Ram water blocks

Dukemurmur · 09-27-2005, 10:32 AM

Well water cooling ram has always interrested me an I have always though that there was a abetter way than what i have seen so i came up with my own design to be used with chilled water. With chilled water the top will be copper unless someone knows of a clear low temp plastic as insulation wont be used because I am making a nitrogen sealed box so that you can see the block and all.

There is another block for the back side and the last two screw holes screw them together and the notches in the back ar to go over the locking tabs.

Duke

bigben2k · 09-27-2005, 10:53 AM

What if you have two sticks of RAM?

[Snowman] · 09-27-2005, 10:59 AM

zachjowi · 09-27-2005, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by [Snowman]

that looks awsome. Did you make it? Could you also please post some more pictures of them.

[Snowman] · 09-27-2005, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by zachjowi

that looks awsome. Did you make it? Could you also please post some more pictures of them.

i dident make them

Dukemurmur · 09-27-2005, 11:19 AM

That is why it is for DFI NF4 there is enough space to fit them in.

Blackeagle · 09-27-2005, 12:07 PM

http://www.directron.com/blaframcooler.html

A copper version of these?

Just need to add a copper spiral turbulator to your version.

Like the fact you are using copper instead of aluminum, much better. I'd also suggest you use a drill press to dimple the surface the water flows over for more surface, may as well get all the performance you can while going to this much trouble.

Dukemurmur · 09-27-2005, 12:25 PM

That is where I got the basic design idea but look at mine and look at theres they have to epoxy theres on i dont...also the fins will provide more that enough cooling for ram as mine are going to be used with chilled wqater not normal water.

Duke

Blackeagle · 09-27-2005, 03:52 PM

Directon carried ones have 4 screws to hold them, 1 per corner.

Did not note fins in your first post, and dimples would be easy. Just throwing out ideas bro.

EDIT:

Duh! Now relized you were refering to the attachment to the RAM stick, not how the block it's self is held together.

Still pretty easy to hold with a number of differant clip types I can think of. Or very small clamp.

Dunno · 09-27-2005, 05:43 PM

Hmm Nice!

Been looking into this.
Theres a big debate as to wether its worth it:
Most agree that air cooling (HSs & fan/s) is as good if you use normal water cooling. Unless you are going for quiet.
Chilled water seems to give good results.

j813 · 09-27-2005, 09:50 PM

What do you do to the Hose so that it would not bend the RAMs, and how would you stick the block to the RAMs?

ricecrispi · 09-28-2005, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunno

Hmm Nice!

Been looking into this.
Theres a big debate as to wether its worth it:
Most agree that air cooling (HSs & fan/s) is as good if you use normal water cooling. Unless you are going for quiet.
Chilled water seems to give good results.

Agreed!! Not worth it if you get the same results from a low voltage fan blowing directly over them. I had winbond bh-5 at 3.2 and 3.6 volts and they stay nice and cold with a fan blowing in their vicinity.

I think the new patriot ram style heatsink with some good airflow is sufficient.

[Snowman] · 09-28-2005, 07:21 AM

Dukemurmur · 09-28-2005, 07:50 AM

Those work like crap look at the surface area the water covers it has to go up the Cu then the 1/16th thick plate touches where the water goes through if you ask my that isnt ANY better than a heat spreader there was a guy that made something like that on a spanish forum...i know that i put TT ram sinks on my UTT and a fan and i gaind 5 MHx just from that so water migh gain 1-2 more MHz so with chilled water I am hopping for about 20+ over air and to it is worth it.

Dragon

BTW those block do look nice...

bigben2k · 09-28-2005, 09:46 AM

It definitely wasn't worth it for DDR, but DDR2 has a power output that could be as much as three times higher: we'd have to revisit that question, but I think that the answer is still going to be: "no".

Dukemurmur · 09-28-2005, 10:46 AM

Not for TCCD no it isnt but for high voltage highe speed tight timmied UT or BH-5 2 me it is well worth it. I mean TCCD speeds with UTT timmings.

