Choosing Radiator

Monster811 · 04-19-2003, 07:13 PM

I am getting a water cooling kit soon, and i am wondering which radiator to get, either the D-Tek ProCore + Fan Shroud, or the Black Ice Xtreme. Size and presence/absence of a shroud are not problems. Which is better?

BrianW · 04-19-2003, 07:15 PM

With HC's all that really matters is size. And fin density, but size can make up for that. Get which is bigger, the D-Tek I believe. Or better yet get a bigger one, especially if size dont matter.

Brian W

Monster811 · 04-20-2003, 06:55 AM

Size doesnt matter, but price does. I am trying to keep the cost under USD $70.

BrianW · 04-20-2003, 03:51 PM

Goto a junkyard and get one. You can get whatever size you want with that budget.....

Here they are before:

And here they are after some finishing:

At this point you can paint em, powdercoat em, or do whatever you like.

BrianW

mad mikee · 04-20-2003, 05:57 PM

leaky car fedco # 2-85 -> 2-502, also more at spec1...

They can show you a boat load of heater cores including pictures.

Then:
cross ref between Fedco # from leakycar and car model/year, use to find rad at rockauto,etc

Example, found 2-342 at leakycar for 37$, (there are some threads about it around now), found reference at link above, went to rockauto and ordered yesterday for $28.44 including shipping!

redleader · 04-20-2003, 08:15 PM

Go buy a heatercore. You can get a truely massive core for $20-30. The stuff they sell on the net can't keep up.

Since87 · 04-20-2003, 09:08 PM

Guys, BillA's latest test results for heatercores are in this thread.

His testing indicates that the single pass heatercores (like the one BrianW provided pictures of) have much lower flow resistance than an equivalently sized two pass heater core.

With a low flow resistance waterblock, like a Swiftech, a single pass heatercore should result in much better flowrates. With a high flow resistance waterblock, like a White Water, the flow resistance of the heatercore is much less significant.

Monster811 · 04-20-2003, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by redleader
Go buy a heatercore. You can get a truely massive core for $20-30. The stuff they sell on the net can't keep up.

From where?

BrianW · 04-21-2003, 01:24 PM

From Autozone if yolu want a new one, or a junkyard if you want a udes one.

BrianW

Monster811 · 04-21-2003, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Since87
Guys, BillA's latest test results for heatercores are in this thread.

His testing indicates that the single pass heatercores (like the one BrianW provided pictures of) have much lower flow resistance than an equivalently sized two pass heater core.

With a low flow resistance waterblock, like a Swiftech, a single pass heatercore should result in much better flowrates. With a high flow resistance waterblock, like a White Water, the flow resistance of the heatercore is much less significant.

The waterblock I am getting is a Swiftech MCW5000-P

BrianW, I will check Autozone.

Talik · 04-21-2003, 04:00 PM

NAPAonline.com is another good place to buy heater cores. I found one on the website, then went to my local NAPA store(they don't all have all heatercores in stock, call ahead and if they don't have it, they will usually have it shipped in free of charge in about a day) and picked it up so I wouldn't have to pay or wait for shipping. I found that the price at the store was $5 more than the price quoted online, though, I'm not sure why, probably more overhead in the stores, but because I had the printout from the online store, they gave it to me for the lower price.

BrianW · 04-21-2003, 04:24 PM

A tip for obtaining these single pass large HC's

They are found in large worktruck made by ford. You will find them on old Cranes, firetrucks, etc. L9000 i think. I found mine at a place that refurbishes them. New they cost like 90.00 usd. I got mine for like 28 or something.

BrianW

Blackeagle · 04-21-2003, 10:37 PM

The 2-342 I've got came from a 69-72 chevy pickup with air.

$30.00 at Napa.

This is the core I sent to BillA for a comparison with Sense87's core. Bill posted a pic in that thread that Sense87 posted a link to.

