Anyone seen a similar design as this block?

jaydee · 03-09-2002, 10:21 AM

I know BeCooling has the Jagged Edge that looks similar but the channels are vertical instead of horizontal like mine. And this one is only going to use a 1/4" wide by 3/8" deep channel. I just started on it this morning as I thought it up last night while browsing around and seeing blocks with 1/4" channels doing ok. So my goal here is to make a deep 3/8" channel and only 1/4" wide. That may make the water compress a little and absorb more heat on it's way out?

Anyway this block will be mounted with my Duron 1gig in my SX830 case which I have been staling on getting at. Being I am working on a Local job for work this week I may have some time to get it done. And I may pick up a LapTop today so I will have a comp to use while working on the SX. I may even try out a Acrylic top on this one being looks will be an issue(thats why I am using Copper aswell). I plan on putting in a Window on the side cover so it will be visable.

I actually think this block will handle a XP just fine aswell, but the 1gig morgan Dunron is all I need now anyway and quite is now an issue.

Xel · 03-09-2002, 12:30 PM

Those pictures reminded me of something, has anyone ever tried alternating depth levels for the water channels to create turbulence? Almost ever single waterblock I've seen has a smooth bottom, but then everyone is always trying to create turbulence horizontally instead...

jaydee · 03-09-2002, 12:58 PM

I have thought about milling it 1/4" deep and then drilling a bunch of 1/8" wide by 1/8" deep holes to do just that. But being this isn't going to be a perfromance block I am not going to. I think my original design may do a little better that way though.

futRtrubL · 03-09-2002, 01:26 PM

One thing jaydee, water is uncompessible. ;']

Edward

jaydee · 03-09-2002, 04:05 PM

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Originally posted by futRtrubL
One thing jaydee, water is uncompessible. ;']

Edward

Yeah I know, that was the best I could come up with at the time to make my point.

I ment it may make it run faster through the channels having a narrow deep one as oposed to a wide deep one. Not sure if that is even close to being logical though?!?!

mx-6* · 03-09-2002, 04:41 PM

Yeah, same surface area but faster flow even though actual system flow would probably decrease.

Brad · 03-09-2002, 05:30 PM

jaydee, you should test it with the channels that size, then make the channels 1/8" deeper, try again, make them 1/8" deeper again, and do this until your temps just start to go up again

jaydee · 03-09-2002, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by Brad
jaydee, you should test it with the channels that size, then make the channels 1/8" deeper, try again, make them 1/8" deeper again, and do this until your temps just start to go up again

I can test it at 1/4" deep and then 3/8" deep. 3/8 will only leave 1/8" for the base so I don't want to go lower. If it does work very well at 3/8" I may try it with a whole new block at the above steps as this one isn't about performance. As long as it keeps the stock Duron 1gig under 50C it will be just fine. Hell the Volcano 6Cu+ keeps it at 35C!!!. I like this CPU a lot. I set it to 133FSB and it is damn near as fast as a 1gig T-Bird being it is on the Morgan core which is the XP pretty much.

Just bought a LapTop today so I am going to get everything setup on it so I can tear into this one.

Brad · 03-09-2002, 05:43 PM

ok, cool, I'd be interested to see what the differance would be. also, could you make the channels a little wider as well?

jaydee · 03-09-2002, 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by Brad
ok, cool, I'd be interested to see what the differance would be. also, could you make the channels a little wider as well?

I am pretty sure I can make them 3/8". If this one works out I will try the 3/8" wide channel and test it in 1/16" increments starting at 1/4" deep. But that all depends on if this one works decently, whick I think it will.

Brad · 03-09-2002, 06:36 PM

the setup depends on your rad, pump, and other factors too, compared to what other people have, but I think you should be able to find the perfect point fairly easily

jaydee · 03-09-2002, 07:09 PM

I think it should do pretty good for lower GPH pumps like 150-200GPH. I am going to hook up my little 200GPH to it and see how it does.

If i had any 3/8" bits left I would have done it 3/8". But i don't right now. I wanted to try it in 1/4" anyway. i can always remill it to 3/8" later. By the time I get done with it the 1/4" will probably be shot as it isn't made for copper milling.

Fixittt · 03-09-2002, 07:26 PM

Jay what vise U using on your mill, and how much was it?

