Swiftech Storm :)

[nikhsub1]

http://www.swiftnets.com/products/Storm.asp

I just want to congratulate Stew, Bill and Swiftech on an awesome job! There is no other company I would entrust to make this block. You guys did a superb job! Have a few beers on me! Cheers!

[EnJoY]

Seconded! Swiftech will do the job right, which brings me to this:

"Swiftech fine-tuned the design to yield slightly better performance than the original in terms of thermal and flow resistance."

Is this true? Did they basically make a copper G5 or what?

[nikhsub1]

Originally Posted by EnJoY

Seconded! Swiftech will do the job right, which brings me to this:

"Swiftech fine-tuned the design to yield slightly better performance than the original in terms of thermal and flow resistance."

Is this true? Did they basically make a copper G5 or what?

No they did not make a G5, the G5 is a different design... they did what it says, 'fine tuned'. Not surprising with Bill and Stew though...

[EnJoY]

I thought the G5 was a "fine tuned" G4, guess I was wrong. I'll be interested in seeing a comparison between Swifty's Storm and Cathar's Storm.

[Bloody_Sorcerer]

G5 is a silver G4, i believe. I think it also has some small changes (more holes/jets)?
Also, i love you cathar and swiftech

[Cathar]

Originally Posted by EnJoY

"Swiftech fine-tuned the design to yield slightly better performance than the original in terms of thermal and flow resistance."

Copied from my response at OC Forums:

"It's been almost 12 months since the original design was laid down and subsequently tested. Been able to make a few little improvements here and there in that time to tweak it out to be better flow-per-flow right across the entire flow range, and with a slightly lower pressure drop to boot.

On the performance per hydraulic power graph, which IMO is the single best indicator of a design's performance & efficiency, it is almost uniformally about 3% better (i.e. 3% lower temps) with any given pump."

I thought the G5 was a "fine tuned" G4, guess I was wrong. I'll be interested in seeing a comparison between Swifty's Storm and Cathar's Storm.
Today 02:17 PM

The "Storm" design is a set of geometrically scalable design parameters where the further you scale it the higher the performance and the higher complexity and cost to manufacture.

The G5 is a 5th level scaling of the reference design parameters, and a G4 is a 4th level scaling. They are two distinct block designs drawn from the same design reference.

The G5 was also done in silver just to give it a little extra performance edge.

The Storm reference design has evolved and been refined over the last 12 months to accomodate the improvements that both Swiftech and I have wrought/discovered.

[j813]

Did you sold your design to Swiftech?

[Dave]

Very cool Stew !

[Cathar]

Originally Posted by j813

Did you sold your design to Swiftech?

Swiftech and I have an agreement with specific respect to the Storm/G4 level of the design.

[Jag]

Smart move by Swiftech.
Now, all there is to do is to choose a new radiator to go with this block.
I wonder who is the chosen one - the new HWLabs single-pass rads or the PA160.1 from Thermochill?

[dogbait]

Originally Posted by Jag

Smart move by Swiftech.
Now, all there is to do is to choose a new radiator to go with this block.
I wonder who is the chosen one - the new HWLabs single-pass rads or the PA160.1 from Thermochill?

I'm surprised something like this had not happened sooner tbh. I would also think/hope the PA160.1 would be the radiator of choice due to it being 'Cathar certified' (Cathar the number of products you've had a hand in, I'd say a shiny sticker saying 'Cathar woz ere' is way overdue )

Although the exchange rate between US/UK is pretty crummy for Swiftech right now, so that does make Thermochill rads expensive in the US.

[EnJoY]

Originally Posted by Cathar

Copied from my response at OC Forums:

"It's been almost 12 months since the original design was laid down and subsequently tested. Been able to make a few little improvements here and there in that time to tweak it out to be better flow-per-flow right across the entire flow range, and with a slightly lower pressure drop to boot.

On the performance per hydraulic power graph, which IMO is the single best indicator of a design's performance & efficiency, it is almost uniformally about 3% better (i.e. 3% lower temps) with any given pump."



The "Storm" design is a set of geometrically scalable design parameters where the further you scale it the higher the performance and the higher complexity and cost to manufacture.

