Performance for the Maze3 - Page 2

Sherlock · 04-23-2002, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim

Huh?
3.1 C gain Max is what I read. :shrug:
Did I miss somthin'?
Jim

He's referring to the delta between cpu and ambient. The drop he was talking about is actually 19.2C to 16.1C

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DigitalChaos · 04-24-2002, 12:32 AM

i have been watching my temps very closely lately between MBM and the digitaldoc.

i THINK MBM is reading the internal diode of the xp. "P2-Diode"

if this is true, then what pH said in a... umm.. uh... OTHER forum would be true.
he was talking about how external probe measuring get affected by "compression"

and this sure seems to be true since MBM read about 1 degree lower than my lowest temp and about 4-5 degrees higher than my highest temp (compared to the DD5)

all this would mean in the end, is that there is a larger performance gap between the maze2 and maze3

right now, college is closing up and there isnt much time. when i get time i will do a retest.

for like.. 99% of test out there though, they use a method similar to mine, or worse for measuring temps. so it would be interesting to see 100% real temps.

one problem though, the temp that the diode gives may not be calibrated to give 100% real temps, but it will give 100% correct relative temps. soooo... how should i go about gettin an ambient temp? i want one that everyone could use so that comparing tests will be accurate.

i could use my DD5 for ambient. but we would have to rely on the internal diodes being calibrated the same, and the DD5 probes.

or atleast use the same ambient temp, which may not be workable....

idunno guys, start throwin out some ideas!

Cyco-Dude · 04-24-2002, 07:12 PM

there is no possible way for you to compare temps with other ppls rigs, there are just too many variables. instead, just have every-1 do the same thing you did, give ambient, idle, and full load temps for both blocks. this should at least show if the M3 is any better than the M2 (which it seems to be so far...)

DigitalChaos · 04-24-2002, 07:34 PM

yea, i was just lookin for a way to make tests comparable. looks like its gotta stay the way it is =/

but soon ill have a much more accurate reading for ya guys.

DigitalChaos · 04-27-2002, 01:00 PM

for maze 3
used a MBM to measure the thermal diode, and a DD5 to measure the ambient (everything else is just like my first test)

ambient 22
vcool 22
idle 33
max 43

not sure if that changes anything for anyone, but there it is. and i dont feel like doing maze2 temps anytime soon so thats what you get

Jessfm · 04-27-2002, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DigitalChaos
for maze 3
used a MBM to measure the thermal diode, and a DD5 to measure the ambient (everything else is just like my first test)

ambient 22
vcool 22
idle 33
max 43

not sure if that changes anything for anyone, but there it is. and i dont feel like doing maze2 temps anytime soon so thats what you get

Water temp ?
Plus whats your CPU at ?

DigitalChaos · 04-27-2002, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jessfm

Water temp ?
Plus whats your CPU at ?

i forgot water temp.

and "(everything else is just like my first test)"

Jim · 04-27-2002, 03:59 PM

Digital-

Is there still a 3.1c difference between Maze2 and Maze3?
Jim

UpAllNight · 04-29-2002, 09:05 PM

Cpu temps taken with a compu nurse probe touching core

Water temps taken with compu nurse prode in t-line

loaded=2 hrs prime95

ambient temps taken from mbm(i dont like that method)

check sig for my setup

temps taken with core at 2.0v

water=25.7c
Cpu=33.5c
idle=31c
ambient=26c

Jessfm · 04-30-2002, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by UpAllNight
Cpu temps taken with a compu nurse probe touching core

Water temps taken with compu nurse prode in t-line

loaded=2 hrs prime95

ambient temps taken from mbm(i dont like that method)

check sig for my setup

temps taken with core at 2.0v

water=25.7c
Cpu=33.5c
idle=31c
ambient=26c

Not sure how your water temp is below the air temp.:shrug:
But anyway.
I make your CPU @ 96.5W
Temp rise - 7.8°c
That makes:
Maze3 TR = 0.081c/w

Can't see it overall been less then 0.13c/w TBJ, overall should be around 0.14c/w with AS3 etc.

DigitalChaos · 04-30-2002, 01:06 PM

the "ambient" temp was taken with MBM as he said. so that means its really his case temp

UpAllNight · 04-30-2002, 01:13 PM

yeah my ambient is not a good reading

infact it worthless ...lol

how do u guys take a good ambient temp?