I machined a few copper spiral tops and man does my mill NOT like copper either!

I think that if you made the 1/4 channels then reset your Y axis and X axis a little off, then it will go in and make it wider

jaydee · 03-09-2002, 08:01 PM

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Originally posted by Fixittt
Jay what vise U using on your mill, and how much was it?

I machined a few copper spiral tops and man does my mill NOT like copper either!

I think that if you made the 1/4 channels then reset your Y axis and X axis a little off, then it will go in and make it wider

here is the vise: http://www.acumotion.com/millvise.htm It was about $62.00.

Also I am using the handwheels (not the CNC) on this one. So all I have to do is crank the hand wheel over a bit and it will bore the channels a little wider. But I doubt I will have much left of the endmill once I finish it. I am going to order some new endmills later next week. I am going to pick up some tin and/or carbide tipped ones for the copper.

Fixittt · 03-09-2002, 11:38 PM

yeah, I looked at that vise a while back, Its way to small for my tastes, doesnt open wide enought for me to do anything with my Spir@ls.

Right now I am using a vise that Paul at A-1 Machine (where I used to work) made me. he made it in 2 hours off the top of his head. No prints. That boy is GOOD!

jaydee · 03-10-2002, 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by Fixittt
yeah, I looked at that vise a while back, Its way to small for my tastes, doesnt open wide enought for me to do anything with my Spir@ls.

Right now I am using a vise that Paul at A-1 Machine (where I used to work) made me. he made it in 2 hours off the top of his head. No prints. That boy is GOOD!

Yeah, it is small but any larger and I will not work as I run out of travel. It fits a 2" wide peice of stock just perfect and that is all I need as that is as wide as I will go for the blocks anyway.

Fixittt · 03-10-2002, 11:43 AM

Yeah but for my stuff, I need at least 2.5 inches wide. I am looking at drawing up a little bit bigger vise and seeing if I cant "BRIBE" Paul into making a couple. If I can get him to, U want one?

jaydee · 03-10-2002, 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by Fixittt
Yeah but for my stuff, I need at least 2.5 inches wide. I am looking at drawing up a little bit bigger vise and seeing if I cant "BRIBE" Paul into making a couple. If I can get him to, U want one?

Hell yeah. I can always use a bigger vise. I wanted a 2.5" but they didn't have one. That would help with the chillers I was planning as they would be 2.5" wide.

Fixittt · 03-10-2002, 10:07 PM

alright then, I will see if I can sweet talk Paul into making a few new vises.

How much money U got LOL

jaydee · 03-10-2002, 10:21 PM

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Originally posted by Fixittt
alright then, I will see if I can sweet talk Paul into making a few new vises.

How much money U got LOL

Keep it around $65 and I am in!!!

Back to the original subject i milled another 1/8" out of the block today. Another 1/8" and I should be ther.

Probably next weekend. Long day today, didn't get to do as much stuff as i wanted to.

Laptop rocks!!! Already don't know how I lived without it!!! Love the touch pad mouse deal. Anyway I will post back when the block is done. Going to buy some Acrylic sheet for my window in the case and I should be able to get enough to do the top peice out of it. This will be late next week or on the weekend though as I need to get paid first!!!

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Fixittt · 03-10-2002, 10:29 PM

Is that block your cutting into copper?

if it is, I am sure that your mill HATES IT!!!!!!!!!

jaydee · 03-10-2002, 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by Fixittt
Is that block your cutting into copper?

if it is, I am sure that your mill HATES IT!!!!!!!!!

Yes it is Copper!!! Al would have taken me a few minutes, but I wanted a Copper one for show purposes. I am not even using the right type of bit for the job. That is why it isn't done yet.

jaydee · 03-15-2002, 10:09 PM

Ain't it purdy!!

Not to bad for doing it manually without the CNC. Milling is done. the channels are 5/16" wide and 5/16" deep. Tomorrow I will figure out what i will do for the top and then it should be done.

Brad · 03-15-2002, 11:28 PM

now this just works really well

jaydee · 03-16-2002, 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by Brad
now this just works really well

There you go with the duel outlets again!!!

Good Idea though. I could double the flow rate possibly. But I don't need to one this one. If it works halfway decent I am going to consider making a AL version (with the CNC) with 3/8" channels and experiment with it.

