My ram chiller

Miss_Man · 05-10-2002, 03:05 AM

More pics for your pleasure.

Cyco-Dude · 05-10-2002, 03:19 AM

overkill LOL!!
post numbers when its done!

Gnozo · 05-10-2002, 07:20 AM

OMG....that looks f*ucking wild dude......give us some numbers on that badboy

gone_fishin · 05-11-2002, 01:03 AM

That won't last long without insulation. And how will it fit if you do insulate?

Miss_Man · 05-11-2002, 10:31 AM

It will fit because I've planned this before doing anything. How well it will work, dunno yet, but going to do a test run later outside the comp.

Miss_Man · 05-11-2002, 01:23 PM

Did a dry run. More pics and some numbers.

Forgive the long tubings, wanna see the worse possible scenario for flow rate. Still pretty good flow.

Crappy probe, a long story...

Miss_Man · 05-11-2002, 01:23 PM

Didn't time how long it took but the GPU block's at - 0.1C. The pelt is an 80w run at 12v or so I think, my multimeter's completely wet and crapped ATM (another long story)

1.9C on the ram chiller side. A 65w here at ~12v. This side is completely uninsulated and losing a lot of the cold to surrondings.

Ambient's a really warm 33C (hot day today!) and the test was ran without a fan on the rad and it got pretty warm after a while, and water's at 40C after a while.

Jonas · 05-11-2002, 08:12 PM

show us pictures after you **** up all your stuff k? and since ram doesn't get WARM to the tough lets alone need a pelt i find myself saying WHY??

but to each their own. course you can't bring silliness into these kinds of forums and not expect some flak

Miss_Man · 05-11-2002, 08:24 PM

I wont care ezxplaining to you why I'm doing it and dont give a shit what you think about it. So why dont you shut the fark up?

Cyco-Dude · 05-11-2002, 08:54 PM

that was totally uncalled for, and very childish.

BobMont · 05-11-2002, 11:29 PM

hm, why not just get one of those gemini ram coolers?

Miss_Man · 05-12-2002, 02:29 AM

Bobmont, the thing is I would either go with just ramsinks or peltcooled and not the in between straight water exactly because they dont produce much heat. Thus to get a big drop in temps I'll need to chill it. I remembered reading somewhere that rams are Cmos devices or something and performance would improve as temp drops just like the CPUs.

Brad · 05-12-2002, 07:00 AM

the clothes pegs look ghetto, but to be honest, it may be interesting to see how it goes

bigben2k · 05-13-2002, 08:32 AM

Pelt cooling your RAM is unnecessary.

DDR RAM does not run that hot to start off with, and anyone who's actually tested RAM would tell you: even a heatsink has no/negligeable effect on performance.

You would have spent your money/time more wisely by simply getting faster RAM.

By Pelt-cooling your RAM, you've had to purchase:
-a power supply ($20)
-a Pelt ($20)
and you've spent an outrageous amount of time building a mount for it, which doesn't even extract heat evenly.

I'm sorry, but you're just wasting your time.

prb123 · 05-13-2002, 09:07 AM

I agree with Brad, I want to see how it goes. To my knowledge no one has attempted this yet. So your statements about it being worthless are pure speculation. Yes ram does not generate much heat, and water cooling it to ambient is probably pointless, but chilling below ambient, which is what is going on here as is evidenced by the frost may or may not yield some awesome overclocking results. So I guess the point is that everyone should encourage this first attempt, if it does not work then you can bash anyone else who tries while pointing to this thread as proof. If it goes well then your going to look stupid when it's your turn to put a pelt on your memory.

bigben2k · 05-13-2002, 09:54 AM

prb123: I hear what you're saying, and I admit, I'd also like to see if it has any effect, but logic dictates...

In electronics, a bunch of things happen to components when their temperatures change. In this particular case, cooling down a CPU will yield results, wether it's cooling to ambient/near-ambiant temperature or below. However, memory does not need to be cooled in order to run, like a CPU does.

And so we get to the point: if a CPU had no cooling whatsoever, it would fry. So a cooling solution has to be applied, otherwise the temperature will reach a maximum (somewhere above 90C).

RAM never reaches its maximum operating temperature, with no cooling whatsoever, and that temp is already near-ambiant.

So if you cool a CPU (as you are required to do), you will get better results, because you're taking a temperature down from its maximum, by a good 50C, and in some cases, even more.

