HEY GUYZ IM NEW HELP ME OUT A BIT

tgcgamekeeper · 07-21-2001, 10:08 PM

I HAVE ORDERED THIS Z3 SET UP I NEED TO KNOW IS IT A NICE SETUP AND HOW KEWL WILL THIS ARE ANY WATER COOLING SET UP KEWL MY CHIP MY INTEL 1.7 RUNS @ 47 TO 55C HOW LOW CAN IT GO

Z3 INTERCOOLER KIT

tgcgamekeeper · 07-21-2001, 10:09 PM

oop's sorry about the cap's

redleader · 07-21-2001, 10:31 PM

Looks kind of sucky. No name, weak pump, modest radiator and no details on the quality of the way overpriced block (for $2 more you could get a damn Maze2!) Not to mention that it mixes copper and Al. No excuse for doing that for that kind of cost.

I'd definately go elsewhere. Like Eheim 1250 + Cube/BigMama + Maze2. Thats about $150 before shipping and tuning and will smoke the above kit.

BTW, how exactly do you get one of those on a P4? I thought the sockets required you to use the holes, do they even have lugs on them?

tgcgamekeeper · 07-21-2001, 10:37 PM

thanks friend and no i dont have it yet its on the way and where is a maze url so i can check it out and does anybody have a url on rating these cpu water coolers

redleader · 07-21-2001, 10:40 PM

Woah fast reply! Check www.dangerden.com for the Maze type coolers.

tgcgamekeeper · 07-21-2001, 11:43 PM

tank's readleader

tgcgamekeeper · 07-21-2001, 11:58 PM

geez that thing is hugh and i dont see any fan how does it cool the water ,and that pump looks like it could pump out half the seven sea,s awesome

tgcgamekeeper · 07-21-2001, 11:59 PM

oops lol

tgcgamekeeper · 07-22-2001, 12:00 AM

and where does that raditor fit , does it have its own case lol

redleader · 07-22-2001, 12:52 AM

I'd go with just plain watercooling myself, pelts are useful but also hard to setup. You need foam and perhaps nonconductive gel to gaurd against condensation and the P4 runs so hot you would need a very high wattage to cool it. Probably too high for your power supply to handle, which means a second power supply.

But they are really l33t

tgcgamekeeper · 07-22-2001, 02:13 AM

well i have a huge case and what kinda power supply would you guyz recomend if i got the z3 setup

tgcgamekeeper · 07-22-2001, 02:15 AM

how long does it take for the condensation to set in and what can i do to stop it.or can i stop it

GuyBFF · 07-22-2001, 04:55 AM

I definely agree with Redleader. Don't go Z3.

Get yourself a Maze 2 with 1/2" barbs, 7 or so feet of silicon tubing in 1/2" and possibly the eheim 1250 pump (you'll also need the 5/8" to 1/2" kit for the inlet on this pump) from www.dangerden.com.

Then for rads get the D-tek Cooler core (just like the Big Momma, but cheaper and has 1/2" fittings, oh ya it is full copper, just painted silver) at http://dtekcustoms.safeshopper.com/7/24.htm?901

Another option for pumps (what I'm using as local suppliers and shippig sucks to Canada) is the Danner Mag-Drive #3 - 350gph. 1/2" barbs screw right in (one mail, one female). It's cheaper than the eheim, pumps as good and very silent (but I hear Eheim's are the most silent and reliable, these aren't far behind)

Condensation won't form if you just water cool (without the peltier) as nothing ever goes below room temperature. I'd start with basic water cooling, then if you feel the need move up to a peltier when you know more about what needs to be done for condensation (it's a whole 'nother art!!!)

tgcgamekeeper · 07-22-2001, 10:51 AM

well maybe you guys are right but , the z3 is fits inside my case so much better and the other set up might be much better but its just so big and ugly lookin.
i dont want a big ugly set with two 40 gallon fish tanks to supply the water.

i just want may rig to run a little cooler

resago · 07-22-2001, 11:41 AM

That little radiator is gonna fry your expensive chip.

I'de return that kit without even opening the box.

I suggest reading the entire forum before ordering your system.

Darkhorse · 07-22-2001, 11:54 AM

I'd second that. I've picked up a lot of useful info that has probably saved me from killing my kit.

platypii · 07-22-2001, 12:30 PM

In my opinion the z3 kit isn't a great choice, you can find everything you need from that kit seperately for less money. I have the Z3 copper block, a magdrive 2, and a bigger radiator for about half the price! Admittedly my resivoir is a piece of tupperware I went at with a knife and silicone sealant, but it's quite effective. Mine is also out side of my case in a shoebox.... whc seems to be not what you're looking for, but I think you could buy things that would fit without much difficulty for a better price.

tgcgamekeeper · 07-22-2001, 03:55 PM

well i found out after i ordered it that all sales are final .
i have not gotten it yet what can i do .

BladeRunner · 07-22-2001, 04:26 PM

If you can't return it don't loose heart as the basics of the kit are ok to start with.

It's also supplied from www.overclockershideout.com and I'm also using the Copper block that comes with that kit. Although it doesn't incorporate a built in hold down like the Maze 2 it has bigger & better water channel CNC'ing. The Maze 2 didn't exist back then, (and I think it has recently been improved in the water channel area as well).

