Watercooling a XEON - Swiftech?

dogbait · 08-28-2003, 01:54 PM

I've been looking into watercooling a dual Xeon, and it looks like Swiftech's the only manufacturer of Xeon waterblocks at the moment.

Not too big a problem considering the quality of their products but I'm puzzled by the difference between their two models, the MCW5000 with its push-fittings and the MCW5002 with hose barbs.

The MCW5000 with it's push-fit connecters seems a neat, clean and elegant design. So what is it that sets the
MCW5002's barbs apart and makes it worth buying over the MCW5000?

Brad · 08-28-2003, 02:49 PM

any socket 423 block will fit on the xeons.

the differance between the two blocks is manly in how you want your system to look, and what tubing your using, you'd probably want to email swiftech to get the specific details

dogbait · 08-28-2003, 06:54 PM

Not too many Socket 423 blocks made these days, or back when it came out - especially since the chip was up against the overclockers' choice at the time, the Athlon.

So, it seems either a custom one is in order, or a Swiftech, (which is fine, they look like good blocks, although I'm not 100% certain about that 'open chamber' design - looks too 'open' as though the water would take the path of least resistance and not even hit the pin array)

Thanks for the reply brad, will contact Swiftech.

eRNo · 08-29-2003, 01:58 AM

Innovatek makes a Xeon block....

Click Here!!!

dima y · 08-29-2003, 02:45 AM

ok let me lay it down here:

the difference between the two blocks (5000 and 5002) is that you can screw in a 5/8 barb into the block if your heart so desires and you dont have to deal with going from a pushconnect to a barb like on the 5000. but other then that they are essentially the same block. I am even willing to bet the bottoms are identical.

BTW as i recall Bill A work for swiftech now. Trust me he knows his stuff VERY WELL. Swiftech has always been one of the top preformers around.

i would buy swiftech over innovatech ANY DAY!

dogbait · 08-29-2003, 04:51 AM

Thanks for the link eRNo.

I agree though dima y, the Swifteceh does seem a safer bet. I emailed swiftech and received essentially what you said:

'The MCW5002(tm) series of water-blocks is designed for extreme
microprocessor cooling applications, where 1/2" ID (5/8" OD) tubing is
desired. The MCW5000 uses 1/2" ID, 3/8" ID tubing. The largest the ID
of the tubing, the more flow and less pressure drop.

This is the only difference.

Best Regards,

Gabe'

I'm just trying to figure out why 5/8" throughput would be needed unless the waterblock used some serious, serious impingement. Would I be correct in assuming this?

bigben2k · 08-29-2003, 12:11 PM

It's not about "5/8", it's about the 1/2" ID, and maintaining it throughout one's rig. That way, you have a minimal pressure drop at the block's outlets. In this case, there was a pressure drop caused by the small barb diameter, and another from the transition from 1/2" ID tubing to the 3/8" ID of the barb, which also affects the flow geometry.

We're still talking about minor things, so that's probably why it's a "5002", and not a "6000".

dogbait · 08-30-2003, 02:03 PM

heheh, very true bigben2k, the way Swiftech constantly update their blocks perhaps I should wait for their next release

I'd appreciate it if you guys could look over my components and give your opinions. It's my first PC upgrade in a long while, and first watercooled system - the thought of all that water in the machine leaking makes me nervous...want to do this watercooling stuff right!

o Swiftech MCW5000-PX
o Thermochill HE120.3 Rad
o Eheim 1048 or 1250, specs specs for both. Not sure if I'd be going overkill on the 1250, but I intend keeping the radiator outside the case, and in all likelihood a foot or two away.
o Tygon/Clearflex tubing or would pushfits need something stiffer like Vinyl?

I don't plan on overclocking (since the motherboard won't support it anyways :shrug: ) but truth be told, I'm looking for quiet, reliable cooling. Would the push fits on the Swiftech be reliable or are hose barbs less prone to leaks?

gone_fishin · 08-30-2003, 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by dogbait
heheh, very true bigben2k, the way Swiftech constantly update their blocks perhaps I should wait for their next release

I'd appreciate it if you guys could look over my components and give your opinions. It's my first PC upgrade in a long while, and first watercooled system - the thought of all that water in the machine leaking makes me nervous...want to do this watercooling stuff right!

o Swiftech MCW5000-PX
o Thermochill HE120.3 Rad
o Eheim 1048 or 1250, specs specs for both. Not sure if I'd be going overkill on the 1250, but I intend keeping the radiator outside the case, and in all likelihood a foot or two away.
o Tygon/Clearflex tubing or would pushfits need something stiffer like Vinyl?

