Look at this picture of how the rad is mounted........

bateslabel · 05-12-2002, 10:10 AM

I have been asking this question if mounting a radiator like this would degrade performance. Here is a picture froma review where this guy has a radiator mounted in the same way I would like to mount mine. Here it is http://www.blargoc.co.uk/reviews/dan...e2/page2.shtml

The reason I am asking is that I have an Inwin Q500. And because of the way the case is mounting a heater core in the top like that would be so easy. But mounting the way this guy did his I believe would be more effective cause if I mounted it towards the back, another place that has ample room, I fear it would pull back in the warm air from the power supply. I realize that I would have to bleed it first with the rad upright to remove air but after that will it work well mounted like that in the picture?

JimS · 05-12-2002, 11:57 AM

Two problems I see. One is that with the rad. at the top of the system, any air is going to collect there.

Two is that if his air flow is blowing out, he is taking warm air from inside the case and using that to cool the rad., not good. If he is blowing air from outside in, he is blowing all that warmer air into the case, not good.

The solution is a ducting system.

Jessfm · 05-12-2002, 12:32 PM

Better place would be low front (if you got room).

Brad · 05-12-2002, 01:58 PM

Air will collect there, but if you run the rad down the bottom of the case for a week or two, I'm sure you won't have too many air bubbles left in the system at all.

Jessfm · 05-12-2002, 02:07 PM

Brad , no air left in system after 10mins .
Flow rate was so high, it forced it though.

Brad · 05-13-2002, 02:39 AM

hehe, just being ultra conservative, depending on each person's setup. Mine takes about 25 seconds to get rid of all the air

bigben2k · 05-13-2002, 07:26 AM

Personally, I don't like any blow-hole type setup: I just can't stand the thought of someone accidentally knocking a cup of coffee or Coke right into my computer, but hey, that's just me.

The other problem though, and a very real one, as everyone else will testify, is that the rad is at the hign point of the system, making the installation of an air trap an out-of-case solution.

I'd rather have my computer look like a computer, instead of a Christmas tree!

Cyco-Dude · 05-13-2002, 11:46 AM

eh, the air-trap can go anywhere. as long as the air bubbles are small, the flow will carry them into the air-trap, no matter where it is. if i was going to mount the rad @ the top of the case, id rotate it around just to make sure no air was in it. (lol, actually, id rotate all the components to make sure there was no air in them, and let the air-trap catch anything i missed)

Haddy · 05-13-2002, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cyco-Dude
eh, the air-trap can go anywhere. as long as the air bubbles are small, the flow will carry them into the air-trap, no matter where it is. if i was going to mount the rad @ the top of the case, id rotate it around just to make sure no air was in it. (lol, actually, id rotate all the components to make sure there was no air in them, and let the air-trap catch anything i missed)

http://www.procooling.com/articles/h...plained6.shtml

xnay on the radiatray el topa witha aira trapa

Cyco-Dude · 05-13-2002, 06:45 PM

lol, it dosent matter! and thats not even a great air-trap. methinks a new article is in order...maybe some-1 can go thru various configs and see what kind of effect it has on air getting trapped in various components. remember, there are other highpoints in the system, which include top of the rad and WB.

wwhile we are on this topic, i wonder...when you fill the system for the first time, will there be a huge bubble of air trapped @ the top of the WB, or will it flood compleatly with water? hmm....

Jim · 05-13-2002, 09:43 PM

This fellow has a setup with the heater core on the roof. He helped me early on with my water cool.

Go here to see Rob's Rig.
Jim

Jim · 05-13-2002, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jessfm
Better place would be low front (if you got room).

What radiator is that Jessfm?
Jim

dreamnid · 05-13-2002, 10:13 PM

Haddy, when I read the article, that pic confused me on why the author crossed this setup compared to the one below. Then I finally realized the input and output of the air-trap were right next to each other, which he just said is a no-no. So having the air-trap at the top is fine as long you give enough room (time) for the bubbles to actually go up instead of forcing it through the intake, which would destroy the purpose of the air-trap, aka don't have a direct path from the intake to outake :-).

ECUPirate · 05-13-2002, 10:57 PM

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...highlight=q500

Read that. I too have the Q500, and I've explained some cooling options in that thread.

Jessfm · 05-14-2002, 01:16 PM

Jim,
its an OCPC Neptune "The Deep".
http://ocpc.co.uk

Manufacturer's site is not completed yet, but the rads are listed in products.

Jim · 05-14-2002, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jessfm
Jim,
its an OCPC Neptune "The Deep".
http://ocpc.co.uk

Manufacturer's site is not completed yet, but the rads are listed in products.

