Best Available WB

sevisehda · 07-25-2004, 07:35 PM

I'm looking to upgrade my current system from home-made to high-end. I've checked the graphs and read up alot on blocks but many of the best performing blocks are hard or impossible to find. What is the current leading block that is available(in the US).

I'm looking for both a Socket A WB and a GPU block for my X800.

Thankyou for all your help.

greenman100 · 07-25-2004, 07:41 PM

mcw6000/2....dunno about gpu

pHaestus · 07-25-2004, 08:20 PM

With a suitably powerful pump the Danger Den TDX with nozzle #4 or #5 would perform a bit better than the MCW600x.

greenman100 · 07-25-2004, 09:10 PM

woah, hadn't seen that....

puts it pretty close to a cascade, no?

Butcher · 07-25-2004, 09:39 PM

Define best. Are you after maximum performance, best pricing, etc. Also if you're after perf you might want to state which other components you are using.

sevisehda · 07-26-2004, 05:28 AM

I'm looking for best performance with a water only system, no chiller or pelts yet.

I currently have 2 Mag3 Pumps, 2 Heatercores, the loop right now is pump(only using a single mag3), rads in a parallel, Y fittings to combine CPU, CPU(2 outlets), GPU and NB in parallel, it gets combines back up in the airtrap/res.

Once I get the blocks I was figuring on making a radbox then have the 2 pumps run seperate loops, loop 'A' would cool the CPU. Loop 'B' would cool GPU, NB, HD, ect.

Ewout_vB · 07-26-2004, 03:47 PM

PolarFLO TT CPU

As far as I know the best performer on the market.

And for your videocard wait a few weeks and they will release the chipset / vga waterblocks

GvL should have a review of the chipset/vga blocks before the end of august.

BillA · 07-26-2004, 03:59 PM

"As far as I know the best performer on the market."

care to share your knowledge ?

pHaestus · 07-26-2004, 04:02 PM

presumably this:

http://www.gruntville.com/reviews/wc/polarflo_tt_cpu/

I e-mailed Steve Saturday and asked for a TT to revuew. No response yet

Ewout_vB · 07-26-2004, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pHaestus

presumably this:

http://www.gruntville.com/reviews/wc/polarflo_tt_cpu/

I e-mailed Steve Saturday and asked for a TT to revuew. No response yet

I bet he'll be happy to give you one, once he reads the email. He was really excited about the GvL review being done so...

greenman100 · 07-26-2004, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pHaestus

presumably this:

http://www.gruntville.com/reviews/wc/polarflo_tt_cpu/

CPU temp lower than case when case air is pulled through the radiator?

double U
Teeee
Efffff

also interesting....

Quote:

it seems that PolarFLO has upped the ante a bit with a block that keeps the chip cool no matter what you throw at it in a multi-block system.

ah, nice, I've been looking for a block with a variable thermal resistance based on water temps

Ewout_vB · 07-26-2004, 04:15 PM

He meant with that is that he could not raise the temp by adding blocks in the circuit. And the temp being lower means its a hardware miscalculation.

greenman100 · 07-26-2004, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ewout_vB

I bet he'll be happy to give you one, once he reads the email. He was really excited about the GvL review being done so...

I bet he'll be a bit disappointed with the results, unfortunately

greenman100 · 07-26-2004, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ewout_vB

He meant with that is that he could not raise the temp by adding blocks in the circuit. And the temp being lower means its a hardware miscalculation.

you have a lot ot learn, "study some".

adding blocks (or keeping blocks constand and adding heat) will increase die temps. simple physics

so he has hardware miscalculations that bad, and he's supposed to be a credible review? :shrug:

Ewout_vB · 07-26-2004, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenman100

you have a lot ot learn, "study some".

adding blocks (or keeping blocks constand and adding heat) will increase die temps. simple physics

so he has hardware miscalculations that bad, and he's supposed to be a credible review? :shrug:

Right which the point hes trying to make, increasing the water temp did not increase the die temp. He was suprised by this too, but the guy from polarflo explained to him why this was so, you can email him if you want.