Talik · 04-22-2003, 11:15 AM

The thing that generaly makes some heatercores more expensive is rarity. Not quality. This is a part that's designed to fit into various cars. Some models are made by the millions, while another model might only have a couple thousand produced. Just because you buy a used heatercore that might be very expensive if it was new, does not mean that you are getting a better heater core. The heatercore I mentioned picking up earlier was only $20, from napa, and is just as good as a $100 one, and I don't have to worry about oil on the inside, or leaks. The fins on a heatercore are also very soft, and can bend easily and lower efficiency. If you get a used heatercore, there is a better chance of these fins being bent.

I say go with a new one. Just my humble opinion, though.

Monster811 · 04-22-2003, 01:01 PM

I have heard that 1986 Chevette heatercores are popular, I found one for $17 on autozone's website. Will it perform well?

Also, any tips on how to create and attach a shroud and 120mm fan? I have very limited resources for this.

Cyco-Dude · 04-25-2003, 10:12 PM

thats basically what the dtek rad is, and its exactly what the DDen heater core is. the only difference is that the barbs are done for you (i think stock the barbs are 5/8 and 3/4" so u'ld have to mod them). id just grab the dtek core. you can make a temporary shroud outta cardbord and just tape it to the core lol. you could make one outta sheet metal or lucite or something. you can solder, glue, screw the shroud to the core.

Monster811 · 04-25-2003, 10:38 PM

Forgot to post, I ordered the D-Tek already.

Cyco-Dude · 04-25-2003, 10:42 PM

should work good as long as youve got room for it (i assume yes lol). mounting will require some modding but its no big deal. screw some 2 1/2" 6-32 size screws thru the fins and mount to chassis; easy. glhf

Monster811 · 04-26-2003, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cyco-Dude
should work good as long as youve got room for it (i assume yes lol). mounting will require some modding but its no big deal. screw some 2 1/2" 6-32 size screws thru the fins and mount to chassis; easy. glhf

This will be mounted externally, so I have plenty of space. (Everything will be housed in a box next to my case)

thepiecesfit · 04-29-2003, 11:11 AM

radiator

for this radiator what type of barbs would i need to attach for a 1/2 tubing system and would they have to be soldered or what??? kinda new to rad modding :P

BrianW · 04-29-2003, 09:12 PM

You could get 5/8" ID Silicon hose and stretch them over those existing barbs. Or you can cut them off at the tank, buy some 3/4" female NPT by 3/4" Copper pipe adapters, and solder those suckers on the tank. You will have to measure the OD of the copper pipe section of the Adapter and make the hole in the tank the same size. With this setup, you can use whatever hose adapter you want, as long as the threaded section is male 3/4" NPT.

Hope it helps.

BrianW

Wang · 05-02-2003, 11:45 PM

I'm getting a 2-595 from a Toyota Corolla, pretty much free.
I'll be running 3-blocks:

D-tek: WW
D-tek: FSB/NB
DD: GPU/9700

Compared to the Chevette HC....... whaddayathink?

Luckily 5/8 ID tubing fits my pump's outlet (perfect for HC inlet)

Thanks!

04-19-2003, 07:13 PM	#1
Monster811 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northeast US Posts: 40	Choosing Radiator I am getting a water cooling kit soon, and i am wondering which radiator to get, either the D-Tek ProCore + Fan Shroud, or the Black Ice Xtreme. Size and presence/absence of a shroud are not problems. Which is better?

04-19-2003, 07:15 PM	#2
BrianW Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Desert City in California Posts: 631	With HC's all that really matters is size. And fin density, but size can make up for that. Get which is bigger, the D-Tek I believe. Or better yet get a bigger one, especially if size dont matter. Brian W __________________ Water Cooled Inwin Q500 (Dual Rads: Rad1 = DTEK Pro Core \| Rad2 = Blick Ice Estreme, Hydor L30, Dangerden Maze2, Bay Res Typhoon Reservoir, 1/2 " DD Tygon Thick Wall Hose). Flow: Res, Pump, CPU watervlock, Y into both rads, both rads into res independently. Athlon XP 1800+ (@ 1731 - 150mhz fsb.), on a Asus A7N266-c, and a Radeon 9000 *waiting for RMA'd Saphire 9800 ultra from Newegg)

