Linux is a bastard - Page 2

bikr · 03-27-2003, 03:22 PM

i agree with iroc's non text statement.. bsd for life =) If you want to stick with linux , the new mandrake should work fine for you , don't go redhat you'll have more problems then you originated with.. --Josh

mfpmax · 03-27-2003, 07:16 PM

Chuck is bang'n Tux!!!

airspirit · 03-28-2003, 12:28 PM

So far, Mandrake 9.1 runs smooth and is gorgeous ... now I'm going to try to install my shiz ... I'll let you know the results when I'm done bludgeoning myself to death with a stapler.

airspirit · 03-28-2003, 01:46 PM

Okay, I've been using KDE 3.1 and it is wonderful. Mozilla 1.3 comes preinstalled (very nice), and so far I have Crossover Plugin/Office installed, XPde (which I'm prolly not going to use, since KDE 3.1 is nicer to use so far ... except for the wonderful file manager included in XPde) is up and available, and things are starting to look good. I suspect that some of my problems were associated with using Ext2 instead of Ext3 ... I was constantly getting file errors under Ext2. So far, even though I occasionally get errors during installs (directory can't be created, etc), everything is working fine. Also, Mandrake 9.1 detected EVERY piece of hardware I use and autoconfigured it. I would highly recommend this to anyone looking for a desktop OS.

Now I gotta get WineX, Office2000, and War3x running, and I'll be all set.

Yo-DUH_87 · 03-28-2003, 01:58 PM

I think I might try mandrake 9.1, as well as the new redhat 9.0 (when it comes out), just to test the waters.

Besides, my linux machine's hard drive decided to erase all my partitions a few days ago, so I'll be starting fresh

I heard that mandrake knows how to read off of (but not write to) NTFS, have you tried that yet?

bikr · 03-28-2003, 02:29 PM

you can read and write to NTFS in redhat as well , but it's a pain in the ass to setup. --Bikr

airspirit · 03-28-2003, 02:54 PM

I'd do some searching on that on the Mandrake site ... they have an obscene amount of resources there. I do know that it probably will require you to install and configure Samba, among other stuff. I'm working to do the same thing ....

At work, I'm going to attempt to put our main fileserver on Linux one of these days, and it would be helpful to know these things, hehe.

BTW: can XP even read off of a Linux partition? I've not been able to make it happen.

Yo-DUH_87 · 03-28-2003, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by airspirit
I'd do some searching on that on the Mandrake site ... they have an obscene amount of resources there. I do know that it probably will require you to install and configure Samba, among other stuff. I'm working to do the same thing ....

At work, I'm going to attempt to put our main fileserver on Linux one of these days, and it would be helpful to know these things, hehe.

BTW: can XP even read off of a Linux partition? I've not been able to make it happen.

I know 2000 refuses to see linux as a valid partition, so I can only assume that XP would do the same.

bikr · 03-28-2003, 03:01 PM

you need to use ext2fs , the best one i've used is

http://www.ext2fs-anywhere.com/

it's from paragon , you can probably find a copy somewhere. otherwise you may have to buy it , but it works wonderful! --JOsh

bikr · 03-28-2003, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Yo-DUH_87
I know 2000 refuses to see linux as a valid partition, so I can only assume that XP would do the same.

Correct it won't see it without 3rd party software but 100% possible

airspirit · 03-28-2003, 03:27 PM

After the crap I've been through with Ext2, I'll never use it again. The site says they've recently implemented Ext3 support, but I don't see anything that supports that claim. Interesting idea, though, and very worthwhile. Do you know of any products that'll handle Ext3?

bikr · 03-28-2003, 03:38 PM

The newest version of Ext2fs anywhere, can mount both ext2 and ext3 partitions -- josh

phreenet · 03-28-2003, 05:26 PM

Quote:

you can read and write to NTFS in redhat as well , but it's a pain in the ass to setup. --Bikr

The newer verions of Redhat don't support NTFS as a valid mounting platform.

