Final Product, Good Design?

Spinoza · 09-10-2001, 01:22 AM

I have a final product from my work this summer. Well, it's running so we'll call it final... It's like a microsoft thing... So this summer, I designed and built a water cooling setup for dual Athlons. I originally didn't think I would overclock, see as there are no adjustments on the multiplier or FSB on the Tyan Thunder K7. So I just went for a quiet efficient water setup. I had 2 11 inch radiators and I had 4 low output panaflow fans for them. However soon after I came across golden sockets... bought two of them... and upped the demand of my cooling system. I purchased a heater core style radiator (D-tek) and went to work cutting up my case. Here is the result.

this picture gives a feel for the whole design, but requires a bit of explanation. The radiator is sitting in a big hole in the top of the case. It goes in about 1/4 of an inch or so... the pump is directy underneith the radiator, sitting on top of the power supply. The small tupper-ware container is the top of a T on the intake of the pump (the system is inline) The entire top back of the case is enclosed in dense foam sheets, and the sides are lined with foam around the fans, to seal them to the enclosure. All the fans pull air out of this sealed area, pulling air through the radiator.

A close up of the enclosure with one side off. Shows the small tupper-ware on top of the intake T. and some random hoses.

gives an idea of the whole setup... well, with the blocks bent off to the side to get the mainboard in. In took me a few days after I got the cooling system running to get up the balls to put that much money underneith it....

A good picture of the serial setup of the blocks, my custom mounting and hold down to the mainboard tray. and a little pick of the golden sockets with some air cooling.

A little Artisitic impression working it's way in.

Basically just me being a big conceeded prick and putting up a bragging picture

Right now I'm running at stock speed, 1.2Ghz, but the golden sockets are under chips. My coolent temp stays around 32.5 degrees or so, CPU0 reads 43 CPU1 reads 40 . (I don't believe in Idling) The difference is probably due to the serial setup... but I'm not 100% convinced, as CPU1 acctually gets the water first, but a simple sensor reference swap could happen anywhere. Those temps seem pretty good for internal thermal junction readings... Any one else have Athlon MP chips with temps??

Thanks for reading... comments welcome.

PS I'll be overclocking soon... need to get bigger balls....

Joe · 09-10-2001, 02:25 AM

Looking slick!

jastrckl · 09-10-2001, 08:18 AM

I'm not a big fan of windows (EMI issues), but most of the rest of it looks decent. I'd personally run T's and do a parallel setup instead of serial, hate to dump hot water on an already hot chip.

XOD · 09-10-2001, 02:07 PM

I wouldn't think windows would cause emi issues, thought maybe it would actually help seeing as it is non conductive, but that goes to show my knowledge of emi

Spinoza · 09-10-2001, 02:18 PM

Conductive materials, IE metal stop electromagnetic waves. That's why your cell phone won't work in an elevator. (That bull shit product "internal antenna".. I can even use my cell phone in an elevator... Yeah.. maybe a wooden one.) Any way, windows would let EM energy out of the machine, but only a small amount. It's not really as big of a deal as people think. Your blender puts out more EM power then a computer. If you take all the energy your computer draws, take away all the waste heat, you're left with next to nothing to produce EM with.

Overlag · 09-10-2001, 02:54 PM

nice stuff!

Get overclocking and add some peltiers

oops there i go again

I think i see in that pic u have the flow into one of the blocks wrong, it should be coming in at the center... or i may of not seen it rightly

Spinoza · 09-10-2001, 07:00 PM

There is no way that I could do peltiers... it wouldn't help really, can't OC the FSB anyway so you get diminishing returns with the multiplier. With two peltier the system would idle at like 500 watts.... I don't need any more on my electric bill.... The tubes are hooked up right... That picture doesn't show it well but one block is upside down compared to the other... cause that's how the chips are..