04-20-2003, 03:51 PM	#4
BrianW Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Desert City in California Posts: 631	Goto a junkyard and get one. You can get whatever size you want with that budget..... Here they are before: And here they are after some finishing: At this point you can paint em, powdercoat em, or do whatever you like. BrianW __________________ Water Cooled Inwin Q500 (Dual Rads: Rad1 = DTEK Pro Core \| Rad2 = Blick Ice Estreme, Hydor L30, Dangerden Maze2, Bay Res Typhoon Reservoir, 1/2 " DD Tygon Thick Wall Hose). Flow: Res, Pump, CPU watervlock, Y into both rads, both rads into res independently. Athlon XP 1800+ (@ 1731 - 150mhz fsb.), on a Asus A7N266-c, and a Radeon 9000 *waiting for RMA'd Saphire 9800 ultra from Newegg)

04-20-2003, 05:57 PM	#5
mad mikee Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: US of A!!!! Posts: 146	check out leakycar.com leaky car fedco # 2-85 -> 2-502, also more at spec1... They can show you a boat load of heater cores including pictures. Then: cross ref between Fedco # from leakycar and car model/year, use to find rad at rockauto,etc Example, found 2-342 at leakycar for 37$, (there are some threads about it around now), found reference at link above, went to rockauto and ordered yesterday for $28.44 including shipping!

04-21-2003, 01:24 PM	#9
BrianW Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Desert City in California Posts: 631	From Autozone if yolu want a new one, or a junkyard if you want a udes one. BrianW __________________ Water Cooled Inwin Q500 (Dual Rads: Rad1 = DTEK Pro Core \| Rad2 = Blick Ice Estreme, Hydor L30, Dangerden Maze2, Bay Res Typhoon Reservoir, 1/2 " DD Tygon Thick Wall Hose). Flow: Res, Pump, CPU watervlock, Y into both rads, both rads into res independently. Athlon XP 1800+ (@ 1731 - 150mhz fsb.), on a Asus A7N266-c, and a Radeon 9000 *waiting for RMA'd Saphire 9800 ultra from Newegg)

04-20-2003, 06:55 AM	#3
Monster811 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northeast US Posts: 40	Size doesnt matter, but price does. I am trying to keep the cost under USD $70.

04-20-2003, 08:15 PM	#6
redleader Thermophile Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The deserts of Tucson, Az Posts: 1,264	Go buy a heatercore. You can get a truely massive core for $20-30. The stuff they sell on the net can't keep up.

04-20-2003, 09:08 PM	#7
Since87 Pro/Guru - Uber Mod Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 834	Guys, BillA's latest test results for heatercores are in this thread. His testing indicates that the single pass heatercores (like the one BrianW provided pictures of) have much lower flow resistance than an equivalently sized two pass heater core. With a low flow resistance waterblock, like a Swiftech, a single pass heatercore should result in much better flowrates. With a high flow resistance waterblock, like a White Water, the flow resistance of the heatercore is much less significant.

04-21-2003, 04:00 PM	#11
Talik Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Portland Or Posts: 95	NAPAonline.com is another good place to buy heater cores. I found one on the website, then went to my local NAPA store(they don't all have all heatercores in stock, call ahead and if they don't have it, they will usually have it shipped in free of charge in about a day) and picked it up so I wouldn't have to pay or wait for shipping. I found that the price at the store was $5 more than the price quoted online, though, I'm not sure why, probably more overhead in the stores, but because I had the printout from the online store, they gave it to me for the lower price. __________________ Reality is nothing more than the delusions of the masses.