I would just use ext3 or xfs as a file system and not mess with any ext2 stuff.

bikr · 03-28-2003, 05:29 PM

here , thought you might wanna have a gander.. as I said it's a pain in the ass , but it can be done..

http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/redhat.html

gmat · 03-28-2003, 07:08 PM

XFS is the way to go - light years ahead. But you won't read that with from Microsoft systems without some serious 3rd party program... Anyway if that's not a consideration, XFS is currently the most advanced, performant, stable and sturdy file system available for Linux.

airspirit · 03-28-2003, 11:47 PM

Dudes, I've got Mandrake 9.1 installed on my home machine. This is the first distro I've seen that has full support and compatability with the NForce2 platform. Very nice. I have Crossover Office/Plugin installed (along with Office 2000, TTFs, IE [*gasp*], and assorted other junk ... hehe ... I'm a sucker for Word and Excel), Opera, Mozilla, and EVERY package that came with the distro. I've configured every server and set up every service. This distro seems very easy and compatible with everything. I highly recommend it. Unlike the nightmare of Mandrake 9, this is very slick. The best part is that it actually does as it is told, and does what it says its going to do ... fancy that, eh?

mfpmax · 03-29-2003, 04:24 AM

Isn't Mandrake going under?

airspirit · 03-29-2003, 09:59 AM

They did, and are "restructuring" now. They'll be around a while.

mfpmax · 03-30-2003, 03:15 AM

I remember back when the creator used to just work on Enlightenment Window Manager and then he moved to the East Coast of the US working for RedHat.

Those were the days.

airspirit · 03-31-2003, 03:56 PM

9.1 is doing so well that I'm migrating two of the machines at work to it. This will be an interesting experiment.

mfpmax · 03-31-2003, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by airspirit
9.1 is doing so well that I'm migrating two of the machines at work to it. This will be an interesting experiment.

We just switched their Operating System to DeCaf...lets see if they notice the difference.

Can O' Beans · 04-01-2003, 06:14 AM

Heh heh.

Personally, I like Gentoo, a little more hands-on, but takes longer to compile programs though. Slackware & Debian are good as well. RedHat & Especially Mandrake are almost as bloated as windows

FreeBSD 5.0 is running on my server - very nice OS, but due to it being a new release, there are some problems here & there.

airspirit · 04-01-2003, 09:41 AM

Yeah, Mandrake is pretty bloated and I wouldn't EVER dream of running a full install of it for a strong server, but for a common user or for a casual server, it is sooooo easy to use.

bigben2k · 04-01-2003, 10:04 AM

Ya'll are in for a shock! Microsoft found a way to get rid of all its problems, and put itself in a favorable position with Intel:

Microsoft buys Linux!

Yo-DUH_87 · 04-01-2003, 10:13 AM

April 1st, nice try

I read that one already, linked from a Linux support forum.

Reason I was at the Linux support forum, is in attempting to install Mandrake 9.1, it gives a "floppy mount error," and loops back into selecting packages. Weird... I'll try putting a floppy in the system later.

03-27-2003, 03:22 PM	#26
bikr Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Palm Beach Posts: 230	i agree with iroc's non text statement.. bsd for life =) If you want to stick with linux , the new mandrake should work fine for you , don't go redhat you'll have more problems then you originated with.. --Josh __________________ http://www.modasylum.com

03-27-2003, 07:16 PM	#27
mfpmax Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Rockledge,FL,US Posts: 731	Chuck is bang'n Tux!!! __________________ My old and retired watercooling setup. Watercooled K6-2 450 at 600 Also Retired - Watercooling an XP1800@1782MHz

03-28-2003, 12:28 PM	#28
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	So far, Mandrake 9.1 runs smooth and is gorgeous ... now I'm going to try to install my shiz ... I'll let you know the results when I'm done bludgeoning myself to death with a stapler. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

03-28-2003, 01:46 PM	#29
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	Okay, I've been using KDE 3.1 and it is wonderful. Mozilla 1.3 comes preinstalled (very nice), and so far I have Crossover Plugin/Office installed, XPde (which I'm prolly not going to use, since KDE 3.1 is nicer to use so far ... except for the wonderful file manager included in XPde) is up and available, and things are starting to look good. I suspect that some of my problems were associated with using Ext2 instead of Ext3 ... I was constantly getting file errors under Ext2. So far, even though I occasionally get errors during installs (directory can't be created, etc), everything is working fine. Also, Mandrake 9.1 detected EVERY piece of hardware I use and autoconfigured it. I would highly recommend this to anyone looking for a desktop OS. Now I gotta get WineX, Office2000, and War3x running, and I'll be all set. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

03-28-2003, 01:58 PM	#30
Yo-DUH_87 Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 230	I think I might try mandrake 9.1, as well as the new redhat 9.0 (when it comes out), just to test the waters. Besides, my linux machine's hard drive decided to erase all my partitions a few days ago, so I'll be starting fresh I heard that mandrake knows how to read off of (but not write to) NTFS, have you tried that yet? __________________ Signing out... Yo-DUH_87 If it works, fix it until it's broke! Then, after it's broke, add duct tape! Affordable webhosting!