I am thinking about change the inlets making them more of an elipse but still have the 1/2 area so that i can make the side tops of the blocks thiner so that they can be more easily fir in DC boards...Not that i plain on going comercial with these only because it will be pain for me as i am in school...but i have a few revisions already thought up for them that i might implemint today but idk.

Dragon

Dunno · 09-28-2005, 03:55 PM

I also have BH-5 RAM, so am watching this thread Dukemurmur.

When can we expect some Benchies?

Found 2 small, matched HSF + Pelts off of P1 233 CPUs and am thinking of perhaps using them on a milled copper RAM cooler thingy.

PS:
After reading Bigben2K's post it looks as though this may become mainstream some time in the future. People laughed when I first WCd my CPU.

Cptn. Foo Foo · 09-29-2005, 02:13 AM

I built waterblocks for my DDR RAM back in the day. It was fun but ultimately overkill (and actually quite dangerous as I found out).

I had two sticks of Corsair PC2400 RAM (yes...this was before the PC2700 standard was finalized). I was running -30'c coolant and was able to run that RAM at 210MHz or so on my old Abit KT266a motherboard (remember that chipset

) I had pics and benchmark scores and everything posted in the old AMDZone forum (before it crashed and I lost all my work logs and the like). Oh its all coming back now...running my AXIA 1000MHz Thunderbird at 1750MHz...

However, I ended up killing one of the sticks when the assembly ended up pulling the RAM right out of the board when the system was running. I found out the hard way those little tabs that hold the RAM in arent really too strong

Over time the RAM was being pulled out and eventually one day it happened and that dreaded horrible emergency BEEEEEP happened. Im sure you can reconstruct in your mind the next 15 minutes of the story.

Basically, its not worth it if you cant secure the RAM in place. My $0.02...

[Snowman] · 09-29-2005, 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cptn. Foo Foo

I built waterblocks for my DDR RAM back in the day. It was fun but ultimately overkill (and actually quite dangerous as I found out).

I had two sticks of Corsair PC2400 RAM (yes...this was before the PC2700 standard was finalized). I was running -30'c coolant and was able to run that RAM at 210MHz or so on my old Abit KT266a motherboard (remember that chipset

) I had pics and benchmark scores and everything posted in the old AMDZone forum (before it crashed and I lost all my work logs and the like). Oh its all coming back now...running my AXIA 1000MHz Thunderbird at 1750MHz...

However, I ended up killing one of the sticks when the assembly ended up pulling the RAM right out of the board when the system was running. I found out the hard way those little tabs that hold the RAM in arent really too strong

Over time the RAM was being pulled out and eventually one day it happened and that dreaded horrible emergency BEEEEEP happened. Im sure you can reconstruct in your mind the next 15 minutes of the story.

Basically, its not worth it if you cant secure the RAM in place. My $0.02...

if you ondly have like 10-5 liters / min splitet on 4 G1/4, it cant bild that high presur so it pulling the RAM right out of the board.

Dukemurmur · 09-29-2005, 07:31 AM

My pipes are cooming in throu the lexan top so there will be downward pressuer if anything.

Duke

Dukemurmur · 03-25-2006, 06:40 PM

Well i know have a new project that i am working on here...it is d-ice cooling for the ram...i got the insperation from seeing the guy on XS that cooled his bh with phase change...so i am hoping to break the record or to maybe kill my ram...one of the 2...

Duke

Lord Murray · 04-08-2006, 07:37 PM

From Argentina, my wb for the RAM memory

before the "cromado" (chromium plating ?)

sorry but my ingles is not very good

Next to the wb for de ram of vga

Saludos

davidzo · 04-09-2006, 08:47 AM

ser bellÃ*simo

very nice coolers and a nice ramcooler solution, though they could have been better polished before chrom-palating it. Must have been quite expensive to chrome-plate it otherwise you have somespecial ressources for that. I didn't thought of that way to arrange the fittings on the ramcoolers before, very interesting. but it could get a little messy with tubing if you use that with 4 rams.