03-09-2002, 10:21 AM	#1
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Anyone seen a similar design as this block? I know BeCooling has the Jagged Edge that looks similar but the channels are vertical instead of horizontal like mine. And this one is only going to use a 1/4" wide by 3/8" deep channel. I just started on it this morning as I thought it up last night while browsing around and seeing blocks with 1/4" channels doing ok. So my goal here is to make a deep 3/8" channel and only 1/4" wide. That may make the water compress a little and absorb more heat on it's way out? Anyway this block will be mounted with my Duron 1gig in my SX830 case which I have been staling on getting at. Being I am working on a Local job for work this week I may have some time to get it done. And I may pick up a LapTop today so I will have a comp to use while working on the SX. I may even try out a Acrylic top on this one being looks will be an issue(thats why I am using Copper aswell). I plan on putting in a Window on the side cover so it will be visable. I actually think this block will handle a XP just fine aswell, but the 1gig morgan Dunron is all I need now anyway and quite is now an issue.

03-09-2002, 05:30 PM	#7
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	jaydee, you should test it with the channels that size, then make the channels 1/8" deeper, try again, make them 1/8" deeper again, and do this until your temps just start to go up again __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

03-09-2002, 05:43 PM	#9
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	ok, cool, I'd be interested to see what the differance would be. also, could you make the channels a little wider as well? __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

03-09-2002, 06:36 PM	#11
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	the setup depends on your rad, pump, and other factors too, compared to what other people have, but I think you should be able to find the perfect point fairly easily __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

03-09-2002, 07:26 PM	#13
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	Jay what vise U using on your mill, and how much was it? I machined a few copper spiral tops and man does my mill NOT like copper either! I think that if you made the 1/4 channels then reset your Y axis and X axis a little off, then it will go in and make it wider __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-09-2002, 12:30 PM	#2
Xel Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 46	Those pictures reminded me of something, has anyone ever tried alternating depth levels for the water channels to create turbulence? Almost ever single waterblock I've seen has a smooth bottom, but then everyone is always trying to create turbulence horizontally instead...

03-09-2002, 12:58 PM	#3
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	I have thought about milling it 1/4" deep and then drilling a bunch of 1/8" wide by 1/8" deep holes to do just that. But being this isn't going to be a perfromance block I am not going to. I think my original design may do a little better that way though.

03-09-2002, 01:26 PM	#4
futRtrubL Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Kingston, Jamaica Posts: 204	One thing jaydee, water is uncompessible. ;'] Edward

03-09-2002, 04:41 PM	#6
mx-6* Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 165	Yeah, same surface area but faster flow even though actual system flow would probably decrease.

03-09-2002, 07:09 PM	#12
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	I think it should do pretty good for lower GPH pumps like 150-200GPH. I am going to hook up my little 200GPH to it and see how it does. If i had any 3/8" bits left I would have done it 3/8". But i don't right now. I wanted to try it in 1/4" anyway. i can always remill it to 3/8" later. By the time I get done with it the 1/4" will probably be shot as it isn't made for copper milling.

03-09-2002, 11:38 PM	#15
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	yeah, I looked at that vise a while back, Its way to small for my tastes, doesnt open wide enought for me to do anything with my Spir@ls. Right now I am using a vise that Paul at A-1 Machine (where I used to work) made me. he made it in 2 hours off the top of his head. No prints. That boy is GOOD! __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-10-2002, 11:43 AM	#17
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	Yeah but for my stuff, I need at least 2.5 inches wide. I am looking at drawing up a little bit bigger vise and seeing if I cant "BRIBE" Paul into making a couple. If I can get him to, U want one? __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-10-2002, 10:07 PM	#19
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	alright then, I will see if I can sweet talk Paul into making a few new vises. How much money U got LOL __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-10-2002, 10:29 PM	#21
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	Is that block your cutting into copper? if it is, I am sure that your mill HATES IT!!!!!!!!! __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-15-2002, 10:09 PM	#23
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Ain't it purdy!! Not to bad for doing it manually without the CNC. Milling is done. the channels are 5/16" wide and 5/16" deep. Tomorrow I will figure out what i will do for the top and then it should be done.

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