Why doesn't TC-4 have a copper top? - Page 4

MadDogMe · 03-23-2003, 03:35 AM

I love the way Badams is polite (!) to a rant and opens right up on an 'vanilla' mistake. Where would we be without you eh BillA?, the [H]2o dark ages

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Then again he ignored the 'tap water' mistook?...

I'd like to know what 'tap water' has to do with galvanic corrosion as well?, I though the only 'bad' from using tap water was mineral deposits?...

PS, sorry Rick, some of these people actualy DO know what they're talking about

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BrianW · 03-23-2003, 04:03 PM

The higher salinity of teh water increasesd the electrical conduction? I think thats right.

Brian W

jaydee · 03-23-2003, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by RickCain
My god... I think Fixitt is right. Who gives a rats ass what the block is gonna look like in two years. IF your are really into water cooling you will upgrade at least twice a year and wouldn't really care about anything other than how much further you can push your rig with the new configuration. IF you know what your doing you will not use tap water thus this entire thread is useless. The list goes no....

Lets have more constructive conversations instead of everyone rushing to their encyclopedia to act like they know what they are talking about only to over analyze everything. This isn't rocket science guys, it's plain old water cooling. :shrug:
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I sounded this stupid once. I am sure unregistered remembers. If you Buy a $90 White Water today do you really think you will need to buy another in 6months? Nothing going to beat this block for a long time and if it does it will only be 1C or maybe 2 if they are lucky. Why bother buy another one? The White Water should last you several years. And the way it was built will make that possible. No half assing in it.

Fixittt · 03-23-2003, 08:44 PM

Boy, I think I was taken out of context to some dergee.

My rant, was supose to show, that when taken into consideration that aluminum and copper are used together, and if you take the "KNOWN" precautions, IE. inhibitors. Then running the mixed metal block is really not that big of an issue. Still an issue granted. There has been alot of information churned up in this thread. Some good, some great. And some so off the wall, that it really doenst need to be here, but hey, that is why the forums are here. I still think that there is a middle being missed here. Dont look at a cooling system to be an investment, your computer isnt an investement, nor is your car. They are expenses to get you a certain destanation. How many people run antifreeze in there cars cooling loop?

Now before I get flamed (and Bill, Just SHUT UP...... just jokin my friend)

We would all like for things to work forever, but they dont. that is why it is an expence. You will need to service it in some form or fashion.

(this outta start something good im thinking)
FIX

jaydee · 03-23-2003, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fixittt

We would all like for things to work forever, but they dont. that is why it is an expence. You will need to service it in some form or fashion.

FIX

Would you rather buy a Hyundai or a Honda? (don't bother bringing up I buy USA only, you get my point) It isn't about servicing, it is how often you need to service it and how long it lasts.

Fixittt · 03-23-2003, 10:03 PM

so with a USA car you needent do the preventative maintance, as often as imports? I did not know that. HUMMM......

jaydee · 03-23-2003, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fixittt
so with a USA car you needent do the preventative maintance, as often as imports? I did not know that. HUMMM......

No, just the opposite. There is no such thing as "preventative" maintenance on domestic cars, it is all just maintenance.

Fixittt · 03-23-2003, 10:20 PM

Jay, you crack me up my friend.

Thanks.

Mark Larson · 03-23-2003, 10:37 PM

I think some of us are missing the larger picture here - there's no point in trying to stop debate by saying that it is pointless because we'll be replacing the blocks soon anyway.

What about long-term use? I don't understand this point of view - maybe i wasn't brought up to think everything is expendable, but i think its good that the collective knowledge of the cooling gurus is being applied here rather than in threads asking which is the best waterblock for fifty dollars.

I'm honored that my topic has garnered so many replies, and understand a lot more about the science behind all this than i did before.

Fixittt · 03-23-2003, 10:51 PM

Mark....... your right, what would you say would be long term usage?