03-28-2003, 02:29 PM	#31
bikr Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Palm Beach Posts: 230	you can read and write to NTFS in redhat as well , but it's a pain in the ass to setup. --Bikr __________________ http://www.modasylum.com

03-28-2003, 02:54 PM	#32
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	I'd do some searching on that on the Mandrake site ... they have an obscene amount of resources there. I do know that it probably will require you to install and configure Samba, among other stuff. I'm working to do the same thing .... At work, I'm going to attempt to put our main fileserver on Linux one of these days, and it would be helpful to know these things, hehe. BTW: can XP even read off of a Linux partition? I've not been able to make it happen. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

03-28-2003, 03:01 PM	#34
bikr Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Palm Beach Posts: 230	you need to use ext2fs , the best one i've used is http://www.ext2fs-anywhere.com/ it's from paragon , you can probably find a copy somewhere. otherwise you may have to buy it , but it works wonderful! --JOsh __________________ http://www.modasylum.com

03-28-2003, 03:27 PM	#36
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	After the crap I've been through with Ext2, I'll never use it again. The site says they've recently implemented Ext3 support, but I don't see anything that supports that claim. Interesting idea, though, and very worthwhile. Do you know of any products that'll handle Ext3? __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

03-28-2003, 03:38 PM	#37
bikr Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Palm Beach Posts: 230	The newest version of Ext2fs anywhere, can mount both ext2 and ext3 partitions -- josh __________________ http://www.modasylum.com

03-28-2003, 05:29 PM	#39
bikr Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Palm Beach Posts: 230	here , thought you might wanna have a gander.. as I said it's a pain in the ass , but it can be done.. http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/redhat.html __________________ http://www.modasylum.com

03-28-2003, 07:08 PM	#40
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	XFS is the way to go - light years ahead. But you won't read that with from Microsoft systems without some serious 3rd party program... Anyway if that's not a consideration, XFS is currently the most advanced, performant, stable and sturdy file system available for Linux.

03-28-2003, 11:47 PM	#41
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	Dudes, I've got Mandrake 9.1 installed on my home machine. This is the first distro I've seen that has full support and compatability with the NForce2 platform. Very nice. I have Crossover Office/Plugin installed (along with Office 2000, TTFs, IE [gasp], and assorted other junk ... hehe ... I'm a sucker for Word and Excel), Opera, Mozilla, and EVERY package that came with the distro. I've configured every server and set up every service. This distro seems very easy and compatible with everything. I highly recommend it. Unlike the nightmare of Mandrake 9, this is very slick. The best part is that it actually does as it is told, and does what it says its going to do ... fancy that, eh? __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

03-29-2003, 04:24 AM	#42
mfpmax Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Rockledge,FL,US Posts: 731	Isn't Mandrake going under? __________________ My old and retired watercooling setup. Watercooled K6-2 450 at 600 Also Retired - Watercooling an XP1800@1782MHz

03-29-2003, 09:59 AM	#43
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	They did, and are "restructuring" now. They'll be around a while. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

03-30-2003, 03:15 AM	#44
mfpmax Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Rockledge,FL,US Posts: 731	I remember back when the creator used to just work on Enlightenment Window Manager and then he moved to the East Coast of the US working for RedHat. Those were the days. __________________ My old and retired watercooling setup. Watercooled K6-2 450 at 600 Also Retired - Watercooling an XP1800@1782MHz

03-31-2003, 03:56 PM	#45
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	9.1 is doing so well that I'm migrating two of the machines at work to it. This will be an interesting experiment. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

04-01-2003, 06:14 AM	#47
Can O' Beans Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Pa - USA Posts: 264	Heh heh. Personally, I like Gentoo, a little more hands-on, but takes longer to compile programs though. Slackware & Debian are good as well. RedHat & Especially Mandrake are almost as bloated as windows FreeBSD 5.0 is running on my server - very nice OS, but due to it being a new release, there are some problems here & there.

04-01-2003, 09:41 AM	#48
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	Yeah, Mandrake is pretty bloated and I wouldn't EVER dream of running a full install of it for a strong server, but for a common user or for a casual server, it is sooooo easy to use. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

04-01-2003, 10:04 AM	#49
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Ya'll are in for a shock! Microsoft found a way to get rid of all its problems, and put itself in a favorable position with Intel: Microsoft buys Linux! __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

04-01-2003, 10:13 AM	#50
Yo-DUH_87 Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 230	April 1st, nice try I read that one already, linked from a Linux support forum. Reason I was at the Linux support forum, is in attempting to install Mandrake 9.1, it gives a "floppy mount error," and loops back into selecting packages. Weird... I'll try putting a floppy in the system later. __________________ Signing out... Yo-DUH_87 If it works, fix it until it's broke! Then, after it's broke, add duct tape! Affordable webhosting!

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