Una gone....

WebMasta33 · 05-20-2002, 10:39 PM

This is the article... let me copy paste it so people don't have to go read it....

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Today UnaClocker is no longer part of the ProCooling staff. I unfortunately had the task of dealing with the reality that he has used his reputation on ProCooling to steal money from procooling reader(s). I was made aware over the last few days of how he has taken a rather small amount of money from a reader, in exchange to make a water-cooling component, and has not delivered nor does he plan to. He has lied about this, and disappeared from sight to avoid the reader, and the situation.

I take issues that involve ethics dead serious, and will never allow them to take place by any member of the procooling staff. A site should be rated on its quality and the quality of those who write on it. There is no denying that Una is a great geek in this hobby, and it pains me to do this. His email of Unaclocker@procooling.com will be disabled as of tonight.

I am posting this in public for the simple reason to keep the readers informed about what is going on. Like the OCWC issue, posting about these kind of problems in public helps resolve them much faster and stops any unfounded rumors from developing. This change in the ProCooling staff will have no negative effect on the site!

--joe

I just can't believe that.... Why would you take someone's money, with no plan to deliver, when you know there are going to be conciquences.... Plus, despite the fact if there are/aren't conciquences... it's just not the right thing to do, at all....

I'm just atleast happy that Joe did the right thing, but he shouldn't have to do that in the first place, or ever again....

Joe · 05-20-2002, 11:01 PM

Thanks for the words Web.

I never want to be put in this position again... Trust me I hate doing this kind of thing.

UnaClocker · 05-20-2002, 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by WebMasta33
I just can't believe that.... Why would you take someone's money, with no plan to deliver, when you know there are going to be conciquences.... Plus, despite the fact if there are/aren't conciquences... it's just not the right thing to do, at all....

Hmm.. Let's see.. "I just can't believe that".. Then don't. Why would I do that? I didn't. Plain and simple. I spoke with Zoson (the supposed victim here) about this, and he says Joe flat out over-reacted. Zoson was wondering if I had shipped something off to him yet, and had asked Joe if he could get ahold of me, since I hadn't been online much in the last few days.
Well, needless to say, I have been majorly slandered. Zoson is getting what he paid for, I made damn sure it got shipped off now, I even offered to toss in some extra goodies I had laying around, and Zoson wasn't interested. Obviously he doesn't feel ripped off.
As for Joe, well, no comment. I refuse to sink to his level. There's a reason slander is illegal Joe, just because you used my nick, and got around my being able to sue you by doing so, doesn't mean it's not still wrong.

Joe · 05-21-2002, 12:01 AM

What Una? Slander? use your nick? sue me?

its true The "victim" did NOT ask me to do this, I did this on my own accord by the info that was supplied to me and the logs I looked at on the IRC server. Zoson was working to get the product from you for over 3 months!

Saying " Zoson is getting what he paid for" is not really that important since you did it AFTER all this came to a head. You think you would of done it if I wouldnt have jumped all over this? HELL NO, you would still be screwing him.

You need to take a break man, and get your life in order... You used to rock, but I dont know what the deal is.. you have totally changed into something that I do not want associated with this site.

also Dumbass, Slander is Oral, Libel is Written. And its only Libel if its false, which at the time I wrote it, it was still very true. You only started coming through on your part of the deal with Zos after I brought it to light.

Get a freaking grip man.

UnaClocker · 05-21-2002, 12:10 AM

Blow me.

Pyrotechnic · 05-21-2002, 12:17 AM

Una, grow up and get a grip..........

UnaClocker · 05-21-2002, 12:19 AM

Ya know, I was thinking the same thing about Joe. Get a grip.

Pyrotechnic · 05-21-2002, 12:22 AM

If you had any sanity at all, you would have noticed "grow up and get a grip" was aimed at you Una.

Administrator · 05-21-2002, 12:29 AM

Una that avatar ws uncalled for, as well as your comments, you are no longer welcome in the forums with an imature attitude as that.