I have had the exact same block in my system for almost 2 years now. And its a copper aluminum block. With total success.

and I ran an all aluminum spir@l (Firstone ever made) for a very long time. With simalure results. Hell all that happened to that block was the channels got a little discolored. More from the blue food coloring I put in the coolant then anything else.

the fact is that yes, copper and aluminum excelerate corrosion. But with the right measures taken................. it works. Now does it work just as good as an all copper block...... YES it does. Are the possabilities of corrosion higher then an all copper block. Cant dispute that at all. Its been tested, proven, and is a fact. But if its done right, and like most perfectionists here........ well enough said.

03-23-2003, 04:03 PM	#77
BrianW Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Desert City in California Posts: 631	The higher salinity of teh water increasesd the electrical conduction? I think thats right. Brian W __________________ Water Cooled Inwin Q500 (Dual Rads: Rad1 = DTEK Pro Core \| Rad2 = Blick Ice Estreme, Hydor L30, Dangerden Maze2, Bay Res Typhoon Reservoir, 1/2 " DD Tygon Thick Wall Hose). Flow: Res, Pump, CPU watervlock, Y into both rads, both rads into res independently. Athlon XP 1800+ (@ 1731 - 150mhz fsb.), on a Asus A7N266-c, and a Radeon 9000 *waiting for RMA'd Saphire 9800 ultra from Newegg)

03-23-2003, 08:44 PM	#79
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	Boy, I think I was taken out of context to some dergee. My rant, was supose to show, that when taken into consideration that aluminum and copper are used together, and if you take the "KNOWN" precautions, IE. inhibitors. Then running the mixed metal block is really not that big of an issue. Still an issue granted. There has been alot of information churned up in this thread. Some good, some great. And some so off the wall, that it really doenst need to be here, but hey, that is why the forums are here. I still think that there is a middle being missed here. Dont look at a cooling system to be an investment, your computer isnt an investement, nor is your car. They are expenses to get you a certain destanation. How many people run antifreeze in there cars cooling loop? Now before I get flamed (and Bill, Just SHUT UP...... just jokin my friend) We would all like for things to work forever, but they dont. that is why it is an expence. You will need to service it in some form or fashion. (this outta start something good im thinking) FIX __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-23-2003, 10:03 PM	#81
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	so with a USA car you needent do the preventative maintance, as often as imports? I did not know that. HUMMM...... __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-23-2003, 10:20 PM	#83
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	Jay, you crack me up my friend. Thanks. __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-23-2003, 10:37 PM	#84
Mark Larson Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MN Posts: 67	I think some of us are missing the larger picture here - there's no point in trying to stop debate by saying that it is pointless because we'll be replacing the blocks soon anyway. What about long-term use? I don't understand this point of view - maybe i wasn't brought up to think everything is expendable, but i think its good that the collective knowledge of the cooling gurus is being applied here rather than in threads asking which is the best waterblock for fifty dollars. I'm honored that my topic has garnered so many replies, and understand a lot more about the science behind all this than i did before. __________________ AMD Fanboy.

03-23-2003, 03:35 AM	#76
MadDogMe Thermophile Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just shut up ;) ... Posts: 1,068	I love the way Badams is polite (!) to a rant and opens right up on an 'vanilla' mistake. Where would we be without you eh BillA?, the [H]2o dark ages ... Then again he ignored the 'tap water' mistook?... I'd like to know what 'tap water' has to do with galvanic corrosion as well?, I though the only 'bad' from using tap water was mineral deposits?... PS, sorry Rick, some of these people actualy DO know what they're talking about ...

03-23-2003, 10:51 PM	#85
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	Mark....... your right, what would you say would be long term usage? I have had the exact same block in my system for almost 2 years now. And its a copper aluminum block. With total success. and I ran an all aluminum spir@l (Firstone ever made) for a very long time. With simalure results. Hell all that happened to that block was the channels got a little discolored. More from the blue food coloring I put in the coolant then anything else. the fact is that yes, copper and aluminum excelerate corrosion. But with the right measures taken................. it works. Now does it work just as good as an all copper block...... YES it does. Are the possabilities of corrosion higher then an all copper block. Cant dispute that at all. Its been tested, proven, and is a fact. But if its done right, and like most perfectionists here........ well enough said. __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

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