Tygon R-1000 Type TUBING?

XiveX · 05-08-2002, 06:05 PM

Hi all,

Just ordered the 10 feet of Tygon Tubing R-1000 model from McMasterr-Carr. Ordered part # 5894K21 at the recommendation of the "H20 Buyer's Guide". I just noticed something however though...and forgive me because this is my FIRST h20 setup and I am a newb at Watercooling. At http://www.tygon.com , the manufacturer of Tygon (saint-goblin) lists the maximum recommended operating temps of the R-1000 brand of Tygon tubing at 125 degrees Farenheit/52 Celsius.

The R-3603 brand of Tygon Tubing is rated at 165 degrees Farenheit/74 Celsius. Should I have gone with the R-3603 brand? Is 52C max operating temperature going to be enough for H20 cooling? What are the standard temps of water?

My specs:
XP2000+
Abit KR7A-133R
512MB Corsair XMS2700
WD 60GB HDD
SB Audigy Platinum
Plextor 40/12/24
Linksys 10/100 NIC

Thanks for any advice..

XiveX

MeltMan · 05-08-2002, 06:19 PM

your water temps will never get too much over ambient ~30 max

If your water was at 52c your processor would be dead.

XiveX · 05-08-2002, 06:21 PM

Thank you sir. I kinda figured it wouldn't ever reach that high, but wasn' t sure on what water temps usually get up to...thanks a ton.

BTW--which version of tygon do YOU think is better anyhow? R-1000 or R-3603?

Thanks again..

XiveX

webmedic · 05-08-2002, 06:25 PM

The 3603 is the better of the two. It is made to be chemical resistent. The higher temps are just a plus.

XiveX · 05-08-2002, 06:31 PM

Are you going to notice any kind of performance difference when using R-1000 compared to R-3603? Does it really matter that much?

Thanks,

XiveX

webmedic · 05-08-2002, 06:36 PM

Oh no thats not the point. It's made not to get stained and such when you start using your dye-lite, waterwetter and stuff like that in your water. I called and talked to them on the phone and they told me that the 3603 stuf was made for use with chemicals and that it is the only one that would whithstand use with chemicals not just the staining.

XiveX · 05-08-2002, 06:38 PM

Intersting....does Mcmaster-carr take returns?

Seriously though, I wonder if they do..

XiveX

webmedic · 05-08-2002, 06:40 PM

Never delt with them. For your sake I hope so.

XiveX · 05-08-2002, 06:44 PM

Someone should tell Una this. I specifically bought this from McMaster Carr at Una's recommendation in his H20 Buyer's Guide.

He says:

"And you'll need hose. Nothing but the best for you, you'll want to order 1/2" thick wall Tygon hose from McMaster. The part number is 5894K21 That'll be $4.27 a foot, you need 10 feet or so. "

The part #: 5894K21 is the R-1000 Type. I just emailed McMaster Carr to see if they do carry the R-3603 type and if they do indeed exchange products.

Thanks guys..
XiveX

UnaClocker · 05-08-2002, 08:34 PM

Woah.. Thanks for the info, I'll see if I can find the 3603 on McMaster, and submit the change to Joe, for now I'll just make a quick warning note in my worklog. Sorry about that, I'm just as new to Tygon as everyone else.

Doesn't sound like 1000 is the end of the world, but I do agree I shouldn't recommend it.

Heh, poor DangerDen, that's all they have. ;>

WireX · 05-08-2002, 09:11 PM

Quote:

If your water was at 52c your processor would be dead.

not true. mine got to 55ºC and my comp was only starting to freeze up, but the plug just magically flew outa the back of my powersupply

bretb · 05-08-2002, 09:22 PM

From the McMaster Web site:
Tygon R-3603 Lab Grade
Part#5554K19 1/2" ID 3/4" OD with a 1/8" wall thickness $3.20 per Ft.