C-ya and grow up.

zoson · 05-21-2002, 01:09 AM

I'm going to outline the whole story from start to finish.

December, 2001 I get interested in REALLY water cooling my computer, not just dreaming of it. I order a bunch of parts to do it, and at this time I contracted Una to build and ship to me a small resivor of 4"x4"x2" with 5/8" barbs and a fill hole for the sum of $20.

January 2002, Una claims he sent a reisvor to me. He says that he did not use delivery confirmation. The resivor never arrived here, and after submitting a complaint to the post office, they find no record of any package coming from Una to be delivered to me. At the time, I passed it off as the post office jerking off.

After this, Una explained to me that he was having financial problems, but he still insisted that he had sent the resivor, and that he is of his word and he would make a second one and ship it to me, because I paid for a resivor, so I should get one.

I understood his situation and because Una is my friend, I let him go at his own pace, and get the resivor to me when he could. At the end of March, Una tells me that he sold one of his two cars, and that he had money to make me the resivor and would get it off to me ASAP. This was great because I had just ordered the maze3. I ask him to "please hurry because I have a bunch of stuff coming and I would like to be able to do all the mods at once." He says he would.

About a week later, he says he shipped it to me WITH delivery confirmation. But does not supply the confirmation #. That's OK, because I really only wanted the confirmation # so that USPS would not lose it. A week passes, and Una would log on for one second and off again. Still no resivor. I set an alert on Una's name so that I can know when he comes on and ask him for the confirmation # so I can get after USPS.

Throughout the next two weeks, Una logs on and off extremely fast, and frequently. I would send him an IM, one line, and he would be gone. He would never respond to any of the IM's, and he never seemed to show up in the IRC channel any more.

Finally, yesterday, I spoke with Joe, asking him if he knew where Una was, and I told him that I got the feeling that he was avoiding me. I explained the situation to Joe, and he said he would contact him and ask him what was going on. As well as sending him net messages to stop avoiding me.

Later that night at around 11pm, I did manage to get Una to talk to me. I asked him for the confirmation #, and he said he would get it for me, but then mysteriously logged off instantly. Even later that night at around 4:30am, Una logs on and IM's me the somewhat incriminating message "Don't you ever sleep?" He then immediately logged off. I was REALLY getting annoyed at this point because this was a clear signal to me that he really was avoiding me.

This brings us to today. I was unaware that Joe had sent Una an email (or two, or three, I really don't know) asking una what was going on, and issuing an ultimatum to explain to him (Joe) the situation and make things right. Joe did not receive a response from Una and booted him off of ProCooling.

Joe informs me of this on IRC at around 12pm EST. I read the front page, and about 10 minutes later Una IM's me, rather cryptically asking if I had a DigiDoc5. I responded no, and then he responded "You will soon" and then logged off again.

I was still talking with Joe on IRC, and I relayed the exact messages to him from my IM window. Five minutes later Una IM's me again. Truthfully explaining that he didn't send the resivor, but that he did have the parts, and was going to send them to me, with the plumbers goop, and I could assemble it myself. He also stated that he would throw in some other "goodies" he had lying around. I told him I really only wanted what I paid for. Una then apologized again and said he would get the box off with the parts for the res and still throw in the other things for me.

It is now five months from the time I originally asked Una to build the resivor for me, and we come to this post, and how I'm feeling about this whole thing. I understand what hardship is, and I understand that Una was going through a hard time. I would have understood and been accomodating if he had been straightforward with me. I am disappointed that Una lied to me and dragged this on for so long. I do think that Una should realize that he was more than just "a little delayed" in getting the product to me.

Joe, I think, did overreact somewhat. He gave Una less than one day to respond to his email. I know that I tend to not respond to emails right away - sometimes emails from friends I will let sit for a few days before even reading them, unless they have a pressing topic. I don't know what Joe put for the topics of his emails, but I think less than a day is too little time. I'm not saying I don't appreciate Joe's help, because I do - I do think I can say that Joes actions got Una to talk to me, and make things right.

