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Unread 06-21-2005, 04:25 PM   #1
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Default Black Ice Sale at Danger Den!

Get em while theyre hot

http://www.dangerdenstore.com/home.php?cat=13

Although these are now super cheap, there is mention of a single pass versions of the normal black ice radiators from HW Labs called the X-Flow series if you want to keep saving your pennies

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Unread 06-21-2005, 05:57 PM   #2
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Get em while theyre hot

http://www.dangerdenstore.com/home.php?cat=13

Although these are now super cheap, there is mention of a single pass versions of the normal black ice radiators from HW Labs called the X-Flow series if you want to keep saving your pennies
Or get a CoolRad for in a few days for a couple of dollars less
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Unread 06-21-2005, 08:56 PM   #3
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OMG, i JUST bought a BIX from CoolTechnica for $54!!! man o' man.
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Unread 06-21-2005, 10:13 PM   #4
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Even at those prices I don't think I'd buy another BIX III. I've had two so far; I wasn't really impressed with the build quality of the first one and the second was a serious dissapointment since the entire rad was warped about 1/4" so it couldn't mount flush to the case (I "fixed" that with a foam rubber gasket, but it still should have been "flat"). The Thermochill 120.3 I've got waiting for a case is much better quality, but since it's a revision 3 model it doesn't have the cross-pieces to seal the area between the fans. So, untill the 40mm shrouds make it to the States or I break down and pay shipping from the UK, using it would also require making some kind of gasket to seal the fans to it. Life was sooo much easier with air cooling
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Unread 06-22-2005, 03:47 AM   #5
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Is WCooling in need right now of manufacturers producing and marketing imitations of the HWLabs radiators, at a cheaper price, or to come out with something new, performant and at a reasonable price?

If the HWLabs, had certain limitations (that BillA) already pointed out, what's the use of making new ones with the same limitations, e.g. the connections placement, and the fact that the second row has only around ~20% efficiency, compared to the first row.

If it's price you want get a heatercore.
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Unread 06-22-2005, 12:33 PM   #6
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Is WCooling in need right now of manufacturers producing and marketing imitations of the HWLabs radiators, at a cheaper price, or to come out with something new, performant and at a reasonable price?

If the HWLabs, had certain limitations (that BillA) already pointed out, what's the use of making new ones with the same limitations, e.g. the connections placement, and the fact that the second row has only around ~20% efficiency, compared to the first row.

If it's price you want get a heatercore.
$37 for a CoolRad is about the same cost as a heater core with the necessary mods.
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Unread 06-22-2005, 12:37 PM   #7
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$37 for a CoolRad is about the same cost as a heater core with the necessary mods.
The $37 cost includes the shroud?
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Unread 06-22-2005, 01:18 PM   #8
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The $37 cost includes the shroud?

Humm.....do you think I should?
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Unread 06-22-2005, 07:32 PM   #9
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Brians256 The answer is yes
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Unread 06-23-2005, 12:45 AM   #10
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Depends, if you have the space a heater core is great, but for people like me with a cramped case the BIX is a pretty nice alternative. Ive liked mine so far, although I think the fan mounting holes need some revision, It was a little scary trying to get threaded rods through my then $90 chrome one.
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Unread 06-23-2005, 04:48 AM   #11
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but since it's a revision 3 model it doesn't have the cross-pieces to seal the area between the fans. So, untill the 40mm shrouds make it to the States or I break down and pay shipping from the UK, using it would also require making some kind of gasket to seal the fans to it.
ThermoChill Rev 3 radiators should all be supplied with a neoprene adhesive gasket specifically for this purpose. Contact whoever you bought it off, as they all leave here with neoprene gaskets prepacked in the box with the rad... what the resellers do with them however is anyone's guess.
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Unread 06-24-2005, 04:51 PM   #12
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ThermoChill Rev 3 radiators should all be supplied with a neoprene adhesive gasket specifically for this purpose. Contact whoever you bought it off, as they all leave here with neoprene gaskets prepacked in the box with the rad... what the resellers do with them however is anyone's guess.
I bought it from Danger Den, and it did have one munched (but not torn) neoprene gasket in the box. But, I'm using it in a push/pull configuration so I'm still short at least one gasket (assuming I can "flatten" out the one I have). When I wrote back to Danger Den asking if I could buy another gasket, they said that they did have some but the person responding had no idea what they'd cost--I haven't received any follow-up. They completly ignored my request for information on when they'd have the 40mm shrouds or whether they'd supply the missing spare washer for the bleed valve. Honestly, I think all of their effort right now is going to their new deal with Hardware Labs and everything else is being pushed to the back burner.

I did write to Over-Clock.co.uk yesterday morning asking for an estimate on what it would cost to ship 2 40mm shrouds and 4 neoprene gaskets to New York, but I haven't heard back yet (I forgot to ask about a spare washer or two). I may just place an order and live with the shipping....
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Unread 06-27-2005, 04:15 AM   #13
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I'll sneak onto one of sales' machines and find yer e-mail and bump it thru for ya...
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Unread 06-27-2005, 03:12 PM   #14
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I'd like to see an inexpensive 8cm rad. One that is single pass, low depth, low fin count. If you could sell them for $20 apiece (unrealistic) you could retrofit a lot of cases very easily. You'd probably need at least two of them per case. It would bring watercooling closer to mainstream. I know it was a PITA for me to mod my 6070 to accept a BIP at the front. For most, such an experience often results in giving up on watercooling all together.
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Unread 06-27-2005, 05:27 PM   #15
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I did write to Over-Clock.co.uk yesterday morning asking for an estimate on what it would cost to ship 2 40mm shrouds and 4 neoprene gaskets to New York, but I haven't heard back yet (I forgot to ask about a spare washer or two). I may just place an order and live with the shipping....

If funds allow order 3 or 4 sets (2xshrouds, 2xgaskets) and sell them on, save yourself some on the shipping. From what I have read there are a fair few people who want them over there.

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