MeltMan · 05-08-2002, 09:28 PM

55? OMG, but seriously, if your WATER temps were 52, you can bet your processor is more like 57 or so...

Thanks for the heads up on the tygon 3603 tubing guys...

But, I doubt the 1000 will absorb much of anything.. its not porus like silicon.

XiveX · 05-08-2002, 10:19 PM

Yes...thanks for the help guys. Bret supplied the correct part # and I emailed McMasterCarr (twice

) to see what they will say about a return. The R-3603 is in fact about $1 and some change cheaper PER FOOT, so it is a better deal, plus the fact that the R-3603 is rated a higher max operating temp, which is better since most of us are going to be running water that gets hot, not super cold (-100F) anyhow...

Thanks again...will let you all know what McMaster-Carr does about this tomorrow. I pray I don't have to buy more tubing...I can't afford anoter $40 right now. Plus, I see NO reason they shouldn't return it for the other...I have all original shipping and receipts.

XiveX

ItsSoLARGE · 05-08-2002, 11:12 PM

Remember to only get Type R tubing..

VROOM VROOM!!!
RICE RICE BABY!

Cyco-Dude · 05-09-2002, 12:43 AM

dont get it from McMaster, get it from USplastic instead; its cheaper ($2.91 / foot of 1/2" ID 3/4" OD R-3603 tygon). the only prob with USplastic is that u have to order in 10' lengths (so unless you need more than 7' of tubing, it might be cheaper to get it from McMaster if they sell in shorter lengths).
Dtek Customs also sells 1/2" ID 11/16" OD R-3603 for $2.65 per foot. a good 50 cents more expensive than USplastic, but it'll still be cheaper if you only need 7 or less feet of tubing.

WireX · 05-09-2002, 07:38 AM

accually, my proc got to almost 70

I knocked the fan connector out, and wat running stress tests on my latests OC...
I still have the imprints on the tubing of both the barbs and the hose clamps (partially because of silicone tubing)... But hey, it survived and I didn't loose anything. t-birds have a max operating temp of close to 100ºC (if I remember correctly), but it usually crashed before it will even get to 80ºC, mine was just starting to pop up errors.

-WireX

Nomad2000 · 05-09-2002, 08:08 AM

Sorry, I have some Tygon R-1000. Min T=100F, MaxT=180F. What sense of Min T?

Nomad2000 · 05-09-2002, 08:52 AM

'Remember to only get Type R tubing'... Why only Type R? What about B-44-3 and F -4040-A?

Cyco-Dude · 05-09-2002, 09:26 AM

i think he was joking lol.
there are other formulations, but the R-3603 is for lab use, and is chemically resistant, which makes it ideal for most watercooling setups (since most ppl add antifreeze, alcohols, waterwetter, etc to the water).

bigben2k · 05-09-2002, 09:45 AM

Here's a link to the spec sheet for the R-3603:
http://tygon.com/pdfs/tygr3603.pdf

My only question is: how does it react to UV lighting...

Cyco-Dude · 05-09-2002, 10:29 AM

to bigben2k:
i might call them up and ask, but thats a big "might" (as i rarely use the phone lol).

to continue the tygon talk (this is a response i copy-n-pasted from your post in the glowbottles thread):
i cant find any info stating that tygon tubing is or is not UV resistant. as far as outlasting other tubing (silicone specifically), tygon tubing "outlasts other clear tubing 2 to 1 in peristaltic pumps." a peristaltic pump is a pump that moves stuff by mechanical means, such that the only thing touching the stuff thats being moved is the tubing itself. i guess these work not unlike how your esophagus works (contracts to push food down). ive never seen a peristaltic pump tho, so im not sure.

the R-1000 formulation is a softer tubing than the R-3603 formulation, so it remains flexible at -75 C, but it also has a max recommended temp of 52 C (im guessing this is becuase its a softer tubing than R-3603).
the R-3603 tubing, on the other hand, has a max recommended temp of 74 C, but a minimum recommended temp of -58 C (again, im guessing this has to do with this formulation tubing being harder than R-1000, so these numbers make logical sense).