At this point I'm happy for me, but not happy for Una, or Joe. I like both of them, and I would think that they were friends. I know I still think of Una, and Joe as friends, and good sources of information. I'm sad that Una is not a part of ProCooling any more because I think he contributed some really good articles to the site. But that is not for me to decide, and I can only hope that Joe and Una work out their differences and can mend their friendship.
-Zoson

Joe · 05-21-2002, 01:14 AM

Zoson, thanks for explaining all that!

Witht that said, I dont think anything more is needed in this thread as the entire story is laid out.

05-20-2002, 11:01 PM	#2
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	Thanks for the words Web. I never want to be put in this position again... Trust me I hate doing this kind of thing. __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

05-21-2002, 12:01 AM	#4
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	What Una? Slander? use your nick? sue me? its true The "victim" did NOT ask me to do this, I did this on my own accord by the info that was supplied to me and the logs I looked at on the IRC server. Zoson was working to get the product from you for over 3 months! Saying " Zoson is getting what he paid for" is not really that important since you did it AFTER all this came to a head. You think you would of done it if I wouldnt have jumped all over this? HELL NO, you would still be screwing him. You need to take a break man, and get your life in order... You used to rock, but I dont know what the deal is.. you have totally changed into something that I do not want associated with this site. also Dumbass, Slander is Oral, Libel is Written. And its only Libel if its false, which at the time I wrote it, it was still very true. You only started coming through on your part of the deal with Zos after I brought it to light. Get a freaking grip man. __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

05-21-2002, 12:10 AM	#5
UnaClocker Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 514	Blow me. __________________ The UnaClocker Watercooler Extraordinaire! Overclock till it goes BOOM!

05-21-2002, 12:19 AM	#7
UnaClocker Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 514	Ya know, I was thinking the same thing about Joe. Get a grip. __________________ The UnaClocker Watercooler Extraordinaire! Overclock till it goes BOOM!