It would be nice from you to add that pics to the homebuilt blocks gallery.

bigben2k · 04-09-2006, 06:33 PM

I like that video card ram block idea; never seen it done that way before. Nice work!

Yeah, put it up in the block gallery:
http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=9263

davidzo · 07-22-2006, 09:50 PM

I just finished my delrin topped DRAM Waterblock for two modules.

It features 4 3*3mm channels and a14*2mm channel in the top to reduce restriction and it has G1/4" Threads.

09-27-2005, 10:32 AM	#1
Dukemurmur Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Up in the boon'dox Posts: 18	Ram water blocks Well water cooling ram has always interrested me an I have always though that there was a abetter way than what i have seen so i came up with my own design to be used with chilled water. With chilled water the top will be copper unless someone knows of a clear low temp plastic as insulation wont be used because I am making a nitrogen sealed box so that you can see the block and all. There is another block for the back side and the last two screw holes screw them together and the notches in the back ar to go over the locking tabs. Duke Last edited by Dukemurmur; 09-29-2005 at 08:06 AM.

09-27-2005, 10:53 AM	#2
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	What if you have two sticks of RAM? __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

09-27-2005, 03:52 PM	#9
Blackeagle Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: U.S.A = Michigan Posts: 1,243	Directon carried ones have 4 screws to hold them, 1 per corner. Did not note fins in your first post, and dimples would be easy. Just throwing out ideas bro. EDIT: Duh! Now relized you were refering to the attachment to the RAM stick, not how the block it's self is held together. Still pretty easy to hold with a number of differant clip types I can think of. Or very small clamp. Last edited by Blackeagle; 09-27-2005 at 08:35 PM.

09-28-2005, 09:46 AM	#15
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	It definitely wasn't worth it for DDR, but DDR2 has a power output that could be as much as three times higher: we'd have to revisit that question, but I think that the answer is still going to be: "no". __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

09-28-2005, 03:55 PM	#17
Dunno Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: South Africa Posts: 82	I also have BH-5 RAM, so am watching this thread Dukemurmur. When can we expect some Benchies? Found 2 small, matched HSF + Pelts off of P1 233 CPUs and am thinking of perhaps using them on a milled copper RAM cooler thingy. PS: After reading Bigben2K's post it looks as though this may become mainstream some time in the future. People laughed when I first WCd my CPU. Last edited by Dunno; 09-28-2005 at 04:00 PM.

09-27-2005, 10:59 AM	#3
[Snowman] Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 41

09-27-2005, 11:19 AM	#6
Dukemurmur Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Up in the boon'dox Posts: 18	That is why it is for DFI NF4 there is enough space to fit them in.

09-27-2005, 12:07 PM	#7
Blackeagle Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: U.S.A = Michigan Posts: 1,243	http://www.directron.com/blaframcooler.html A copper version of these? Just need to add a copper spiral turbulator to your version. Like the fact you are using copper instead of aluminum, much better. I'd also suggest you use a drill press to dimple the surface the water flows over for more surface, may as well get all the performance you can while going to this much trouble.

09-27-2005, 12:25 PM	#8
Dukemurmur Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Up in the boon'dox Posts: 18	That is where I got the basic design idea but look at mine and look at theres they have to epoxy theres on i dont...also the fins will provide more that enough cooling for ram as mine are going to be used with chilled wqater not normal water. Duke

09-27-2005, 05:43 PM	#10
Dunno Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: South Africa Posts: 82	Hmm Nice! Been looking into this. Theres a big debate as to wether its worth it: Most agree that air cooling (HSs & fan/s) is as good if you use normal water cooling. Unless you are going for quiet. Chilled water seems to give good results.

09-27-2005, 09:50 PM	#11
j813 Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: southeast asia Posts: 164	What do you do to the Hose so that it would not bend the RAMs, and how would you stick the block to the RAMs?

