Check this guy out...

[BrianW]

http://www.directron.com/wc101.html

Pretty little dont u think? It has a fan on the waterblock... maybe the water system doesnt cool it down enough? hAHAH


Could be cool for a north bridge though.....

Brian W

[Pritorian]

Is this a strange way of making watercooling redundant?
hehehehe....

"Compatibility: Intel Socket 478 P 4 up to 3.2GHz"!

And i would like to see the temps running a P43.2 Ghz on this thing.... hehehe, under 55c load and i would be impressed...


-P-

[Axle]

I remember reading a review of this somewhere and the reviewer filled it up (on a desk), and tipped it 2 inches and the whole thing leaked. Whadda POS!

[Brad]

that fan looks like it is going to blow straight into the top of the case, or the adjacent cd drive. The price is amazing for such a piece of shit

[jaydee]

Notes: (1) All items purchased at directron.com are to be used at your own risk. When used properly, all directron.com products are absolutely safe. Damage to computer components and possible bodily harm can occur if a product is used improperly. Directron.com will not be held responsible for said damage. (2) No returns on any watercooling products.

Red = We just sell you the shit, we don't care if it works.
Green = Even if you didn't break it we will still blame it on you and not give a refund or except a return.
Blue = If your system gets killed because of the shit we sell you tough luck, but we will be glad to sell you new stuff.
Purple = See blue, red, and green.

[joemac]

I find it amusing how fast folks jump to the piece of shit bandwagon. Rather than just saying something about a product like what crap it is, why not also make suggestion on how to make it better or why the concept may or may not work?

[bigben2k]

Here's another reseller that carries it (cheaper too, but OOS).

Here are the original specs.

I can't tell much about the waterbloch/HSF, but if it can run without any water, then it's "assisted", otherwise, this kit has a dual cooling solution (rad and CPU fan).

There seems to be enough surface area to cool a non-OC CPU to a decent level, but the problem is that the airflow doesn't appear to be sufficient; the details are sketchy.

A link to that review might be useful, but without it, I'd stay away.

[jaydee]

Originally posted by joemac
I find it amusing how fast folks jump to the piece of shit bandwagon. Rather than just saying something about a product like what crap it is, why not also make suggestion on how to make it better or why the concept may or may not work?

Why make suggestions on making SOME OTHER COMPANIES CRAP better? That is their responsibility. I have no intrest in improving a product for someone that is going to use the suggestions to make a profit from while I get jack. WTF???:shrug:

[joemac]

Originally posted by jaydee116
Why make suggestions on making SOME OTHER COMPANIES CRAP better? That is their responsibility. I have no intrest in improving a product for someone that is going to use the suggestions to make a profit from while I get jack. WTF???

I agree on the money part, but it makes for a better discussion than just saying something is shit. Second there is nothing wrong with improving on a system that someone else came up with. Remember BASF we didn’t invent -------- we made it better..

[winewood]

The only addition to this discussion. I think anyone can say something is bad. Without explinations or what could be improved, then the arguement cant be backed up as to the reasoning.
Some people cant back them up because the people talking about them have never tested or investigated the item. This is irresponsible. A good basis for judgement will eliminate these questions, and allow the reader to see why. You don't have to improve their product, just state the basis for your decision.

the problem is that the airflow doesn't appear to be sufficient; the details are sketchy.

I agree that the airflow seems to be hampered. How can the heat be transferred to the air? Only the obsessed will have a case that is cool enough inside for this transfer to take place. The average joe wont have case that will allow for circulation inside the case as it appears to require. I would suggest a side mount or open front grill to the outside for heat transfer.

[jaydee]

Yeah my bad. I forget things are not as blantantly obvious to others as they are me. Also like to point out my main point in my original post was against Directrons disclaimer and not necasarily at this product.

I do not see any reason what-so-ever to attemp to make this thing better. For one I do not see anything that could possible make it better and still maintain its compactability. More heat dispersion requires larger area of cooling. In other words where is the big RAD going to fit? OR you can add super fast fans to what is there and deal with the noise and for what a quiter $20 air cooler can do performance wise???

:shrug: Maybe I need to take a break form water cooling discussions all together. Seems all the information in these forums is doing nothing for anyone if they cannot see why stuff like this is nothing more than a gimick to sell to uninformed people.

[winewood]

Ive noticed the same thing myself Jaydee116. I'm glad you took the comment the way it was meant, and didn't take offense.

Why aren't the block companies posting c/w's on their blocks? Why don't these systems show testing, or have them tested for efficiencies. I like switftech and dangerden marketing. But frankly, I can't say that the newer models will be any better or I think they are moving forward because I haven't seen them make any claims.

This system that is being reviewed... it seems that they are wanting to sell something, but make NO promises to performance. Its like, look at my packaging, dont ask about what it can do. I would rather have a chunk of rock that performed at X level of performance, than pretty polished casing that promised and can deliver less.

The ONLY reason I come here to this board, is because I think I will get more information than I will get reading marketing crap. Thats why I asked earlier to state why it is bad, than just making the final analysis. So JD.. stay, just be more verbose my friend.

[bigben2k]

Glad you're here to remind us to "fly straight", Winewood!

My other concern is with the water pump; given that a CD-ROM is approximately 42mm high, the pump probably doesn't deliver anything over one gpm. By itself, that's bad, because most blocks perform poorly in the sub 1/2 or 1/4 gpm flow range, but again, I'm assuming that the block is actually a waterblock, not a water assisted HSF.

The manufacturer didn't go through the trouble of presenting specs, but worse of all, didn't even bother to present the theory. If I had been able to download the user manual, I might have had a better idea of what this thing is!