05-21-2002, 01:09 AM	#10
zoson Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: X Posts: 204	I'm going to outline the whole story from start to finish. December, 2001 I get interested in REALLY water cooling my computer, not just dreaming of it. I order a bunch of parts to do it, and at this time I contracted Una to build and ship to me a small resivor of 4"x4"x2" with 5/8" barbs and a fill hole for the sum of $20. January 2002, Una claims he sent a reisvor to me. He says that he did not use delivery confirmation. The resivor never arrived here, and after submitting a complaint to the post office, they find no record of any package coming from Una to be delivered to me. At the time, I passed it off as the post office jerking off. After this, Una explained to me that he was having financial problems, but he still insisted that he had sent the resivor, and that he is of his word and he would make a second one and ship it to me, because I paid for a resivor, so I should get one. I understood his situation and because Una is my friend, I let him go at his own pace, and get the resivor to me when he could. At the end of March, Una tells me that he sold one of his two cars, and that he had money to make me the resivor and would get it off to me ASAP. This was great because I had just ordered the maze3. I ask him to "please hurry because I have a bunch of stuff coming and I would like to be able to do all the mods at once." He says he would. About a week later, he says he shipped it to me WITH delivery confirmation. But does not supply the confirmation #. That's OK, because I really only wanted the confirmation # so that USPS would not lose it. A week passes, and Una would log on for one second and off again. Still no resivor. I set an alert on Una's name so that I can know when he comes on and ask him for the confirmation # so I can get after USPS. Throughout the next two weeks, Una logs on and off extremely fast, and frequently. I would send him an IM, one line, and he would be gone. He would never respond to any of the IM's, and he never seemed to show up in the IRC channel any more. Finally, yesterday, I spoke with Joe, asking him if he knew where Una was, and I told him that I got the feeling that he was avoiding me. I explained the situation to Joe, and he said he would contact him and ask him what was going on. As well as sending him net messages to stop avoiding me. Later that night at around 11pm, I did manage to get Una to talk to me. I asked him for the confirmation #, and he said he would get it for me, but then mysteriously logged off instantly. Even later that night at around 4:30am, Una logs on and IM's me the somewhat incriminating message "Don't you ever sleep?" He then immediately logged off. I was REALLY getting annoyed at this point because this was a clear signal to me that he really was avoiding me. This brings us to today. I was unaware that Joe had sent Una an email (or two, or three, I really don't know) asking una what was going on, and issuing an ultimatum to explain to him (Joe) the situation and make things right. Joe did not receive a response from Una and booted him off of ProCooling. Joe informs me of this on IRC at around 12pm EST. I read the front page, and about 10 minutes later Una IM's me, rather cryptically asking if I had a DigiDoc5. I responded no, and then he responded "You will soon" and then logged off again. I was still talking with Joe on IRC, and I relayed the exact messages to him from my IM window. Five minutes later Una IM's me again. Truthfully explaining that he didn't send the resivor, but that he did have the parts, and was going to send them to me, with the plumbers goop, and I could assemble it myself. He also stated that he would throw in some other "goodies" he had lying around. I told him I really only wanted what I paid for. Una then apologized again and said he would get the box off with the parts for the res and still throw in the other things for me. It is now five months from the time I originally asked Una to build the resivor for me, and we come to this post, and how I'm feeling about this whole thing. I understand what hardship is, and I understand that Una was going through a hard time. I would have understood and been accomodating if he had been straightforward with me. I am disappointed that Una lied to me and dragged this on for so long. I do think that Una should realize that he was more than just "a little delayed" in getting the product to me. Joe, I think, did overreact somewhat. He gave Una less than one day to respond to his email. I know that I tend to not respond to emails right away - sometimes emails from friends I will let sit for a few days before even reading them, unless they have a pressing topic. I don't know what Joe put for the topics of his emails, but I think less than a day is too little time. I'm not saying I don't appreciate Joe's help, because I do - I do think I can say that Joes actions got Una to talk to me, and make things right. At this point I'm happy for me, but not happy for Una, or Joe. I like both of them, and I would think that they were friends. I know I still think of Una, and Joe as friends, and good sources of information. I'm sad that Una is not a part of ProCooling any more because I think he contributed some really good articles to the site. But that is not for me to decide, and I can only hope that Joe and Una work out their differences and can mend their friendship. -Zoson __________________ Core i7 930 @ 4254Hz 22x193 \| ASUS R3E 901 BIOS \| 12GB Mushkin Blackline 3x4GB @ 1547MHz 7-8-7-24-1N \| Lian Li PC-A10B 2x EVGA GTX275 SLI @ 720/1266/1566 \| 2x 80GB Intel X25-M G2 SSD Raid 0 \| 3x 1TB Samsung Spinpoint 7.2K Raid 5 \| Corsair 950TX H2O \| Enzotech Sapphire Rev.A \| EK-FB RE3 \| Swiftech - 2x MCW60/GTX275 Unisink, MCP655b, MCRes Micro.v2 \| 3x HWLabs SR1-120 あなたの神への弓 Time isn't wasted, when you're gettin' wasted.

05-21-2002, 12:17 AM	#6
Pyrotechnic Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 240	Una, grow up and get a grip..........

05-21-2002, 12:22 AM	#8
Pyrotechnic Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 240	If you had any sanity at all, you would have noticed "grow up and get a grip" was aimed at you Una.

05-21-2002, 12:29 AM	#9
Administrator The Man Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 65,544	Una that avatar ws uncalled for, as well as your comments, you are no longer welcome in the forums with an imature attitude as that. C-ya and grow up.

05-21-2002, 01:14 AM	#11
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	Zoson, thanks for explaining all that! Witht that said, I dont think anything more is needed in this thread as the entire story is laid out. __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

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