The G5 is a 5th level scaling of the reference design parameters, and a G4 is a 4th level scaling. They are two distinct block designs drawn from the same design reference.

The G5 was also done in silver just to give it a little extra performance edge.

The Storm reference design has evolved and been refined over the last 12 months to accomodate the improvements that both Swiftech and I have wrought/discovered.

Nothing like hearing straight from the horses mouth. Thanks for clearing that up for me Stew.

[Brians256]

Nice job, Stew and Bill! I hope to see this commercially available SOON. Now, if you pair this in a kit with a DDC350, a PA160.1 type radiator and a bay res....

[Autobot]

Great to hear this finally come to fruition! Last night I ordered mine direct from Swiftech. It should work well with my WCing loop...
DD TDX (will be replaced with Swiftech Storm)
DD Acetal-topped Maze4GPU
Swiftech MCP655
DD dual-120 HC
DD dual-5.25 bay resevoir
MasterKleer 7/16ID tubing

[kaotic504]

now i want THAT block, now what do do w/ my MCP 6000 and my TT??

[Autobot]

I'd sell them and use the money towards that Thermochill PA160.

[allnighter]

Congrats to Swiftech, Bill and Stew. I was wondering why this hasn't happened before. It's a good thing that Storm will become available for the masses now. To take all the production woes and free up some time for Cathar to focus on other things. Again, congrats! This is really great news.

[Jag]

Originally Posted by Brians256

Nice job, Stew and Bill! I hope to see this commercially available SOON. Now, if you pair this in a kit with a DDC350, a PA160.1 type radiator and a bay res....

I think that a better option would be a MCP655, and using the dial to adjust the flow to your needs.
As for sure Swiftech has a strategy, this pump is a fundamental part of it, is it not?
Alas, maybe now we will get the chance of seeing some real-world reviews of this (revised) pump.

[bigben2k]

Good news for the water cooling community, Swiftech, and Cathar.

For some reason, I'm feeling left out: http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=6101
:shrug:

[starbuck3733t]

Great news Stew!

Man, I feel like my G5 is now going to be a little piece of watercooling history!

[jaydee]

Glad a large company like Swiftech can make use of Cathars design. Can't see any loosers in that move (other than the competition).

[pauldenton]

Nylon Fittings: 1/4" NPSM to 3/8" or 1/2" barbs

i guess that'll allow a smaller range of possible other fittings than the original's 3/8" BSPP...

[Cathar]

Thanks everyone. This is as much of Swiftech's day as mine though. It's been my dream to be able to bring something like this into mass production and Swiftech is one of the companies which have established themselves as a company with which I am wholly satisfied to be working with.

Originally Posted by bigben2k

For some reason, I'm feeling left out: http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=6101
:shrug:

Hi Ben,

That concept was partially implemented and largely explored in the Cascade for which I gave you credit wherever I could even though I had been exploring the same sort of ideas independently, but sought to include you in its derivation as a mark of respect.

The Storm's design is fairly advanced evolving of that very basic concept, incorporating many hundreds of hours of research and many thousands of dollars of prototyping and research that initially went into a working and performance version of the Cascade, and repeated again with the Storm design extension.

Thank you (again) for your initial sketches and contribution though, even if by now the differences are somewhat comparable to Leonardo Da Vinci's first drawings and plans for a submarine, and an actual modern evolved working version of one.

Cheers.

[kaotic504]

Cathar- you're like a WC legend now, like an artist getting his displayed around the world. congratulations!

[bigben2k]

Originally Posted by Cathar

Hi Ben,

That concept was partially implemented and largely explored in the Cascade for which I gave you credit wherever I could even though I had been exploring the same sort of ideas independently, but sought to include you in its derivation as a mark of respect.

The Storm's design is fairly advanced evolving of that very basic concept, incorporating many hundreds of hours of research and many thousands of dollars of prototyping and research that initially went into a working and performance version of the Cascade, and repeated again with the Storm design extension.

Thank you (again) for your initial sketches and contribution though, even if by now the differences are somewhat comparable to Leonardo Da Vinci's first drawings and plans for a submarine, and an actual modern evolved working version of one.

Cheers.

Cheers.

I'm working on another design too.