both of these formulations of tygon brand tubing will fare better than silicone, due to their chemical resistence. the R-3603 resists "virtually all chemicals found in the lab" while the R-1000 resists "a broad range of chemicals". if these tubings can withstand lab chemicals, i seriously doubt either formulation will stain from UV dyes.

also, i did notice, that at 23 C, within 24 hrs, the R-1000 has a water absorbancy of 0.30%, while R-3603 has a water absorbancy of 0.24%. im speculating that this has mostly to do with the tubings hardness (or softness rather, since they are both very soft and flexible).

so i guess Una summed it up best:
"While [R-1000 formulation tygon] will do the job, it won't do it as well as R-3603". it wont do it as cheap either lol.

info is taking from spec sheets found @ tygon.com. tygon is a registered trademark of Norton Performance Plastics Co. (just fyi

)

Nomad2000 · 05-09-2002, 12:59 PM

It is written on my R-1000 tube - Min T 100F(38C), Max T 180F (82C). How should we understand it?

Cyco-Dude · 05-09-2002, 01:37 PM

McMasters website states that the temp ranges for the R-1000 'Tygon Ultra-Soft Peristaltic Pump PVC Tubing' is -103° to +125° F. what tubing exactly did you get??

Nomad2000 · 05-09-2002, 02:12 PM

My R-1000 is from McMaster - 1/2 ID,3/4 OD and 3/8 ID, 5/8 OD - on both the same T min(100F) and T max(180F) is written.
Leon

05-08-2002, 06:05 PM	#1
XiveX Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 15	Tygon R-1000 Type TUBING? Hi all, Just ordered the 10 feet of Tygon Tubing R-1000 model from McMasterr-Carr. Ordered part # 5894K21 at the recommendation of the "H20 Buyer's Guide". I just noticed something however though...and forgive me because this is my FIRST h20 setup and I am a newb at Watercooling. At http://www.tygon.com , the manufacturer of Tygon (saint-goblin) lists the maximum recommended operating temps of the R-1000 brand of Tygon tubing at 125 degrees Farenheit/52 Celsius. The R-3603 brand of Tygon Tubing is rated at 165 degrees Farenheit/74 Celsius. Should I have gone with the R-3603 brand? Is 52C max operating temperature going to be enough for H20 cooling? What are the standard temps of water? My specs: XP2000+ Abit KR7A-133R 512MB Corsair XMS2700 WD 60GB HDD SB Audigy Platinum Plextor 40/12/24 Linksys 10/100 NIC Thanks for any advice.. XiveX

05-08-2002, 06:19 PM	#2
MeltMan Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: KS Posts: 374	your water temps will never get too much over ambient ~30 max If your water was at 52c your processor would be dead. __________________ MeltMan Lurker Supreme!

05-08-2002, 06:25 PM	#4
webmedic Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cheney, Wa Posts: 367	The 3603 is the better of the two. It is made to be chemical resistent. The higher temps are just a plus. __________________ www.water-cool.com

05-08-2002, 06:36 PM	#6
webmedic Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cheney, Wa Posts: 367	Oh no thats not the point. It's made not to get stained and such when you start using your dye-lite, waterwetter and stuff like that in your water. I called and talked to them on the phone and they told me that the 3603 stuf was made for use with chemicals and that it is the only one that would whithstand use with chemicals not just the staining. __________________ www.water-cool.com

05-08-2002, 06:40 PM	#8
webmedic Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cheney, Wa Posts: 367	Never delt with them. For your sake I hope so. __________________ www.water-cool.com

05-08-2002, 06:21 PM	#3
XiveX Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 15	Thank you sir. I kinda figured it wouldn't ever reach that high, but wasn' t sure on what water temps usually get up to...thanks a ton. BTW--which version of tygon do YOU think is better anyhow? R-1000 or R-3603? Thanks again.. XiveX