So until more details emerge, I recommend to stay away. I think everyone whose labelled it as crap, are thinking along the same lines.

[hara]

Hey JoeMac, why do you like all these pieces of shit? If a company sells these type of things, and at an exceptional price, they deserve to burn and there is no doubt about that. They should've researched. Why do you have that block in your avatar? Didn't you know that that block is another piece of shit?

[winewood]

What is the block in his avatar? What is its name hara? Have you tested it?

I think this is exactly what kind of "crap calling" I was referring to. Hara, please tell me, what is the C/W of that block?

[Brad]

The only way you could probably make it better would be to use a large radiator, about the size of a standard cd rom drive, and mount the pump elsewhere in the case, and use a better waterblock

[hara]

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MzI5

Although that block is a modification to the reviewed block.

Crap calling profitable companies is here to stay. Live with it.

[Rayman2k2]

even if it did work, i doubt you would see any difference in temps then with a normal heatsink

[winewood]

I think Rayman has a good point. The heatsink on the bay system wouldn't seem to make much difference at all, if the radiator and water system dont seem to effectively transfer the heat to the outside of the case.

hara: Even though it is discouraging for people to make unbased shot in the dark conjecture, Im glad your on the board to make things interesting. Please tell me, are these the same products or a mod? How do you know? Did you glean the internal workings of joemac's block and revisions from his pic? If so, I have a leak in my house that I need you to help me identify the source. Perhaps you can link me to a page on [H] that has a picture of a roof.

[joemac]

Didn't you know that that block is another piece of shit?

Hold everything when did this become a thread about my avatar? The blue block in my avatar has not been offered for sale anywhere nor has the internal working been released to the public (At least not by me). This again shows what I tried to say about calling something crap without any merit. I agree my block may be a big ugly blue thing to some, but it works. I tried to not to make judgment without number from a reliable source it is sad to see that some here do not do same.

[BillA]

EDIT: comment deleted
way off-base, I had not gone to the Directron page
- thought all this was about a completely different pos
sorry
no knowledge of this one at all

JD
I would take exception to your rant against Directron
no reseller warranties a product wrt its 'fittness for service'
this is the warranty of merchantibility, and is borne by the manufacturer

you presume expertise where perhaps none exists,
and volume discounters arn't much good at hand-holding;
if people express an interest, they stock it
if problems and/or low interest, it goes on their discount table
-> really cheap, and AS IS

be reasonable (from me ?, must be a joke that)
can't/won't be lowest price AND best service

[jaydee]

Originally posted by unregistered


JD
I would take exception to your rant against Directron
no reseller warranties a product wrt its 'fittness for service'
this is the warranty of merchantibility, and is borne by the manufacturer

you presume expertise where perhaps none exists,
and volume discounters arn't much good at hand-holding;
if people express an interest, they stock it
if problems and/or low interest, it goes on their discount table
-> really cheap, and AS IS

be reasonable (from me ?, must be a joke that)
can't/won't be lowest price AND best service

As a manager of a business I must say I have a little expertise. This disclaimer is BS. If the company cannot stand behind the product they shouldn't be selling it. Nothing I sell is deemed AS IS unless it is USED. I take returns on anything I sell and also garantee it to work even if it isn't one of the things we make ourselfs because we only sell stuff we can trust to work. It is just pure greed to sell stuff even if it is garbage just to make a profit and put a BS disclaimer like that on so they don't get hosed on returns because it is garbabge.

Your comments are rather disapointing. I would expect someone like yourself to have higher standards for business relations. :shrug:

[BillA]

not sure my standards are so much the question as my expectations

am most disenchanted with most resellers (not of WCing kit, in general)
sure, good vendors will take it back (unused, original packing, etc)
but the 'issue' to me is selling 'junk' in the first place

that you do not is to your credit, but others do
low price, etc

[jaydee]

Originally posted by unregistered
not sure my standards are so much the question as my expectations

am most disenchanted with most resellers (not of WCing kit, in general)
sure, good vendors will take it back (unused, original packing, etc)
but the 'issue' to me is selling 'junk' in the first place

that you do not is to your credit, but others do
low price, etc

I think I understand what your saying. IMO though price is irrelevant. We can sell a much cheaper version of some of our products but we choose not to simply because it is primarily a brick and morter store in a small city where repeat customers is what keep us in business since 1883 and we do our best to satisfy them. On-line vendors have the luxury of not needing to worry as much about repeat customers as they gain a lot more new customers daily than they loose. So they can get away with such things.

I just think it is pretty rediculous to have to put up a disclaimer like that for products you are selling. If it comes to that on the business I work for I will glady move on. But the owner of this company is very well set (in other words pretty rich) by owning multiple business with these higher standards and they are more than happy with me so I doubt i am going anywhere else any time soon.

It's unfortuneate that most people go for the cheap version over a quality version. Does no one any good in the long run. Quality manufactures suffer, qulaity resellers suffer, and we suffer. Only one that makes out is the cheap skate manufactuers/resellers that have no problem taking advantage of ingnorant (and i mean that as not knowing) people. It is the people fault for buying such garbage, but then again it is worst making such stuff knowing it is subpar and sales are going to be based off ignorant buyers. IMO this product IS one of these items and offers no such benifit over a $20 HSF. It is a gimick targeted at ignorant people much like a few of the others things that have been posted in this news section lately.

My comments may be blunt and not well explained, but I stand my them. Anyone feel free to buy this thing and prove it is worthy of $130.....

[BillA]

you saw they offer a discount for dualies
lol