I don't plan on overclocking (since the motherboard won't support it anyways :shrug: ) but truth be told, I'm looking for quiet, reliable cooling. Would the push fits on the Swiftech be reliable or are hose barbs less prone to leaks?

I see your goals as being low noise and good cooling as opposed to best cooling for overclocking purposes.
The smaller Eheim pump will better suit your needs.

The block with the screw in hosebarbs would be a better investment imo. You could swap out the barbs for any size tubing you require and if you decide to sell at a future date it would be more sellable because it would work in anyones system because of this.

The rad is overkill for your needs, try the HE120-1 or similarly sized heatercore.
If you can fit it in your case it will muffle the fan you need to place on your rad for even less noise.

Get Tygon tubing one size smaller than the OD diameter of your hosebarb fittings. I.E. - for 5/8" OD connections use Tygon 1/2" ID tubing. In my experience using Tygon in this way, hoseclamps are not needed.

dogbait · 08-30-2003, 04:52 PM

Very true, if I later sold on the block it would be easier to do so if it used hose barbs. But those compression fittings look so very cool!

I'm planning on purchasing such a whopping great radiator because I plan on cooling eventually two or three PCs from it

In addition, it's not going to go inside my case but in a separate 'box' so the size isn't too much of an issue since my case has room for only the smallest 80mm radiator which would need a lot of airflow through it to cool two Xeons and the gfx card.

Will get the smaller Eheim, since I hear running the 1250 with 3/8" ID barbs could cause it to become a bit hot (I believe it comes with 3/4" and 1/2" fittings as standard).

And Tygon looks good, although I hear there are issues with it not working so good with push fits?

gone_fishin · 08-30-2003, 05:02 PM

My guess would be that its shore rating makes it a poor choice for push type fittings which are more suitable for a stiffer type tubing.

dogbait · 08-30-2003, 09:01 PM

Would Clearflex be too soft as well, even with the push fit inserts?
Vinyl I'm assuming is the way to go otherwise? There seems to be one brand called 'Kuri-tec' which is used by Swiftech.

I can't find it in the UK at the moment, but would this be the best vinyl tubing?

Walta · 08-30-2003, 10:52 PM

To use the push fittings you must ½ inch OD tubing (in other words 3/8 ID from the hardware store vary thin walls. That seal on the outside of the tube so metric tubes would likely leak. You are in the UK?) If you want ½ ID tube buy the adapters. Seals on the ID should work with clear flex or local tubing http://www.cooltechnica.com/Merchant...egory_Code=TAF

Same ID as all ½ hose barbs?

08-28-2003, 01:54 PM	#1
dogbait Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: London, UK Posts: 70	Watercooling a XEON - Swiftech? I've been looking into watercooling a dual Xeon, and it looks like Swiftech's the only manufacturer of Xeon waterblocks at the moment. Not too big a problem considering the quality of their products but I'm puzzled by the difference between their two models, the MCW5000 with its push-fittings and the MCW5002 with hose barbs. The MCW5000 with it's push-fit connecters seems a neat, clean and elegant design. So what is it that sets the MCW5002's barbs apart and makes it worth buying over the MCW5000?

08-28-2003, 02:49 PM	#2
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	any socket 423 block will fit on the xeons. the differance between the two blocks is manly in how you want your system to look, and what tubing your using, you'd probably want to email swiftech to get the specific details __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

08-29-2003, 12:11 PM	#7
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	It's not about "5/8", it's about the 1/2" ID, and maintaining it throughout one's rig. That way, you have a minimal pressure drop at the block's outlets. In this case, there was a pressure drop caused by the small barb diameter, and another from the transition from 1/2" ID tubing to the 3/8" ID of the barb, which also affects the flow geometry. We're still talking about minor things, so that's probably why it's a "5002", and not a "6000". __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

08-28-2003, 06:54 PM	#3
dogbait Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: London, UK Posts: 70	Not too many Socket 423 blocks made these days, or back when it came out - especially since the chip was up against the overclockers' choice at the time, the Athlon. So, it seems either a custom one is in order, or a Swiftech, (which is fine, they look like good blocks, although I'm not 100% certain about that 'open chamber' design - looks too 'open' as though the water would take the path of least resistance and not even hit the pin array) Thanks for the reply brad, will contact Swiftech.