09-28-2005, 07:21 AM	#13
[Snowman] Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 41

09-28-2005, 07:50 AM	#14
Dukemurmur Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Up in the boon'dox Posts: 18	Those work like crap look at the surface area the water covers it has to go up the Cu then the 1/16th thick plate touches where the water goes through if you ask my that isnt ANY better than a heat spreader there was a guy that made something like that on a spanish forum...i know that i put TT ram sinks on my UTT and a fan and i gaind 5 MHx just from that so water migh gain 1-2 more MHz so with chilled water I am hopping for about 20+ over air and to it is worth it. Dragon BTW those block do look nice...

09-28-2005, 10:46 AM	#16
Dukemurmur Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Up in the boon'dox Posts: 18	Not for TCCD no it isnt but for high voltage highe speed tight timmied UT or BH-5 2 me it is well worth it. I mean TCCD speeds with UTT timmings. I am thinking about change the inlets making them more of an elipse but still have the 1/2 area so that i can make the side tops of the blocks thiner so that they can be more easily fir in DC boards...Not that i plain on going comercial with these only because it will be pain for me as i am in school...but i have a few revisions already thought up for them that i might implemint today but idk. Dragon

09-29-2005, 02:13 AM	#18
Cptn. Foo Foo Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Posts: 95	I built waterblocks for my DDR RAM back in the day. It was fun but ultimately overkill (and actually quite dangerous as I found out). I had two sticks of Corsair PC2400 RAM (yes...this was before the PC2700 standard was finalized). I was running -30'c coolant and was able to run that RAM at 210MHz or so on my old Abit KT266a motherboard (remember that chipset ) I had pics and benchmark scores and everything posted in the old AMDZone forum (before it crashed and I lost all my work logs and the like). Oh its all coming back now...running my AXIA 1000MHz Thunderbird at 1750MHz... However, I ended up killing one of the sticks when the assembly ended up pulling the RAM right out of the board when the system was running. I found out the hard way those little tabs that hold the RAM in arent really too strong Over time the RAM was being pulled out and eventually one day it happened and that dreaded horrible emergency BEEEEEP happened. Im sure you can reconstruct in your mind the next 15 minutes of the story. Basically, its not worth it if you cant secure the RAM in place. My $0.02...

09-29-2005, 07:31 AM	#20
Dukemurmur Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Up in the boon'dox Posts: 18	My pipes are cooming in throu the lexan top so there will be downward pressuer if anything. Duke

03-25-2006, 06:40 PM	#21
Dukemurmur Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Up in the boon'dox Posts: 18	Re: Ram water blocks Well i know have a new project that i am working on here...it is d-ice cooling for the ram...i got the insperation from seeing the guy on XS that cooled his bh with phase change...so i am hoping to break the record or to maybe kill my ram...one of the 2... Duke

04-08-2006, 07:37 PM	#22
Lord Murray Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Argentina Posts: 2	Re: Ram water blocks From Argentina, my wb for the RAM memory before the "cromado" (chromium plating ?) sorry but my ingles is not very good Next to the wb for de ram of vga Saludos Last edited by Lord Murray; 04-08-2006 at 07:47 PM.

04-09-2006, 08:47 AM	#23
davidzo Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hamburg Posts: 141	Re: Ram water blocks ser bellÃ*simo very nice coolers and a nice ramcooler solution, though they could have been better polished before chrom-palating it. Must have been quite expensive to chrome-plate it otherwise you have somespecial ressources for that. I didn't thought of that way to arrange the fittings on the ramcoolers before, very interesting. but it could get a little messy with tubing if you use that with 4 rams. It would be nice from you to add that pics to the homebuilt blocks gallery.

04-09-2006, 06:33 PM	#24
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Re: Ram water blocks I like that video card ram block idea; never seen it done that way before. Nice work! Yeah, put it up in the block gallery: http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=9263 __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

07-22-2006, 09:50 PM	#25
davidzo Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hamburg Posts: 141	Re: Ram water blocks I just finished my delrin topped DRAM Waterblock for two modules. It features 4 33mm channels and a142mm channel in the top to reduce restriction and it has G1/4" Threads.

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