briefcase), and still be able to do everything that they've been doing for the past 30 years.

Right now, there's a wide software gap (between processing power and softwares), and with Linux nipping at MS's heels, we're going to go through a transition in OS that'll probably last 10 years. Once the dust settles, then we'll have personal computing power available in as many brands as there are toasters.

Capitalism at its best.

ksw · 11-24-2002, 10:57 AM

true bigben, but i hope we never have to see that OS chrisies of late 80's early 90's... god even I cant remeber all those ****ingfivethosuandOSes that were competing, about the same useless shit. then came windwos and gave the pc a "standard" for OS:s.
today, who the **** has an machine running Minix or other small brand OSes other than just 4 fun?

gmat · 11-25-2002, 06:20 AM

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Originally posted by ksw
true bigben, but i hope we never have to see that OS chrisies of late 80's early 90's... god even I cant remeber all those ****ingfivethosuandOSes that were competing, about the same useless shit. then came windwos and gave the pc a "standard" for OS:s.
today, who the **** has an machine running Minix or other small brand OSes other than just 4 fun?

Oh please. Do not put 'standard' and 'microsoft' (or 'windows') in the same sentence. Everyone knows that micro$oft sh*ts on standards to fuel their 'embrace and extend' (aka 'Borg') strategy. Unices on the other hand, always had to stick to standards because of their variety...
And if IBM, Sun, HP, and other mainframe / workstation manufacturers have their own unix variant, that's to provide the end user or admin the best OS for their hardware.
Besides there are only 2 real variants of unix, SystemV and BSD, of which the others are offsprings.
BB2K i'm not sure we'll really see an OS shift. If M$ plays well, and they're able to (in marketing terms), they'll hold their positions for a long long time. Today we hear a lot of propaganda like "Windows is for the desktop, while Linux is for servers"... it will be written in ppl's subconscience. Do not underestimate Mr Gates and his friends.

As for AMD, they're pulling just any marketing trick to prepare ppl for lower MHz on 64bit CPUs. Indeed a 1GHz 64bit CPU kicks some ass, see today's RISC CPUs... But the mass market aint ready to 'get back in time' as they'll have the feeling of.

bigben2k · 11-25-2002, 08:02 AM

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Originally posted by gmat
BB2K i'm not sure we'll really see an OS shift. If M$ plays well, and they're able to (in marketing terms), they'll hold their positions for a long long time. ... Do not underestimate Mr Gates and his friends.

I believe that there will be a shift, just like any other product sold, competition builds.

MS has been fighting extremely hard to keep their market share, and their monopoly (anyone would). The security issues surrounding all MS products may turn out to be their demise. Anyone remember Novell? They should be on top of MS, for servers, but they're not. Why?

MS will have to pay much closer attention to the user community, in order to maintain their monopoly. Right now, it looks like MS is suffering from "big company" syndrome: too big to listen, too slow to move.

This is where small companies (Red Hat) come in, at lightning speed and just sweep up a huge marketshare.

ksw · 11-25-2002, 11:04 AM

well. after all. i agree on the part abotu microshit, and that. but i do think that it set a standard, for being backwards compitable (atleast a bit) and easy graphical interface.

gmat · 11-25-2002, 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by ksw
well. after all. i agree on the part abotu microshit, and that. but i do think that it set a standard, for being backwards compitable (atleast a bit) and easy graphical interface.

For the GUI, this is the most obvious mistake. It's Apple who 'set' the standard previously invented by Xerox. During the 80's the Mac was the reference in GUI. M$ stole just every bit out of MacOS.
In the mean time XWindows appeared and top-of-the-line GUIs popped up on workstations (SGI, Sun etc)
Backwards compatible. Sadly M$ are yet the worst example of backwards compatibility. I know of many 80's unix programs that run fine on today's system. I know very few MS DOS programs that run on WinXP. DIR, maybe..

Let's be realistic. M$ only invented 1 thing. The alchemist formula that transforms sh*t into gold.

ksw · 11-25-2002, 02:05 PM

hey hey. im not all that into computer history.... i was born 86 ffs

gmat · 11-25-2002, 04:01 PM

All of sudden you make me feel old. Bah.

ksw · 11-26-2002, 06:44 AM

why is it bad to be old?

11-24-2002, 12:59 AM	#1
sunblade Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: USA Posts: 156	According to Forbes, AMD doesn't want to compete for high-performance CPUs http://www.forbes.com/newswire/2002/...rtr799607.html Saw this on slashdot. It seems that AMD doesn't want to play the MHz game. This seems to coincide with their de-emphasis of Hammer. Of course, most people don't need 2GHz+ machines. Still, hopefully AMD will stay at least a little competitive.

11-24-2002, 08:40 AM	#2
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Nah, this is just another ploy for chip manufacturers to press software makers to make more demanding software... Without it, there is no need for more powerful computing. It's all a big game! Let's face it, most people that have a home computer only use it to surf the net, hence the "surfstation" products from a couple of years back (which all flopped because people weren't ready to embrace a surfstation). Surfstations will make a comeback, and are going to take up a share of the PC market. There's still something that people do want: portability. People want to be able to carry a computer in their pocket (or briefcase), and still be able to do everything that they've been doing for the past 30 years. Right now, there's a wide software gap (between processing power and softwares), and with Linux nipping at MS's heels, we're going to go through a transition in OS that'll probably last 10 years. Once the dust settles, then we'll have personal computing power available in as many brands as there are toasters. Capitalism at its best. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

11-24-2002, 10:57 AM	#3
ksw Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: SWEDEN(cold...) Posts: 195	true bigben, but i hope we never have to see that OS chrisies of late 80's early 90's... god even I cant remeber all those **ingfivethosuandOSes that were competing, about the same useless shit. then came windwos and gave the pc a "standard" for OS:s. today, who the ** has an machine running Minix or other small brand OSes other than just 4 fun? __________________ www.webraced.com <- addicted as hell /me is!

11-25-2002, 11:04 AM	#6
ksw Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: SWEDEN(cold...) Posts: 195	well. after all. i agree on the part abotu microshit, and that. but i do think that it set a standard, for being backwards compitable (atleast a bit) and easy graphical interface. __________________ www.webraced.com <- addicted as hell /me is!

11-25-2002, 02:05 PM	#8
ksw Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: SWEDEN(cold...) Posts: 195	hey hey. im not all that into computer history.... i was born 86 ffs __________________ www.webraced.com <- addicted as hell /me is!

11-25-2002, 04:01 PM	#9
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	All of sudden you make me feel old. Bah.

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