If you Pelt-cool RAM, you will simply take an electronic circuit from near-ambient temperature, to below freezing, in a temperature range where the circuit was NOT designed to run. You will not cool it by at least 50C, and you will not get better results.

I predict that the RAM will not work at all. I predict that the RAM will be damaged. I also predict that it will be too difficult to isolate it so that no condensation will damage the RAM or Mother board.

Now if we had military grade components, it would be a different story, as they are specifically designed to operate in a wider range of temperatures, but as far as I know, that just doesn't exist for RAM.

Can't wait to see the results...

bigben2k · 05-13-2002, 10:02 AM

A note on temperature probes:

A lot of these are not designed to measure temps below freezing. Make sure you read the instructions/specs (you know, that thing you throw out the garbage right away?

)

ablaze · 05-13-2002, 10:03 AM

why don't you guys just save all the critique for now. and wait and see. who know..the fella might just have something there!

and well if he doesn't..its not too late then for the "i-told-you-sos" right

BaconGrease · 05-13-2002, 10:11 AM

Would be interested in finding how everything comes together...
I love overkill

Cyco-Dude · 05-13-2002, 11:59 AM

them boobies are certainly overkill lol

Miss_Man · 05-13-2002, 04:13 PM

Gimme one or two days more and I should have some results to share.

Cyco-Dude · 05-13-2002, 06:47 PM

should be interesting...maybe post some Q3 timedemos too (stock and maximum OC).

MeltMan · 05-13-2002, 08:00 PM

I think it looks great. Total OOOhhh and AAAhhhh factor going on there. Even if it is pointless guys, we are forgetting what boredom and the quest for the elsuive megahert will do to a man.

I support 100%

Maybe I'll just make myself one, for shits and grins.

MeltMan · 05-13-2002, 08:05 PM

Quote:

I predict that the RAM will not work at all. I predict that the RAM will be damaged. I also predict that it will be too difficult to isolate it so that no condensation will damage the RAM or Mother board.

I predict that the ram will work just fine. Ive seen computers suspended in a 3m insulated liquid then liquid nitrogen cooled to -240c. It was one hellova overclock.

just food for thought.

bigben2k · 05-14-2002, 12:29 PM

We'll see...

05-10-2002, 03:05 AM	#1
Miss_Man Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 151	My ram chiller More pics for your pleasure.

05-10-2002, 07:20 AM	#3
Gnozo Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 105	OMG....that looks f*ucking wild dude......give us some numbers on that badboy __________________ AMD XP1700+ @ JIUHB 12 x 202 Epox 8RDA+ Samsung PC2700 512mb Asus V8420 TI4200 Eheim 1048 - Maze1 - AirPlex EVO240 - Lian Li PC-61

05-11-2002, 08:12 PM	#8
Jonas Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Jackson, MI Posts: 94	show us pictures after you **** up all your stuff k? and since ram doesn't get WARM to the tough lets alone need a pelt i find myself saying WHY?? but to each their own. course you can't bring silliness into these kinds of forums and not expect some flak __________________ "...as soon as you're born you start dying; so you might as well have a good time..."

05-12-2002, 07:00 AM	#13
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	the clothes pegs look ghetto, but to be honest, it may be interesting to see how it goes __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

05-13-2002, 08:32 AM	#14
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Pelt cooling your RAM is unnecessary. DDR RAM does not run that hot to start off with, and anyone who's actually tested RAM would tell you: even a heatsink has no/negligeable effect on performance. You would have spent your money/time more wisely by simply getting faster RAM. By Pelt-cooling your RAM, you've had to purchase: -a power supply ($20) -a Pelt ($20) and you've spent an outrageous amount of time building a mount for it, which doesn't even extract heat evenly. I'm sorry, but you're just wasting your time. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

05-10-2002, 03:19 AM	#2
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	overkill LOL!! post numbers when its done!

05-11-2002, 01:03 AM	#4
gone_fishin Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Da UP Posts: 517	That won't last long without insulation. And how will it fit if you do insulate?

05-11-2002, 10:31 AM	#5
Miss_Man Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 151	It will fit because I've planned this before doing anything. How well it will work, dunno yet, but going to do a test run later outside the comp.