Cyco-Dude · 04-30-2002, 03:42 PM

have a thermometer in ur room, that'll work

Jim · 04-30-2002, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cyco-Dude
have a thermometer in ur room, that'll work

that's it!
Jim

UpAllNight · 04-30-2002, 09:41 PM

do i have to mod my room for this thermometer...lol

sometimes i can ask the stupidest questions

golovko · 04-30-2002, 11:14 PM

well, this is my 2nd wc setup. my first one was a maze 2 with a bong that i made. cpu temp idle for that was 38, ambient 24, load 41.

i recently upgraded to maze3, bix w/120 pana h1a, mag drive 3, 1/2 silicon.

in both cases, cpu temps were measured with the motherboard sensor, and the ambient meaured with dd5.

with new setup, idle 36, ambient 27, load 39.

the reason for the ambient increase is change in weather since ive built the new setup (midwest weather is crazy).

heres my cooling cycle. pump>maze3>rad>res the reasoning for this is that the waterblock will have more flow over it (thinking that more flow = better cooling). does this make sense? also, i have a lian-li pc70 with the panaflow installed in the rear above the psu sucking in air to push through the radiator. im thinking that this may be cycle the hot exhaust air from the psu back in, anyone had any similar experience with this? any critiques on my setup would be appreciated since my temps seem a little higher than the avg so far...

SCompRacer · 05-01-2002, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by golovko
also, i have a lian-li pc70 with the panaflow installed in the rear above the psu sucking in air to push through the radiator. im thinking that this may be cycle the hot exhaust air from the psu back in, anyone had any similar experience with this?

I did something similar on my first water cooling setup and it did draw warm air in from the PS so I had to change things around. When I moved everything into a PC70, I modded it so I could mount the power supply right side up in the lower position. A Black Ice Extreme is mounted above the power supply and is ducted to ambient air through the side of case. A 120mm 86CFM Panaflo draws air through the radiator and blows out. I made the duct to case side out of thin plexi.

I had to remove the power supply support and cut out a hole in the panel so it wouldn't block the second exhaust fan on my power supply. I also had to make a new rear plate too as the one supplied will only allow you to reverse it and mount the power supply at the top.

radiator above PS

Rear plate

PS support cut out

Duct and plexi reservoir

I have warm running SCSI drives so thats why I went to ambient air for the radiator rather than draw warm air from inside of case. I also wanted a laser lighted clear plexi reservoir to give me a light show through a 120mm blowhole from the top center of case. Some folks mount the radiator and fan in that location.

I'm not finished yet, but am pretty close.

Cyco-Dude · 05-01-2002, 12:34 PM

where did you get those little clear 'L' brackets from that you use to mount your res?

SCompRacer · 05-01-2002, 02:03 PM

I cut them out of the corners of a cracked plexi box. I read where you can bend plexi by heating it with a torch, but took the easy way out.

04-29-2002, 09:05 PM	#34
UpAllNight Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HILLBILLY LAND Posts: 159	Cpu temps taken with a compu nurse probe touching core Water temps taken with compu nurse prode in t-line loaded=2 hrs prime95 ambient temps taken from mbm(i dont like that method) check sig for my setup temps taken with core at 2.0v water=25.7c Cpu=33.5c idle=31c ambient=26c __________________ XP1800 @172x10.5 Maze 3..Ehiem 1250..Chevette Rad 1 120mm panaflo @7v 1" shroud All fits nicely inside my case ambient(74 F) 2.0v Core(33.5) Loaded idle(31.5c) Enermax 431 watt Antec 1030B Gainward Geforce 3 TI200 241/548 Sony CDRW Creative 52x CD Soundblaster Live

04-30-2002, 01:13 PM	#37
UpAllNight Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HILLBILLY LAND Posts: 159	yeah my ambient is not a good reading infact it worthless ...lol how do u guys take a good ambient temp? __________________ XP1800 @172x10.5 Maze 3..Ehiem 1250..Chevette Rad 1 120mm panaflo @7v 1" shroud All fits nicely inside my case ambient(74 F) 2.0v Core(33.5) Loaded idle(31.5c) Enermax 431 watt Antec 1030B Gainward Geforce 3 TI200 241/548 Sony CDRW Creative 52x CD Soundblaster Live

