White Water

coolpire.at · 07-02-2003, 02:08 PM

Hello guys,

I've heard, that a new cooler will come out and it's better than the White Water. What's the name of it?

Until now, the best cooler is the White Water right?

bigben2k · 07-02-2003, 02:33 PM

It's called Cascade, also by the Little River block co.

You can find the details in the Extreme Cooling section of the OCAU forums: look for Cathar: he's the designer/maker.

coolpire.at · 07-02-2003, 02:38 PM

He is also the Designer of the White Water cooler, right?

bigben2k · 07-02-2003, 02:44 PM

Correct.

Solarian League · 07-02-2003, 03:45 PM

ive been talking to him about buying his block, anyway i asked him about my johnson pump which is

7gallon per min at 1.5 PSI anyway he said it had good flow but the pressure was poor that it was the lower bracket of pumps for his block.

so i'm looking for a better pump.

bigben2k · 07-02-2003, 04:01 PM

That would be a mistake.

The Johnson pump model CMP30 is actually more powerfull than the 1048 and 1250, by Eheim.

Maybe he thought it was the Johnson model# 10, and I'd agree, in that case.

Solarian League · 07-02-2003, 04:21 PM

allright so i would be better off sticking with the johnson pump which i'm probably going to buy from this site

johnson pump

is that the correct one i would think so.

bigben2k · 07-02-2003, 04:37 PM

Yep, that's the one!

Make sure you get the mounting details, from here:
http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&threadid=6650

Solarian League · 07-02-2003, 04:48 PM

goddamn forum crap.

sorry.

anyway so i connect the pump to a molex then connect it to the 12 v rail of my psu, and then have a few capicator connecting both side on the pump in serial to help smooth out the spikes.

anyway how do i determite if my 12v rail is seperate from the rest of the system other than opening up the PSU because on that thread they talked about make sure your rail isn't to the harddrive also.

Cathar · 07-02-2003, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigben2k
That would be a mistake.

The Johnson pump model CMP30 is actually more powerfull than the 1048 and 1250, by Eheim.

Maybe he thought it was the Johnson model# 10, and I'd agree, in that case.

I should state that all I knew about the pump was Solarian League's statement of "1.5PSI and 7gpm". I never knew the model.

The Eheim 1046 pushes around 1.7PSI, the Eheim 1048 pushes about 2.3PSI, and the Eheim 1250 almost 3PSI.

I was basing my response on that a pump equivalent to an Eheim 1046 is about as low of a pumping pressure that I would recommend otherwise it might be more prudent to consider something like the White Water, and a figure of 1.5PSI was quoted to me.

Solarian League · 07-02-2003, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cathar
I should state that all I knew about the pump was Solarian League's statement of "1.5PSI and 7gpm". I never knew the model.

The Eheim 1046 pushes around 1.7PSI, the Eheim 1048 pushes about 2.3PSI, and the Eheim 1250 almost 3PSI.

I was basing my response on that a pump equivalent to an Eheim 1046 is about as low of a pumping pressure that I would recommend otherwise it might be more prudent to consider something like the White Water, and a figure of 1.5PSI was quoted to me.

oops sorry my bad. well atleast we got that cleared up, anyway the johnson one that i'm geting it will work great on your block right.

bigben2k · 07-02-2003, 08:00 PM

Yeah, it will.

Max pressure: 5 psi: that's 11 1/2 feet, or 3.5 meters.
Max flow is 30 l/m, that's 7.9 gpm, or 474 gph.

That's even better than an Eheim 1060 (the BIG Boy!).

Cathar · 07-02-2003, 08:05 PM

Just ordered two of the pumps myself. Been reading through the pump thread that BB2K posted and all the excellent work done by Since87 about filtering the pump's power. When they get here I'll have to head off to the local elec shop and pick up the bits and pieces to fudge up a little line power filter for them. Got 3 PC's, and the other two are air-cooled, but wanted a decent 12V pump to drive them.

Since87 · 07-02-2003, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Solarian League

anyway so i connect the pump to a molex then connect it to the 12 v rail of my psu, and then have a few capicator connecting both side on the pump in serial to help smooth out the spikes.

Gather the following:

The pump
A 0.1 microfarad film capacitor (AKA polyester capacitor)
A 1 amp diode (any voltage rating over 20V will do)
An inline fuse holder
A 3 amp fuse that fits the fuse holder
A male Molex connector.

1. Solder the following together:

the positive lead of the pump
one capacitor lead
the end of the diode with the stripe
one lead of a fuse holder

2. Solder the following together:

the negative lead of the pump
the other capacitor lead
the end of the diode without a stripe
a ground lead (black) of the Molex connector

3. Solder the +12V lead (yellow) of the molex connector to the other lead of the fuse holder.

4. Insulate everything.

5. Install a 3 Amp fuse in the fuse holder, and it's ready to go.

Quote:

Originally posted by Solarian League

anyway how do i determite if my 12v rail is seperate from the rest of the system other than opening up the PSU because on that thread they talked about make sure your rail isn't to the harddrive also.