05-08-2002, 06:31 PM	#5
XiveX Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 15	3603 vs. 1000 Are you going to notice any kind of performance difference when using R-1000 compared to R-3603? Does it really matter that much? Thanks, XiveX

05-08-2002, 06:38 PM	#7
XiveX Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 15	Intersting....does Mcmaster-carr take returns? Seriously though, I wonder if they do.. XiveX

05-08-2002, 06:44 PM	#9
XiveX Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 15	Someone should tell Una this. I specifically bought this from McMaster Carr at Una's recommendation in his H20 Buyer's Guide. He says: "And you'll need hose. Nothing but the best for you, you'll want to order 1/2" thick wall Tygon hose from McMaster. The part number is 5894K21 That'll be $4.27 a foot, you need 10 feet or so. " The part #: 5894K21 is the R-1000 Type. I just emailed McMaster Carr to see if they do carry the R-3603 type and if they do indeed exchange products. Thanks guys.. XiveX

05-08-2002, 08:34 PM	#10
UnaClocker Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 514	Woah.. Thanks for the info, I'll see if I can find the 3603 on McMaster, and submit the change to Joe, for now I'll just make a quick warning note in my worklog. Sorry about that, I'm just as new to Tygon as everyone else. Doesn't sound like 1000 is the end of the world, but I do agree I shouldn't recommend it. Heh, poor DangerDen, that's all they have. ;> __________________ The UnaClocker Watercooler Extraordinaire! Overclock till it goes BOOM!

05-08-2002, 09:22 PM	#12
bretb Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: S. F. Bay Area Posts: 8	From the McMaster Web site: Tygon R-3603 Lab Grade Part#5554K19 1/2" ID 3/4" OD with a 1/8" wall thickness $3.20 per Ft.

05-08-2002, 09:28 PM	#13
MeltMan Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: KS Posts: 374	55? OMG, but seriously, if your WATER temps were 52, you can bet your processor is more like 57 or so... Thanks for the heads up on the tygon 3603 tubing guys... But, I doubt the 1000 will absorb much of anything.. its not porus like silicon. __________________ MeltMan Lurker Supreme!

05-08-2002, 10:19 PM	#14
XiveX Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 15	Yes...thanks for the help guys. Bret supplied the correct part # and I emailed McMasterCarr (twice ) to see what they will say about a return. The R-3603 is in fact about $1 and some change cheaper PER FOOT, so it is a better deal, plus the fact that the R-3603 is rated a higher max operating temp, which is better since most of us are going to be running water that gets hot, not super cold (-100F) anyhow... Thanks again...will let you all know what McMaster-Carr does about this tomorrow. I pray I don't have to buy more tubing...I can't afford anoter $40 right now. Plus, I see NO reason they shouldn't return it for the other...I have all original shipping and receipts. XiveX

05-08-2002, 11:12 PM	#15
ItsSoLARGE Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: So Cal Posts: 125	Remember to only get Type R tubing.. VROOM VROOM!!! RICE RICE BABY! __________________ Plumber's Goop: The Watercooler's Duct Tape

05-09-2002, 12:43 AM	#16
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	dont get it from McMaster, get it from USplastic instead; its cheaper ($2.91 / foot of 1/2" ID 3/4" OD R-3603 tygon). the only prob with USplastic is that u have to order in 10' lengths (so unless you need more than 7' of tubing, it might be cheaper to get it from McMaster if they sell in shorter lengths). Dtek Customs also sells 1/2" ID 11/16" OD R-3603 for $2.65 per foot. a good 50 cents more expensive than USplastic, but it'll still be cheaper if you only need 7 or less feet of tubing.