Thanks for the link, there were no dimensions on the link, about 6 x 9" is it?
Jim

Jessfm · 05-14-2002, 01:36 PM

Jim full technical info & dimesnions are listed.
You have to click the picture of the rads

http://www.coolhardware.co.uk/deep.htm

Haddy · 05-14-2002, 02:49 PM

hey jessfm what ever happened to tekheads forums???

Jessfm · 05-14-2002, 02:55 PM

www.tekforums.co.uk

Im no longer a mod though.

05-12-2002, 10:10 AM	#1
bateslabel Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17	Look at this picture of how the rad is mounted........ I have been asking this question if mounting a radiator like this would degrade performance. Here is a picture froma review where this guy has a radiator mounted in the same way I would like to mount mine. Here it is http://www.blargoc.co.uk/reviews/dan...e2/page2.shtml The reason I am asking is that I have an Inwin Q500. And because of the way the case is mounting a heater core in the top like that would be so easy. But mounting the way this guy did his I believe would be more effective cause if I mounted it towards the back, another place that has ample room, I fear it would pull back in the warm air from the power supply. I realize that I would have to bleed it first with the rad upright to remove air but after that will it work well mounted like that in the picture? Last edited by bateslabel; 05-12-2002 at 10:35 AM.

05-12-2002, 01:58 PM	#4
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	Air will collect there, but if you run the rad down the bottom of the case for a week or two, I'm sure you won't have too many air bubbles left in the system at all. __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

05-13-2002, 02:39 AM	#6
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	hehe, just being ultra conservative, depending on each person's setup. Mine takes about 25 seconds to get rid of all the air __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

05-13-2002, 07:26 AM	#7
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Personally, I don't like any blow-hole type setup: I just can't stand the thought of someone accidentally knocking a cup of coffee or Coke right into my computer, but hey, that's just me. The other problem though, and a very real one, as everyone else will testify, is that the rad is at the hign point of the system, making the installation of an air trap an out-of-case solution. I'd rather have my computer look like a computer, instead of a Christmas tree! __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

05-13-2002, 10:13 PM	#13
dreamnid Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1	Haddy, when I read the article, that pic confused me on why the author crossed this setup compared to the one below. Then I finally realized the input and output of the air-trap were right next to each other, which he just said is a no-no. So having the air-trap at the top is fine as long you give enough room (time) for the bubbles to actually go up instead of forcing it through the intake, which would destroy the purpose of the air-trap, aka don't have a direct path from the intake to outake :-). __________________ DreamNid WebMaster Dreamnid.com & Sonsofglory.com

05-12-2002, 11:57 AM	#2
JimS Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Connecticut Posts: 140	Two problems I see. One is that with the rad. at the top of the system, any air is going to collect there. Two is that if his air flow is blowing out, he is taking warm air from inside the case and using that to cool the rad., not good. If he is blowing air from outside in, he is blowing all that warmer air into the case, not good. The solution is a ducting system.

05-12-2002, 12:32 PM	#3
Jessfm Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 110	Better place would be low front (if you got room).

05-12-2002, 02:07 PM	#5
Jessfm Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 110	Brad , no air left in system after 10mins . Flow rate was so high, it forced it though.

05-13-2002, 11:46 AM	#8
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	eh, the air-trap can go anywhere. as long as the air bubbles are small, the flow will carry them into the air-trap, no matter where it is. if i was going to mount the rad @ the top of the case, id rotate it around just to make sure no air was in it. (lol, actually, id rotate all the components to make sure there was no air in them, and let the air-trap catch anything i missed)

05-13-2002, 06:45 PM	#10
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	lol, it dosent matter! and thats not even a great air-trap. methinks a new article is in order...maybe some-1 can go thru various configs and see what kind of effect it has on air getting trapped in various components. remember, there are other highpoints in the system, which include top of the rad and WB. wwhile we are on this topic, i wonder...when you fill the system for the first time, will there be a huge bubble of air trapped @ the top of the WB, or will it flood compleatly with water? hmm....

05-13-2002, 09:43 PM	#11
Jim Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 389	This fellow has a setup with the heater core on the roof. He helped me early on with my water cool. Go here to see Rob's Rig. Jim

05-13-2002, 10:57 PM	#14
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...highlight=q500 Read that. I too have the Q500, and I've explained some cooling options in that thread. __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

05-14-2002, 01:16 PM	#15
Jessfm Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 110	Jim, its an OCPC Neptune "The Deep". http://ocpc.co.uk Manufacturer's site is not completed yet, but the rads are listed in products.

05-14-2002, 01:36 PM	#17
Jessfm Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 110	Jim full technical info & dimesnions are listed. You have to click the picture of the rads http://www.coolhardware.co.uk/deep.htm

05-14-2002, 02:49 PM	#18
Haddy Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mississippi Posts: 434	hey jessfm what ever happened to tekheads forums???

05-14-2002, 02:55 PM	#19
Jessfm Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 110	www.tekforums.co.uk Im no longer a mod though.

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