Overlag · 09-10-2001, 08:40 PM

i was joking about peltiers mate

I too with only 1 156watt peltier am wondering if its worth it... yeah sure ive got another 100mhz out of it but all this work just to get 1600mhz out of a 1200

mpfos · 09-10-2001, 11:08 PM

looks good to me

Spinoza · 09-11-2001, 11:28 AM

UPDATE:
I've overclocked the chips to 1.4Ghz .. since it takes an hour to get the blocks off and on... I'm glad it worked. My temps aren't really any higher then they were before. Still never breaks 50C even with the AC off and the ambiant temp nearing 30C ..

Kevin · 09-23-2001, 10:27 PM

Wow... dual 1.4 ghz Athlons

. And I thought I was spiffy running ONE of 'em.
-Kevin

clone · 10-02-2001, 08:56 PM

nice setup clean good job

as for the emi issues can i smack you whoever wrote that take a look at my computer http://www.mauigateway.com/~noenoe/pic/
i have no issue and for gods sack it is plexi glass ZERO sheliding and Zero groundin of anything other then what the psu connectos provide i have NO issues so i dont know what you are talking about

but sweet setup

09-10-2001, 01:22 AM	#1
Spinoza Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 42	Final Product, Good Design? I have a final product from my work this summer. Well, it's running so we'll call it final... It's like a microsoft thing... So this summer, I designed and built a water cooling setup for dual Athlons. I originally didn't think I would overclock, see as there are no adjustments on the multiplier or FSB on the Tyan Thunder K7. So I just went for a quiet efficient water setup. I had 2 11 inch radiators and I had 4 low output panaflow fans for them. However soon after I came across golden sockets... bought two of them... and upped the demand of my cooling system. I purchased a heater core style radiator (D-tek) and went to work cutting up my case. Here is the result. this picture gives a feel for the whole design, but requires a bit of explanation. The radiator is sitting in a big hole in the top of the case. It goes in about 1/4 of an inch or so... the pump is directy underneith the radiator, sitting on top of the power supply. The small tupper-ware container is the top of a T on the intake of the pump (the system is inline) The entire top back of the case is enclosed in dense foam sheets, and the sides are lined with foam around the fans, to seal them to the enclosure. All the fans pull air out of this sealed area, pulling air through the radiator. A close up of the enclosure with one side off. Shows the small tupper-ware on top of the intake T. and some random hoses. gives an idea of the whole setup... well, with the blocks bent off to the side to get the mainboard in. In took me a few days after I got the cooling system running to get up the balls to put that much money underneith it.... A good picture of the serial setup of the blocks, my custom mounting and hold down to the mainboard tray. and a little pick of the golden sockets with some air cooling. A little Artisitic impression working it's way in. Basically just me being a big conceeded prick and putting up a bragging picture Right now I'm running at stock speed, 1.2Ghz, but the golden sockets are under chips. My coolent temp stays around 32.5 degrees or so, CPU0 reads 43 CPU1 reads 40 . (I don't believe in Idling) The difference is probably due to the serial setup... but I'm not 100% convinced, as CPU1 acctually gets the water first, but a simple sensor reference swap could happen anywhere. Those temps seem pretty good for internal thermal junction readings... Any one else have Athlon MP chips with temps?? Thanks for reading... comments welcome. PS I'll be overclocking soon... need to get bigger balls.... __________________ Thunder K7 Athlon 1800's Danger Den/Ehiem to cool jig of RAM http://www.cs.oswego.edu/~vito/complete.jpg

09-10-2001, 02:25 AM	#2
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	Looking slick! __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

09-10-2001, 02:07 PM	#4
XOD Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Springfield MO Posts: 18	I wouldn't think windows would cause emi issues, thought maybe it would actually help seeing as it is non conductive, but that goes to show my knowledge of emi __________________ Current HSF running AMD K7 Classic 800@880 via FSB OCing. Soon to be T-bird 1.4 possibly with pelt and H2O (if results from here look good...