05-11-2002, 01:23 PM	#6
Miss_Man Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 151	Did a dry run. More pics and some numbers. Forgive the long tubings, wanna see the worse possible scenario for flow rate. Still pretty good flow. Crappy probe, a long story...

05-11-2002, 08:24 PM	#9
Miss_Man Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 151	I wont care ezxplaining to you why I'm doing it and dont give a shit what you think about it. So why dont you shut the fark up?

05-11-2002, 08:54 PM	#10
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	that was totally uncalled for, and very childish.

05-11-2002, 11:29 PM	#11
BobMont Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: NY Posts: 48	hm, why not just get one of those gemini ram coolers?

05-12-2002, 02:29 AM	#12
Miss_Man Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 151	Bobmont, the thing is I would either go with just ramsinks or peltcooled and not the in between straight water exactly because they dont produce much heat. Thus to get a big drop in temps I'll need to chill it. I remembered reading somewhere that rams are Cmos devices or something and performance would improve as temp drops just like the CPUs.

05-13-2002, 09:07 AM	#15
prb123 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 51	I agree with Brad, I want to see how it goes. To my knowledge no one has attempted this yet. So your statements about it being worthless are pure speculation. Yes ram does not generate much heat, and water cooling it to ambient is probably pointless, but chilling below ambient, which is what is going on here as is evidenced by the frost may or may not yield some awesome overclocking results. So I guess the point is that everyone should encourage this first attempt, if it does not work then you can bash anyone else who tries while pointing to this thread as proof. If it goes well then your going to look stupid when it's your turn to put a pelt on your memory.

05-13-2002, 09:54 AM	#16
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	prb123: I hear what you're saying, and I admit, I'd also like to see if it has any effect, but logic dictates... In electronics, a bunch of things happen to components when their temperatures change. In this particular case, cooling down a CPU will yield results, wether it's cooling to ambient/near-ambiant temperature or below. However, memory does not need to be cooled in order to run, like a CPU does. And so we get to the point: if a CPU had no cooling whatsoever, it would fry. So a cooling solution has to be applied, otherwise the temperature will reach a maximum (somewhere above 90C). RAM never reaches its maximum operating temperature, with no cooling whatsoever, and that temp is already near-ambiant. So if you cool a CPU (as you are required to do), you will get better results, because you're taking a temperature down from its maximum, by a good 50C, and in some cases, even more. If you Pelt-cool RAM, you will simply take an electronic circuit from near-ambient temperature, to below freezing, in a temperature range where the circuit was NOT designed to run. You will not cool it by at least 50C, and you will not get better results. I predict that the RAM will not work at all. I predict that the RAM will be damaged. I also predict that it will be too difficult to isolate it so that no condensation will damage the RAM or Mother board. Now if we had military grade components, it would be a different story, as they are specifically designed to operate in a wider range of temperatures, but as far as I know, that just doesn't exist for RAM. Can't wait to see the results... __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101 Last edited by bigben2k; 05-13-2002 at 09:58 AM.

05-13-2002, 10:02 AM	#17
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	A note on temperature probes: A lot of these are not designed to measure temps below freezing. Make sure you read the instructions/specs (you know, that thing you throw out the garbage right away? ) __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

05-13-2002, 10:03 AM	#18
ablaze Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Singapore! Posts: 124	why don't you guys just save all the critique for now. and wait and see. who know..the fella might just have something there! and well if he doesn't..its not too late then for the "i-told-you-sos" right

05-13-2002, 10:11 AM	#19
BaconGrease Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Richmond Posts: 85	Would be interested in finding how everything comes together... I love overkill __________________ Damn that is hot

05-13-2002, 11:59 AM	#20
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	them boobies are certainly overkill lol

05-13-2002, 04:13 PM	#21
Miss_Man Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 151	Gimme one or two days more and I should have some results to share.

05-13-2002, 06:47 PM	#22
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	cool should be interesting...maybe post some Q3 timedemos too (stock and maximum OC).

05-13-2002, 08:00 PM	#23
MeltMan Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: KS Posts: 374	I think it looks great. Total OOOhhh and AAAhhhh factor going on there. Even if it is pointless guys, we are forgetting what boredom and the quest for the elsuive megahert will do to a man. I support 100% Maybe I'll just make myself one, for shits and grins. __________________ MeltMan Lurker Supreme!

05-14-2002, 12:29 PM	#25
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	We'll see... __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

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