You probably have several groups of four wires coming out of the PSU and going to Molex connectors. Isolate one of these cables, and don't use any of the connections on it for anything other than the pump. (and fans or other insensitive hardware)

Solarian League · 07-03-2003, 02:10 AM

since87: cool thanks for that info, as soon as the pump gets here i'll swing around by the local hardware shop and see if they have what i need to wire up this thing.

that reminds me i'll need to make sure to pick up a molex connector thingy in my computer purchases for the pump.

Stepback · 07-03-2003, 04:40 AM

Since87

In your instruction you left out the values for the cap and diode. Could you edit your post and add them in there?

Thanks

Since87 · 07-03-2003, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stepback
In your instruction you left out the values for the cap and diode. Could you edit your post and add them in there?

Done.

BillA · 07-03-2003, 11:31 AM

anyone source the Bosch PA 66 - GF 30
which is compared to the Jabsco 59500-0012 here ?

not too enthused with a 2,500 hr life

07-02-2003, 02:08 PM	#1
coolpire.at Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Europe/Austria Posts: 21	White Water Hello guys, I've heard, that a new cooler will come out and it's better than the White Water. What's the name of it? Until now, the best cooler is the White Water right?

07-02-2003, 02:33 PM	#2
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	It's called Cascade, also by the Little River block co. You can find the details in the Extreme Cooling section of the OCAU forums: look for Cathar: he's the designer/maker. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

07-02-2003, 02:44 PM	#4
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Correct. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

07-02-2003, 04:01 PM	#6
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	That would be a mistake. The Johnson pump model CMP30 is actually more powerfull than the 1048 and 1250, by Eheim. Maybe he thought it was the Johnson model# 10, and I'd agree, in that case. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

07-02-2003, 04:37 PM	#8
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Yep, that's the one! Make sure you get the mounting details, from here: http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&threadid=6650 __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

07-02-2003, 02:38 PM	#3
coolpire.at Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Europe/Austria Posts: 21	He is also the Designer of the White Water cooler, right?

07-02-2003, 03:45 PM	#5
Solarian League Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Solarian League Posts: 66	ive been talking to him about buying his block, anyway i asked him about my johnson pump which is 7gallon per min at 1.5 PSI anyway he said it had good flow but the pressure was poor that it was the lower bracket of pumps for his block. so i'm looking for a better pump.

07-02-2003, 04:21 PM	#7
Solarian League Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Solarian League Posts: 66	allright so i would be better off sticking with the johnson pump which i'm probably going to buy from this site johnson pump is that the correct one i would think so.

07-02-2003, 04:48 PM	#9
Solarian League Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Solarian League Posts: 66	goddamn forum crap. sorry. anyway so i connect the pump to a molex then connect it to the 12 v rail of my psu, and then have a few capicator connecting both side on the pump in serial to help smooth out the spikes. anyway how do i determite if my 12v rail is seperate from the rest of the system other than opening up the PSU because on that thread they talked about make sure your rail isn't to the harddrive also.

07-02-2003, 08:00 PM	#12
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Yeah, it will. Max pressure: 5 psi: that's 11 1/2 feet, or 3.5 meters. Max flow is 30 l/m, that's 7.9 gpm, or 474 gph. That's even better than an Eheim 1060 (the BIG Boy!). __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

07-02-2003, 08:05 PM	#13
Cathar Thermophile Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,538	Just ordered two of the pumps myself. Been reading through the pump thread that BB2K posted and all the excellent work done by Since87 about filtering the pump's power. When they get here I'll have to head off to the local elec shop and pick up the bits and pieces to fudge up a little line power filter for them. Got 3 PC's, and the other two are air-cooled, but wanted a decent 12V pump to drive them.

07-03-2003, 02:10 AM	#15
Solarian League Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Solarian League Posts: 66	since87: cool thanks for that info, as soon as the pump gets here i'll swing around by the local hardware shop and see if they have what i need to wire up this thing. that reminds me i'll need to make sure to pick up a molex connector thingy in my computer purchases for the pump.

07-03-2003, 04:40 AM	#16
Stepback Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 52	Since87 In your instruction you left out the values for the cap and diode. Could you edit your post and add them in there? Thanks __________________ Stepback Maintaining today for a better tommorrow.

07-03-2003, 11:31 AM	#18
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	anyone source the Bosch PA 66 - GF 30 which is compared to the Jabsco 59500-0012 here ? not too enthused with a 2,500 hr life

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