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Unread 08-08-2003, 07:57 PM   #276
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Unread 08-08-2003, 08:39 PM   #277
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how much u pay for that chunk of silver?
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Unread 08-08-2003, 09:10 PM   #278
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how much u pay for that chunk of silver?
You mean these chunks of silver?



They cost around $100US each, including shipping of them to me.
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Unread 08-09-2003, 04:17 PM   #279
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What would you estimate the cost of one of these blocks at? Around 200$? You could manufacture these, charge 300$ for them, and I can guarantee you people would still buy them, even if they only beat the standard Cascade design by a hair.

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Unread 08-09-2003, 05:13 PM   #280
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What would you estimate the cost of one of these blocks at? Around 200$? You could manufacture these, charge 300$ for them, and I can guarantee you people would still buy them, even if they only beat the standard Cascade design by a hair.

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Around $175US each for a completed block. An exact value would have to be worked out depending on exchange rate fluctuations as I'm also importing the silver, but in that vicinity.

I'm not really aiming to make these in mass, and nor could I really afford to have such blocks sitting around as it's a substantial chunk of "inventory" investment.

If people want one, they should contact me. Lead time would be around 6 weeks from placing a deposit (to cover the cost of the silver) to having a finished silver block sent, but I would only do that if I got at least 4 or more people seriously interested.
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Unread 08-09-2003, 10:14 PM   #281
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i want one i want one i want one plz
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Unread 08-10-2003, 04:38 AM   #282
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LOL!, I can see right up your nose! ...

How much softer than Cu is silver? Did you have to alter the design any to make it strong enough not to squish?...
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Unread 08-10-2003, 05:17 AM   #283
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How much softer than Cu is silver? Did you have to alter the design any to make it strong enough not to squish?...
Pure silver (as in the >99.9% purity that this silver is) is quite soft, almost getting down to the softness of gold. If you bite it hard, you can make quite an indent.

However, having said that, I didn't need to alter the design. The honeycomb pattern between the cups is a very strong structure. I've pulled the block off a number of times now and inspected it after some pretty dramatic mounting pressures (about thrice the AMD recommend mounting pressure) and I've not seen any sign of "squishing" or "indentation" of the die into the base-plate.
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Unread 08-10-2003, 06:25 AM   #284
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Cool!, I was thinking more about the wall thickness, as the honeycomb pattern is more of a 'sideways load' strenght is'nt it? I 'spose it's more of a 'wall to cup area' ratio that's important? but if it holds, it holds!...

Kudos to you on yet another peak of the unpeakable!! ...
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Unread 08-11-2003, 10:00 PM   #285
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A very fine looking block you have there Cathar, very sharp indeed!

You mentioned making some minor alterations to allow for the use of silver.

Did these alterations change the flow rate at all? If yes, how large a increase or decrease?

What differances in temps are you seeing in tests?

Noticable increases in O/C of your system that has been in use with the copper Cascade?
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Unread 08-12-2003, 10:03 AM   #286
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What about long term (1 yr) erosion from the jets?:shrug:
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Unread 08-13-2003, 02:57 AM   #287
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omg 100 us for each block = you have way too much money to play with man. instead of wasting all that cash, fly to my house and fix my damn oc ...
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Unread 08-13-2003, 09:22 AM   #288
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omg 100 us for each block = you have way too much money to play with man. instead of wasting all that cash, fly to my house and fix my damn oc ...
Bartering of services and skills in return for materials is the currency that I used to pay for the silver. There is no "wasted" cash.
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Unread 08-13-2003, 10:54 AM   #289
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Hardly wasted cash my friend.

These blocks (all Cascades) performe at a level above all cheaper & lesser blocks.

Quality costs! It always has and always will. You can't buy a BMW for the same price as a Chevy for the exact same reason.
The Silver Cascade offers added performance, just as the BMW offers a better ride.

If you look to some of the German sites you'll find silver blocks that are ONLY for the looks, as they can't match the performance of the copper Cascade. Or the copper White Water, in many cases.
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Unread 08-13-2003, 01:04 PM   #290
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What about long term (1 yr) erosion from the jets?:shrug:
Wolverine suggest an Impingement Velocity limit of 6ft/s to prevent erosion of Cu :- http://www.wlv.com/products/databook/
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Unread 08-13-2003, 02:20 PM   #291
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@ Cathar: Excellent work as always! If you do a GPU block, with both barbs coming out the side and suitable for a Radeon 9800 256Mb, then I'll be your first customer!
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Unread 08-13-2003, 04:19 PM   #292
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^^ I'd bet a pure silver GPU block would be awesome too.
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Unread 08-13-2003, 10:12 PM   #293
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Well I'm on the waiting list for the GPU block.

Those deeply interested in one should be sending in a e-mail.

Just keep in mind it will be a while I'd guess before it's ready. Cathar has only so much time, and right now it's going to the Cascade CPU block.

But yes, a silver GPU would be a nice match for the SS Cascade.
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Unread 08-13-2003, 10:32 PM   #294
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I have even less time than I used to. My real job is pounding me hard, I've got some horrible flu that's left me unmotivated and as weak as a kitten for the last 5 days, and then I have to catch up on my real job again.

Anyone interested in a part-time/casual job at my house? I either need to clone myself, or slow down. Lately it's been the latter.
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Unread 08-13-2003, 10:38 PM   #295
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Take care of your health foremost Cathar.

All else can wait.
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Unread 08-13-2003, 11:05 PM   #296
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i dont know what we all would do without cathar
we would be lost and probally go back to air
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Unread 08-14-2003, 01:07 AM   #297
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i dont understand.... a bmw is a big difference to a mazda for example, but even a 5 degree difference in the heat of the cpu surly isnt worth the extra 100 or so ?
i suppose its all got to do with priorities - meaning yall got too much money and time on your hands lol
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Unread 08-14-2003, 01:23 AM   #298
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sure 100$ is worth 5 degrees, when you make 200,000 a year

BUT, lets say you spend 70$ on a decent waterblock, youre only paying about $30 more for that 5 degrees
(well worth it in my book)
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Unread 08-14-2003, 04:55 AM   #299
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i dont understand.... a bmw is a big difference to a mazda for example, but even a 5 degree difference in the heat of the cpu surly isnt worth the extra 100 or so ?
i suppose its all got to do with priorities - meaning yall got too much money and time on your hands lol
It's a point you've made before, and by now you're starting to sound like a broken record.

What is it you're looking for? The entire world to agree with your point of view? People spend their money how they see fit, and you can be sure that they don't feel the compulsion to check with you as their financial advisor.

The same of thing is often said of people who buy the latest video card, the latest CPU or motherboard. The same can also be said of people who "hot rod" their cars. It's very similar. Almost everyone on the planet has a hobby of some kind that they will pour near irrational amounts of money into, because it is the hobby itself that rewards the individual, not the possessions or the amount of money spent on an item.

Everyone's perception of worth and value is unique to that individual. It may not make sense to you, but they're also not asking you to understand, at least not with as much effort as you seem to be pouring into convincing yourself that you're right and others are wrong. Everyone doesn't have to share your opinion.
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I think the practicality of this is best to go into a thread of it's own.
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