04-21-2003, 04:24 PM	#12
BrianW Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Desert City in California Posts: 631	A tip for obtaining these single pass large HC's They are found in large worktruck made by ford. You will find them on old Cranes, firetrucks, etc. L9000 i think. I found mine at a place that refurbishes them. New they cost like 90.00 usd. I got mine for like 28 or something. BrianW __________________ Water Cooled Inwin Q500 (Dual Rads: Rad1 = DTEK Pro Core \| Rad2 = Blick Ice Estreme, Hydor L30, Dangerden Maze2, Bay Res Typhoon Reservoir, 1/2 " DD Tygon Thick Wall Hose). Flow: Res, Pump, CPU watervlock, Y into both rads, both rads into res independently. Athlon XP 1800+ (@ 1731 - 150mhz fsb.), on a Asus A7N266-c, and a Radeon 9000 *waiting for RMA'd Saphire 9800 ultra from Newegg)

04-21-2003, 10:37 PM	#13
Blackeagle Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: U.S.A = Michigan Posts: 1,243	The 2-342 I've got came from a 69-72 chevy pickup with air. $30.00 at Napa. This is the core I sent to BillA for a comparison with Sense87's core. Bill posted a pic in that thread that Sense87 posted a link to.

04-22-2003, 11:15 AM	#14
Talik Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Portland Or Posts: 95	The thing that generaly makes some heatercores more expensive is rarity. Not quality. This is a part that's designed to fit into various cars. Some models are made by the millions, while another model might only have a couple thousand produced. Just because you buy a used heatercore that might be very expensive if it was new, does not mean that you are getting a better heater core. The heatercore I mentioned picking up earlier was only $20, from napa, and is just as good as a $100 one, and I don't have to worry about oil on the inside, or leaks. The fins on a heatercore are also very soft, and can bend easily and lower efficiency. If you get a used heatercore, there is a better chance of these fins being bent. I say go with a new one. Just my humble opinion, though. __________________ Reality is nothing more than the delusions of the masses. Last edited by Talik; 04-22-2003 at 11:23 AM.

04-22-2003, 01:01 PM	#15
Monster811 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northeast US Posts: 40	I have heard that 1986 Chevette heatercores are popular, I found one for $17 on autozone's website. Will it perform well? Also, any tips on how to create and attach a shroud and 120mm fan? I have very limited resources for this.

04-25-2003, 10:12 PM	#16
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	thats basically what the dtek rad is, and its exactly what the DDen heater core is. the only difference is that the barbs are done for you (i think stock the barbs are 5/8 and 3/4" so u'ld have to mod them). id just grab the dtek core. you can make a temporary shroud outta cardbord and just tape it to the core lol. you could make one outta sheet metal or lucite or something. you can solder, glue, screw the shroud to the core.

04-25-2003, 10:38 PM	#17
Monster811 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northeast US Posts: 40	Forgot to post, I ordered the D-Tek already.

04-25-2003, 10:42 PM	#18
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	should work good as long as youve got room for it (i assume yes lol). mounting will require some modding but its no big deal. screw some 2 1/2" 6-32 size screws thru the fins and mount to chassis; easy. glhf

04-29-2003, 11:11 AM	#20
thepiecesfit Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 2	radiator for this radiator what type of barbs would i need to attach for a 1/2 tubing system and would they have to be soldered or what??? kinda new to rad modding :P

04-29-2003, 09:12 PM	#21
BrianW Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Desert City in California Posts: 631	You could get 5/8" ID Silicon hose and stretch them over those existing barbs. Or you can cut them off at the tank, buy some 3/4" female NPT by 3/4" Copper pipe adapters, and solder those suckers on the tank. You will have to measure the OD of the copper pipe section of the Adapter and make the hole in the tank the same size. With this setup, you can use whatever hose adapter you want, as long as the threaded section is male 3/4" NPT. Hope it helps. BrianW __________________ Water Cooled Inwin Q500 (Dual Rads: Rad1 = DTEK Pro Core \| Rad2 = Blick Ice Estreme, Hydor L30, Dangerden Maze2, Bay Res Typhoon Reservoir, 1/2 " DD Tygon Thick Wall Hose). Flow: Res, Pump, CPU watervlock, Y into both rads, both rads into res independently. Athlon XP 1800+ (@ 1731 - 150mhz fsb.), on a Asus A7N266-c, and a Radeon 9000 *waiting for RMA'd Saphire 9800 ultra from Newegg)

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