Anyway he'll probably get an ES soon so he'll test how overclocking of the actualy cpu instead of increasing the water temp effects the cpu temp.

pHaestus · 07-26-2004, 04:31 PM

"increasing the water temp did not increase the die temp."

??

DO post an explanation of that.

Wait I don't know if I actually want to see it. Here we go again.... sigh

Ewout_vB · 07-26-2004, 04:32 PM

Hey I didn't do the review lol, that's just the results he got.

cougem · 07-26-2004, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pHaestus

"increasing the water temp did not increase the die temp."

??

DO post an explanation of that.

Wait I don't know if I actually want to see it. Here we go again.... sigh

Cripes, that's funny!

I haven't got time to read the review again, but from memory was the delta worked out from case temp to die temp? If his rads are extneral and cooled with cooler air than the case temps, it might just be possible, though unlikely.

Ewout_vB · 07-26-2004, 04:39 PM

well the negative could have been achieved if he didn't measure the case temp each time? Maybe at one point it was higher than before? When he got the negative number the case temp was actualy lower?

And the radiator is on the inside and is blowing out air.

cougem · 07-26-2004, 04:49 PM

Well then that's bad scientific method isn't it? And that's a retorical questions isn't it?

Yes, it is.

Althornin · 07-26-2004, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ewout_vB

Right which the point hes trying to make, increasing the water temp did not increase the die temp. He was suprised by this too, but the guy from polarflo explained to him why this was so, you can email him if you want.

Ok, regardless of explanation: PHYSICAL IMPOSSIBILITY

Cathar · 07-26-2004, 07:07 PM

The Gruntville review is misinformative of the absolute highest order. Quite frankly I am surprised that any serious waterblock manufacturer would condone, let alone attempt to offer explanations other than "procedural and measurement inaccuracy" for such results.

greenman100 · 07-26-2004, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cathar

The Gruntville review is misinformative of the absolute highest order. Quite frankly I am surprised that any serious waterblock manufacturer would condone, let alone attempt to offer explanations other than "procedural and measurement inaccuracy" for such results.

better still is the end user's (Ewout_vB) blind belief of such explanations, then refusal to accept inaccuracies and DISinformation in said review.

Butcher · 07-26-2004, 08:09 PM

So where can I get one of these laws of physics defying waterblocks? Is there any risk of ripping the space-time continum or any other bad effects while using them? Also, does the same manufacturer carry perpetual motion machines, I've been looking for one for a while but they're quite hard to find.

Cathar · 07-26-2004, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butcher

So where can I get one of these laws of physics defying waterblocks?

Screw that - I want one of them 120mm radiators that is able to keep the water temperatures at 5C above in-case temperature with a fully loaded and overclocked P4.

Here's an interesting picture of their TDX test setup:

http://images.gruntville.com/images/...nsideflash.jpg

Seriously, "reviews" of this nature just make me angry.

07-25-2004, 07:35 PM	#1
sevisehda Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: NY Posts: 234	Best Available WB I'm looking to upgrade my current system from home-made to high-end. I've checked the graphs and read up alot on blocks but many of the best performing blocks are hard or impossible to find. What is the current leading block that is available(in the US). I'm looking for both a Socket A WB and a GPU block for my X800. Thankyou for all your help. __________________ CPU: Barton2500 @ 2.43 ghz MB: NF7S Rev2 RAM: 2x 256mb Kingston HyperX 3500 HD's: 2x 160gb SATA RAID GPU: Sapphire X800Pro VIVO -> XT Plat(softmod) 520/590

07-25-2004, 07:41 PM	#2
greenman100 Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 414	mcw6000/2....dunno about gpu __________________ "Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others have labored hard for." --Socrates "greenman100 = obnoxious ass hole"-gazorp