04-30-2002, 09:41 PM	#40
UpAllNight Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HILLBILLY LAND Posts: 159	do i have to mod my room for this thermometer...lol sometimes i can ask the stupidest questions __________________ XP1800 @172x10.5 Maze 3..Ehiem 1250..Chevette Rad 1 120mm panaflo @7v 1" shroud All fits nicely inside my case ambient(74 F) 2.0v Core(33.5) Loaded idle(31.5c) Enermax 431 watt Antec 1030B Gainward Geforce 3 TI200 241/548 Sony CDRW Creative 52x CD Soundblaster Live

04-30-2002, 11:14 PM	#41
golovko Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Purdue University, USA Posts: 141	well, this is my 2nd wc setup. my first one was a maze 2 with a bong that i made. cpu temp idle for that was 38, ambient 24, load 41. i recently upgraded to maze3, bix w/120 pana h1a, mag drive 3, 1/2 silicon. in both cases, cpu temps were measured with the motherboard sensor, and the ambient meaured with dd5. with new setup, idle 36, ambient 27, load 39. the reason for the ambient increase is change in weather since ive built the new setup (midwest weather is crazy). heres my cooling cycle. pump>maze3>rad>res the reasoning for this is that the waterblock will have more flow over it (thinking that more flow = better cooling). does this make sense? also, i have a lian-li pc70 with the panaflow installed in the rear above the psu sucking in air to push through the radiator. im thinking that this may be cycle the hot exhaust air from the psu back in, anyone had any similar experience with this? any critiques on my setup would be appreciated since my temps seem a little higher than the avg so far... Last edited by golovko; 04-30-2002 at 11:23 PM.

04-24-2002, 12:32 AM	#27
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	i have been watching my temps very closely lately between MBM and the digitaldoc. i THINK MBM is reading the internal diode of the xp. "P2-Diode" if this is true, then what pH said in a... umm.. uh... OTHER forum would be true. he was talking about how external probe measuring get affected by "compression" and this sure seems to be true since MBM read about 1 degree lower than my lowest temp and about 4-5 degrees higher than my highest temp (compared to the DD5) all this would mean in the end, is that there is a larger performance gap between the maze2 and maze3 right now, college is closing up and there isnt much time. when i get time i will do a retest. for like.. 99% of test out there though, they use a method similar to mine, or worse for measuring temps. so it would be interesting to see 100% real temps. one problem though, the temp that the diode gives may not be calibrated to give 100% real temps, but it will give 100% correct relative temps. soooo... how should i go about gettin an ambient temp? i want one that everyone could use so that comparing tests will be accurate. i could use my DD5 for ambient. but we would have to rely on the internal diodes being calibrated the same, and the DD5 probes. or atleast use the same ambient temp, which may not be workable.... idunno guys, start throwin out some ideas!

04-24-2002, 07:12 PM	#28
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	there is no possible way for you to compare temps with other ppls rigs, there are just too many variables. instead, just have every-1 do the same thing you did, give ambient, idle, and full load temps for both blocks. this should at least show if the M3 is any better than the M2 (which it seems to be so far...)

04-24-2002, 07:34 PM	#29
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	yea, i was just lookin for a way to make tests comparable. looks like its gotta stay the way it is =/ but soon ill have a much more accurate reading for ya guys.

04-27-2002, 01:00 PM	#30
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	for maze 3 used a MBM to measure the thermal diode, and a DD5 to measure the ambient (everything else is just like my first test) ambient 22 vcool 22 idle 33 max 43 not sure if that changes anything for anyone, but there it is. and i dont feel like doing maze2 temps anytime soon so thats what you get

04-27-2002, 03:59 PM	#33
Jim Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 389	Digital- Is there still a 3.1c difference between Maze2 and Maze3? Jim

04-30-2002, 01:06 PM	#36
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	the "ambient" temp was taken with MBM as he said. so that means its really his case temp

04-30-2002, 03:42 PM	#38
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	have a thermometer in ur room, that'll work

05-01-2002, 12:34 PM	#43
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	where did you get those little clear 'L' brackets from that you use to mount your res?

05-01-2002, 02:03 PM	#44
SCompRacer Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 94	I cut them out of the corners of a cracked plexi box. I read where you can bend plexi by heating it with a torch, but took the easy way out.

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