08-29-2003, 01:58 AM	#4
eRNo Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 6	Innovatek makes a Xeon block.... Click Here!!!

08-29-2003, 02:45 AM	#5
dima y Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: palo alto, CA Posts: 164	ok let me lay it down here: the difference between the two blocks (5000 and 5002) is that you can screw in a 5/8 barb into the block if your heart so desires and you dont have to deal with going from a pushconnect to a barb like on the 5000. but other then that they are essentially the same block. I am even willing to bet the bottoms are identical. BTW as i recall Bill A work for swiftech now. Trust me he knows his stuff VERY WELL. Swiftech has always been one of the top preformers around. i would buy swiftech over innovatech ANY DAY!

08-29-2003, 04:51 AM	#6
dogbait Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: London, UK Posts: 70	Thanks for the link eRNo. I agree though dima y, the Swifteceh does seem a safer bet. I emailed swiftech and received essentially what you said: 'The MCW5002(tm) series of water-blocks is designed for extreme microprocessor cooling applications, where 1/2" ID (5/8" OD) tubing is desired. The MCW5000 uses 1/2" ID, 3/8" ID tubing. The largest the ID of the tubing, the more flow and less pressure drop. This is the only difference. Best Regards, Gabe' I'm just trying to figure out why 5/8" throughput would be needed unless the waterblock used some serious, serious impingement. Would I be correct in assuming this?

08-30-2003, 02:03 PM	#8
dogbait Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: London, UK Posts: 70	heheh, very true bigben2k, the way Swiftech constantly update their blocks perhaps I should wait for their next release I'd appreciate it if you guys could look over my components and give your opinions. It's my first PC upgrade in a long while, and first watercooled system - the thought of all that water in the machine leaking makes me nervous...want to do this watercooling stuff right! o Swiftech MCW5000-PX o Thermochill HE120.3 Rad o Eheim 1048 or 1250, specs specs for both. Not sure if I'd be going overkill on the 1250, but I intend keeping the radiator outside the case, and in all likelihood a foot or two away. o Tygon/Clearflex tubing or would pushfits need something stiffer like Vinyl? I don't plan on overclocking (since the motherboard won't support it anyways :shrug: ) but truth be told, I'm looking for quiet, reliable cooling. Would the push fits on the Swiftech be reliable or are hose barbs less prone to leaks?

08-30-2003, 04:52 PM	#10
dogbait Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: London, UK Posts: 70	Very true, if I later sold on the block it would be easier to do so if it used hose barbs. But those compression fittings look so very cool! I'm planning on purchasing such a whopping great radiator because I plan on cooling eventually two or three PCs from it In addition, it's not going to go inside my case but in a separate 'box' so the size isn't too much of an issue since my case has room for only the smallest 80mm radiator which would need a lot of airflow through it to cool two Xeons and the gfx card. Will get the smaller Eheim, since I hear running the 1250 with 3/8" ID barbs could cause it to become a bit hot (I believe it comes with 3/4" and 1/2" fittings as standard). And Tygon looks good, although I hear there are issues with it not working so good with push fits?

08-30-2003, 05:02 PM	#11
gone_fishin Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Da UP Posts: 517	My guess would be that its shore rating makes it a poor choice for push type fittings which are more suitable for a stiffer type tubing.

08-30-2003, 09:01 PM	#12
dogbait Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: London, UK Posts: 70	Would Clearflex be too soft as well, even with the push fit inserts? Vinyl I'm assuming is the way to go otherwise? There seems to be one brand called 'Kuri-tec' which is used by Swiftech. I can't find it in the UK at the moment, but would this be the best vinyl tubing?

08-30-2003, 10:52 PM	#13
Walta Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: St Louis Posts: 3	To use the push fittings you must ½ inch OD tubing (in other words 3/8 ID from the hardware store vary thin walls. That seal on the outside of the tube so metric tubes would likely leak. You are in the UK?) If you want ½ ID tube buy the adapters. Seals on the ID should work with clear flex or local tubing http://www.cooltechnica.com/Merchant...egory_Code=TAF Same ID as all ½ hose barbs?

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