05-09-2002, 07:38 AM	#17
WireX Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Winnipeg Manitoba Canada Posts: 68	accually, my proc got to almost 70 I knocked the fan connector out, and wat running stress tests on my latests OC... I still have the imprints on the tubing of both the barbs and the hose clamps (partially because of silicone tubing)... But hey, it survived and I didn't loose anything. t-birds have a max operating temp of close to 100ºC (if I remember correctly), but it usually crashed before it will even get to 80ºC, mine was just starting to pop up errors. -WireX __________________ I am a Canadian Cooler and proud of it If at first you don't succeed, Skydiving isn't for you - Me The world is run by the internet The internet is run by computers Nerds run those computers I'm one of those nerds

05-09-2002, 08:08 AM	#18
Nomad2000 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 56	Sorry, I have some Tygon R-1000. Min T=100F, MaxT=180F. What sense of Min T?

05-09-2002, 08:52 AM	#19
Nomad2000 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 56	'Remember to only get Type R tubing'... Why only Type R? What about B-44-3 and F -4040-A?

05-09-2002, 09:26 AM	#20
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	i think he was joking lol. there are other formulations, but the R-3603 is for lab use, and is chemically resistant, which makes it ideal for most watercooling setups (since most ppl add antifreeze, alcohols, waterwetter, etc to the water).

05-09-2002, 09:45 AM	#21
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Here's a link to the spec sheet for the R-3603: http://tygon.com/pdfs/tygr3603.pdf My only question is: how does it react to UV lighting... __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

05-09-2002, 10:29 AM	#22
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	to bigben2k: i might call them up and ask, but thats a big "might" (as i rarely use the phone lol). to continue the tygon talk (this is a response i copy-n-pasted from your post in the glowbottles thread): i cant find any info stating that tygon tubing is or is not UV resistant. as far as outlasting other tubing (silicone specifically), tygon tubing "outlasts other clear tubing 2 to 1 in peristaltic pumps." a peristaltic pump is a pump that moves stuff by mechanical means, such that the only thing touching the stuff thats being moved is the tubing itself. i guess these work not unlike how your esophagus works (contracts to push food down). ive never seen a peristaltic pump tho, so im not sure. the R-1000 formulation is a softer tubing than the R-3603 formulation, so it remains flexible at -75 C, but it also has a max recommended temp of 52 C (im guessing this is becuase its a softer tubing than R-3603). the R-3603 tubing, on the other hand, has a max recommended temp of 74 C, but a minimum recommended temp of -58 C (again, im guessing this has to do with this formulation tubing being harder than R-1000, so these numbers make logical sense). both of these formulations of tygon brand tubing will fare better than silicone, due to their chemical resistence. the R-3603 resists "virtually all chemicals found in the lab" while the R-1000 resists "a broad range of chemicals". if these tubings can withstand lab chemicals, i seriously doubt either formulation will stain from UV dyes. also, i did notice, that at 23 C, within 24 hrs, the R-1000 has a water absorbancy of 0.30%, while R-3603 has a water absorbancy of 0.24%. im speculating that this has mostly to do with the tubings hardness (or softness rather, since they are both very soft and flexible). so i guess Una summed it up best: "While [R-1000 formulation tygon] will do the job, it won't do it as well as R-3603". it wont do it as cheap either lol. info is taking from spec sheets found @ tygon.com. tygon is a registered trademark of Norton Performance Plastics Co. (just fyi )

05-09-2002, 12:59 PM	#23
Nomad2000 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 56	It is written on my R-1000 tube - Min T 100F(38C), Max T 180F (82C). How should we understand it?

05-09-2002, 01:37 PM	#24
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	McMasters website states that the temp ranges for the R-1000 'Tygon Ultra-Soft Peristaltic Pump PVC Tubing' is -103° to +125° F. what tubing exactly did you get??

05-09-2002, 02:12 PM	#25
Nomad2000 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 56	My R-1000 is from McMaster - 1/2 ID,3/4 OD and 3/8 ID, 5/8 OD - on both the same T min(100F) and T max(180F) is written. Leon

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