Cut it Out??!!??

[JoeKamel]

Ah, what would the world be without innocent, trusting 18 year old girls?

[Remote Man]

Originally Posted by JoeKamel

Ah, what would the world be without innocent, trusting 18 year old girls?

A whole lot hornyer?

[BillA]

looking at 17 yr olds ?

[Ruiner]

This thread made my day.

[jaydee]

Back to the original subject.... Seems a little boring around here lately. Maybe we ran off all the unwilling to change their ignorant review ways. They still seem to be spitting them out at record pace however....

A site should be started dedicated to slagging ignorant an misinformative websites... Plenty of content for such a site....

[Les]

Originally Posted by jaydee116

A site should be started dedicated to slagging ignorant an misinformative websites... Plenty of content for such a site....

Glass houses.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by Les

Glass houses.

I like to break glass.

[Les]

Originally Posted by jaydee116

I like to break glass.

FroCooling is a "Glass House". Much mis-guided thoughts (misinformation) can be found here.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by Les

FroCooling is a "Glass House". Much misinformation here.

Sure, but not in the form of reviews and articles. I am speaking for the one's that choose to write articles and do reviews and post them for all to see. Open forum bull shit will always exist but it seems to be rapidly contaminating articles and reviews.

People expect more from so called "authors" of these sites. Problem is these "authors" are no better than the average person. These people are supposed to be more knowlegable and they simply are not. In many cases less knowlegable then the readers. These people just have more time on their hands the make shit up.

I expect bull shit in the forums but I do not in articles and reviews. People just don;t have any standards to base anything on I guess.

[Les]

Originally Posted by jaydee116

I expect bull shit in the forums but I do not in articles and reviews. People just don;t have any standards to base anything on I guess.

You are expecting too much.
Suggest pHaestus may agree that all articles would benefit from scrutinizing by authorities in the field.
Most "cooling gurus/geeks "(including myself) who habituate Procooling are self- taught and often lack the basic fluid dynamics/heat transfer physics.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by Les

You are expecting too much.
Suggest pHaestus may agree that all articles would benefit from scrutinizing by authorities in the field.
Most "cooling gurus/geeks "(including myself) who habituate Procooling are self- taught and often lack the basic fluid dynamics/heat transfer physics.

Fair enough. I think the biggest problem I have is people's unwillingness to do better especially after they have been informed of their errors. Liquid 3D is a prime example. His test setup is still sitting on the floor by a window in his apartment yet he still claims pH's results are wrong and biased. Liquid3D still makes reviews and companies like DD still send him shit simply because he gets the product noticed no matter the way it was done. The companies have a lot to do with it all to....

Seems the people that want to do better always takes the shit... Interesting how that works.

[9mmCensor]

Poorly done reviews is one thing.

But reviews that are like advertisements, set me off.

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=11014

[567234ta]

majority wins woohoo

[msv]

Are You gonna call me names if I tell You yhat String-Emil is back at www.string-emil.de?
"Now behave Yourself, or I´ll cast a horrible spell that will summon String-Emil in Your bathroom!"
;-)
regards
Mikael S.

P.S. Watercooling reviewers have better to know what they´re doing, otherwise they´d be better off studying some basic thermodynamics.

[Marci]

Jumping in late on this thread with my 2p (hmmm, looking back over the length of the post, £20) worth... here goes...

This site is responsible for me no longer reviewing cooling hardware. Only this site.




HOWEVER.... that is no bad thing.

I used to review stuff left right and centre, admittedly a lot of the time for the freebies, but my job required it of me... but from reading on here, I've learnt MUCH more and realised that my reviews of cooling hardware generally weren't worth the paper they were written on as the results weren't sufficiently quantifiable and comparable, nor controlled.

Is this a bad thing? In my mind, no.... but that's cos it's me. I realised my reviewing methodologies were flawed, and also realised that I didn't have the resources to correct the flaws and test using uniform methods, therefore it was my decision to stop writing reviews and I'm perfectly happy with that decision. I'm happier knowing that any falsehoods knocking about the scene aren't being knocked about by me (but there's still stuff I don't know so some advice I give may be inaccurate from time to time, but that's all part of the learning curve). Sadly, watercooling retailers in this game cannot afford to employ thermo-dynamically skilled staff, or cannot afford the hardware needed to allow accurate reviews to be published. In my position I am "the technical authority" of more or less everything at over-clock.com, and the members of our forums and the consumers all demand of me technical info that I attempt to provide as best I can, however, when it comes to reviews and figures I always firstly point out that figures are only comparable if uniform methodologies are in play when talking about others' reviews, and then inevitably send whoever it is asking the question I can't answer here, or come here myself to find it.