07-25-2004, 08:20 PM	#3
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	With a suitably powerful pump the Danger Den TDX with nozzle #4 or #5 would perform a bit better than the MCW600x. __________________ Getting paid like a biker with the best crank... -MF DOOM

07-26-2004, 05:28 AM	#6
sevisehda Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: NY Posts: 234	I'm looking for best performance with a water only system, no chiller or pelts yet. I currently have 2 Mag3 Pumps, 2 Heatercores, the loop right now is pump(only using a single mag3), rads in a parallel, Y fittings to combine CPU, CPU(2 outlets), GPU and NB in parallel, it gets combines back up in the airtrap/res. Once I get the blocks I was figuring on making a radbox then have the 2 pumps run seperate loops, loop 'A' would cool the CPU. Loop 'B' would cool GPU, NB, HD, ect. __________________ CPU: Barton2500 @ 2.43 ghz MB: NF7S Rev2 RAM: 2x 256mb Kingston HyperX 3500 HD's: 2x 160gb SATA RAID GPU: Sapphire X800Pro VIVO -> XT Plat(softmod) 520/590

07-26-2004, 04:02 PM	#9
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	presumably this: http://www.gruntville.com/reviews/wc/polarflo_tt_cpu/ I e-mailed Steve Saturday and asked for a TT to revuew. No response yet __________________ Getting paid like a biker with the best crank... -MF DOOM

07-25-2004, 09:10 PM	#4
greenman100 Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 414	woah, hadn't seen that.... puts it pretty close to a cascade, no? __________________ "Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others have labored hard for." --Socrates "greenman100 = obnoxious ass hole"-gazorp

07-25-2004, 09:39 PM	#5
Butcher Thermophile Join Date: May 2001 Location: UK Posts: 1,064	Define best. Are you after maximum performance, best pricing, etc. Also if you're after perf you might want to state which other components you are using. __________________ Once upon a time, in a land far far away...

07-26-2004, 03:47 PM	#7
Ewout_vB Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 112	PolarFLO TT CPU As far as I know the best performer on the market. And for your videocard wait a few weeks and they will release the chipset / vga waterblocks GvL should have a review of the chipset/vga blocks before the end of august.

07-26-2004, 03:59 PM	#8
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	"As far as I know the best performer on the market." care to share your knowledge ?

07-26-2004, 04:15 PM	#12
Ewout_vB Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 112	He meant with that is that he could not raise the temp by adding blocks in the circuit. And the temp being lower means its a hardware miscalculation.

07-26-2004, 04:31 PM	#16
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	"increasing the water temp did not increase the die temp." ?? DO post an explanation of that. Wait I don't know if I actually want to see it. Here we go again.... sigh __________________ Getting paid like a biker with the best crank... -MF DOOM

07-26-2004, 04:32 PM	#17
Ewout_vB Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 112	Hey I didn't do the review lol, that's just the results he got.

07-26-2004, 04:39 PM	#19
Ewout_vB Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 112	well the negative could have been achieved if he didn't measure the case temp each time? Maybe at one point it was higher than before? When he got the negative number the case temp was actualy lower? And the radiator is on the inside and is blowing out air.

07-26-2004, 04:49 PM	#20
cougem Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cambridge Uni Posts: 176	Well then that's bad scientific method isn't it? And that's a retorical questions isn't it? Yes, it is.

07-26-2004, 07:07 PM	#22
Cathar Thermophile Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,538	The Gruntville review is misinformative of the absolute highest order. Quite frankly I am surprised that any serious waterblock manufacturer would condone, let alone attempt to offer explanations other than "procedural and measurement inaccuracy" for such results.

07-26-2004, 08:09 PM	#24
Butcher Thermophile Join Date: May 2001 Location: UK Posts: 1,064	So where can I get one of these laws of physics defying waterblocks? Is there any risk of ripping the space-time continum or any other bad effects while using them? Also, does the same manufacturer carry perpetual motion machines, I've been looking for one for a while but they're quite hard to find. __________________ Once upon a time, in a land far far away...

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