09-10-2001, 02:18 PM	#5
Spinoza Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 42	Conductive materials, IE metal stop electromagnetic waves. That's why your cell phone won't work in an elevator. (That bull shit product "internal antenna".. I can even use my cell phone in an elevator... Yeah.. maybe a wooden one.) Any way, windows would let EM energy out of the machine, but only a small amount. It's not really as big of a deal as people think. Your blender puts out more EM power then a computer. If you take all the energy your computer draws, take away all the waste heat, you're left with next to nothing to produce EM with. __________________ Thunder K7 Athlon 1800's Danger Den/Ehiem to cool jig of RAM http://www.cs.oswego.edu/~vito/complete.jpg

09-10-2001, 02:54 PM	#6
Overlag Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Essex UK Posts: 21	nice stuff! Get overclocking and add some peltiers oops there i go again I think i see in that pic u have the flow into one of the blocks wrong, it should be coming in at the center... or i may of not seen it rightly __________________ From Overlag AKA Adam Webb CPU:A64 3200\|2000 @ 2350mhz MB:Asus K8V Ram:512mb PC3200 Corsair @ 235 2-3-3-6 GFX:ATI 9700pro 357/337 Cooling:watercooled DD maze2-1 modded 20431

09-10-2001, 08:18 AM	#3
jastrckl Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 26	I'm not a big fan of windows (EMI issues), but most of the rest of it looks decent. I'd personally run T's and do a parallel setup instead of serial, hate to dump hot water on an already hot chip.

09-10-2001, 07:00 PM	#7
Spinoza Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 42	There is no way that I could do peltiers... it wouldn't help really, can't OC the FSB anyway so you get diminishing returns with the multiplier. With two peltier the system would idle at like 500 watts.... I don't need any more on my electric bill.... The tubes are hooked up right... That picture doesn't show it well but one block is upside down compared to the other... cause that's how the chips are.. __________________ Thunder K7 Athlon 1800's Danger Den/Ehiem to cool jig of RAM http://www.cs.oswego.edu/~vito/complete.jpg

09-10-2001, 08:40 PM	#8
Overlag Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Essex UK Posts: 21	i was joking about peltiers mate I too with only 1 156watt peltier am wondering if its worth it... yeah sure ive got another 100mhz out of it but all this work just to get 1600mhz out of a 1200 __________________ From Overlag AKA Adam Webb CPU:A64 3200\|2000 @ 2350mhz MB:Asus K8V Ram:512mb PC3200 Corsair @ 235 2-3-3-6 GFX:ATI 9700pro 357/337 Cooling:watercooled DD maze2-1 modded 20431

09-10-2001, 11:08 PM	#9
mpfos Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 29	looks good to me

09-11-2001, 11:28 AM	#10
Spinoza Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 42	UPDATE: I've overclocked the chips to 1.4Ghz .. since it takes an hour to get the blocks off and on... I'm glad it worked. My temps aren't really any higher then they were before. Still never breaks 50C even with the AC off and the ambiant temp nearing 30C .. __________________ Thunder K7 Athlon 1800's Danger Den/Ehiem to cool jig of RAM http://www.cs.oswego.edu/~vito/complete.jpg

09-23-2001, 10:27 PM	#11
Kevin Slacking more than your weird uncle Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: San Diego, CA (UCSD) / Los Angeles, CA (home) Posts: 1,605	Wow... dual 1.4 ghz Athlons . And I thought I was spiffy running ONE of 'em. -Kevin __________________ I used to throw hot coffee all over the ass of the horse there, then whip him while he was kickin' at me. Those f***in things are crazy.

10-02-2001, 08:56 PM	#12
clone Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2001 Location: West Springfield, MA Posts: 160	nice setup clean good job as for the emi issues can i smack you whoever wrote that take a look at my computer http://www.mauigateway.com/~noenoe/pic/ i have no issue and for gods sack it is plexi glass ZERO sheliding and Zero groundin of anything other then what the psu connectos provide i have NO issues so i dont know what you are talking about but sweet setup

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