I see this place more as the hidden resource for the Technical Representatives around the globe in this scene, and would be thrilled to see representation from EVERY online store selling watercooling, as that way we can be sure that everyone knows the same info and is giving out the same facts etc.

Things can get tricky tho... y'see, we've just made up a set of radiators, however cannot send them to Bill for reviewing as he did with the previous line (ThermoChill HE series) for obvious reasons.... I obviously can't review the new rads due to lack of equipment and testing-knowhow, and the company doesn't have the funds to correct that situation....

So, I have sat here a set of rads that I cannot quantify. I've e-mailed all I can think of to get them reviewed via uniform methodologies, and can't find anyone willing to undertake the task, and a huge chunk didn't reply to my initial e-mail either... I don't want to write a single word on these rads as I know for a fact that if I did any figures I produced would be 100% useless to those in the know, and n00bs and consumers will just accept what they're told by any old monkey the majority of the time, especially those who base their purchasing decisions on "my mates is better than mine" - I just don't feel comfortable in misleading them, and then being publicly accused of providing misleading information elsewhere online by other sites as that does nothing for the reputation of the business and myself.

So there's the partial downside and upside in one... the risk of total published reviews diminishing, but the quality and usefulness of the reviews that ARE being published being 200% more accurate and useful than those that are no longer being written.... now you've gotta get the public looking at the good ones, and ignoring the bad ones.

Now yes, this site does scare of a lot of n00bs etc, but again, that preserves the information in the forums and stops all the general spam suffered by other sites (same questions over and over and over and over by folks who obviously haven't looked into a thing) so the information which IS here is of FAR more use to anyone than it would otherwise be if the site was more friendly to the average "uninitiated" newcomer...

Perhaps the solution would be to offshoot - have a user-friendly section of the forums for the average user, and then section off an area for the highly technical info with a warning that if you come in here spouting crap you're likely to get it forced back into the anal cavity via the same orifice it left from... straight down the throat.

It's a tricky game, but tbh I'm glad this site is how it is as that's what I rely on.... brute force honesty ensuring the facts are presented and the myths and falsehoods exposed and made public. All of them.

Possibly the trickiest question I've ever seen asked on this site!
So there ya go... I'm off to fix me motorbike now seeing as I slid it sideways down a road last night and left half of it naked!

[Marci]

Hmmmm

/me just realised how old this thread is and begins to cower into a corner quickly...

Oopsie!!

[BillA]

lol
the thread is old perhaps, but we are expert at chewing the same gristle over and over and over

I sympathize with your rad testing dilemma, and you are not alone; there are others who wish to enter this market but are stymied by the lack of an objective yardstick by which a 'new' rad can be compared to the existing rads

but realistically Swiftech's testing capability has to be viewed as simply part of their (should I say 'our' ?) competitive advantage (and rather expensive I would add)

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by ProBerto

yet another... ; saw it linked from [H]

I glanced through that one. Gamer did that one instead of Liquid3D. I thought it is was considerably better than anything Liquid3D has done.

[bigben2k]

It's still system testing; that remains the problem.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by bigben2k

It's still system testing; that remains the problem.

Unsolveable problem though. :shrug:

[BillA]

Originally Posted by bigben2k

It's still system testing; that remains the problem.

I do wonder where your head is at Ben
was this not the test of a KIT ?
aka "a system"
(and they got that wrong as the radbox is not included)

[jlrii]

Hmmm...ProCooling Pron....I may have to upgrade the size of my Tygon, scew half inch hell at least to at least 1 1/2" id...LOL pr0n sized water coolin'. "You like that missey? That's some damn big tubing ain't it." .......Meanwhile there is an uproar on the German sites, "But ist not za size zat matters, it iz za pump behind it. 10mm iz fine."

[superart]

u know whatthey say, "It's not the size that matters, it's how you pump it"

[jlrii]

Sorry if I offend, doesn't work w/o the accent. LOL

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by unregistered

I do wonder where your head is at Ben
was this not the test of a KIT ?
aka "a system"
(and they got that wrong as the radbox is not included)

Gamer stated the Rad Box was not included by default. The wording is right above the picture of it.

I think Ben ment system testing as in using the Computer (System) to test as opposed to a test bench with a heat die?