The OCH block is very big and works well. It also has a lid that is attached by screws. This enabled me to take it apart and measure the base thickness. It was 4.6mm, too thick IMO so I carefully milled it down to 1mm, (very thin), and this gave 6°C max CPU load temp reduction with the same wateflow and temp.

tgcgamekeeper · 07-22-2001, 05:07 PM

thanks blade now can someone tell me where i can find a cooling kit temp bench mark shoot out please i saw one and lost the url to hit

redleader · 07-22-2001, 11:10 PM

Well Joe is working on a huge shootout that is upposedly due out on Procooling this week. But its been almost done now for about 2 months

In the mean time www.overclockers.com has done tons of reviews of one or two blocks at a time. Its hit or miss if they've ever tried your stuff though. Finally try searching these forums as well as www.hardforum.com

Also, why did you do research after you ordered? That virtually certifies that you will be disapointed!

07-21-2001, 10:08 PM	#1
tgcgamekeeper Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 21	HEY GUYZ IM NEW HELP ME OUT A BIT I HAVE ORDERED THIS Z3 SET UP I NEED TO KNOW IS IT A NICE SETUP AND HOW KEWL WILL THIS ARE ANY WATER COOLING SET UP KEWL MY CHIP MY INTEL 1.7 RUNS @ 47 TO 55C HOW LOW CAN IT GO Z3 INTERCOOLER KIT

07-22-2001, 04:55 AM	#13
GuyBFF Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Winnipeg, MB, CA Posts: 242	I definely agree with Redleader. Don't go Z3. Get yourself a Maze 2 with 1/2" barbs, 7 or so feet of silicon tubing in 1/2" and possibly the eheim 1250 pump (you'll also need the 5/8" to 1/2" kit for the inlet on this pump) from www.dangerden.com. Then for rads get the D-tek Cooler core (just like the Big Momma, but cheaper and has 1/2" fittings, oh ya it is full copper, just painted silver) at http://dtekcustoms.safeshopper.com/7/24.htm?901 Another option for pumps (what I'm using as local suppliers and shippig sucks to Canada) is the Danner Mag-Drive #3 - 350gph. 1/2" barbs screw right in (one mail, one female). It's cheaper than the eheim, pumps as good and very silent (but I hear Eheim's are the most silent and reliable, these aren't far behind) Condensation won't form if you just water cool (without the peltier) as nothing ever goes below room temperature. I'd start with basic water cooling, then if you feel the need move up to a peltier when you know more about what needs to be done for condensation (it's a whole 'nother art!!!) __________________ A7V8X Danger Den Maze II Danner Mag Drive 350 Heater Core Style Rad Thunderbird 1400 (Soon Barton) 512mb PC2700 CL2 Promise SX4000 Raid 5 w/256mb PC133 Cache 4x40gb Western Digital 7200hdd Plus More...

07-22-2001, 11:41 AM	#15
resago Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: state of denial Posts: 488	That little radiator is gonna fry your expensive chip. I'de return that kit without even opening the box. I suggest reading the entire forum before ordering your system. __________________ 2.4Ghz Compaq Workstation 2.8Ghz Custom 2700+ Custom still running 2000!!!! Help with Coding www.resago.com

07-22-2001, 12:30 PM	#17
platypii Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 22	In my opinion the z3 kit isn't a great choice, you can find everything you need from that kit seperately for less money. I have the Z3 copper block, a magdrive 2, and a bigger radiator for about half the price! Admittedly my resivoir is a piece of tupperware I went at with a knife and silicone sealant, but it's quite effective. Mine is also out side of my case in a shoebox.... whc seems to be not what you're looking for, but I think you could buy things that would fit without much difficulty for a better price. __________________ 1.2Ghz Athlon @ 1.5Ghz 512MB PC150 SDRAM Prophet II Pro @ 220mhz GPU, 450mhz DDR 140GB RAID 0 (on a hacked Promise Ultra66)

07-22-2001, 04:26 PM	#19
BladeRunner Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Chesterfield Uk Posts: 459	If you can't return it don't loose heart as the basics of the kit are ok to start with. It's also supplied from www.overclockershideout.com and I'm also using the Copper block that comes with that kit. Although it doesn't incorporate a built in hold down like the Maze 2 it has bigger & better water channel CNC'ing. The Maze 2 didn't exist back then, (and I think it has recently been improved in the water channel area as well). The OCH block is very big and works well. It also has a lid that is attached by screws. This enabled me to take it apart and measure the base thickness. It was 4.6mm, too thick IMO so I carefully milled it down to 1mm, (very thin), and this gave 6°C max CPU load temp reduction with the same wateflow and temp. __________________ Zero Fan Zone

07-21-2001, 10:09 PM	#2
tgcgamekeeper Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 21	oop's sorry about the cap's

07-21-2001, 10:31 PM	#3
redleader Thermophile Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The deserts of Tucson, Az Posts: 1,264	Looks kind of sucky. No name, weak pump, modest radiator and no details on the quality of the way overpriced block (for $2 more you could get a damn Maze2!) Not to mention that it mixes copper and Al. No excuse for doing that for that kind of cost. I'd definately go elsewhere. Like Eheim 1250 + Cube/BigMama + Maze2. Thats about $150 before shipping and tuning and will smoke the above kit. BTW, how exactly do you get one of those on a P4? I thought the sockets required you to use the holes, do they even have lugs on them?

07-21-2001, 10:37 PM	#4
tgcgamekeeper Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 21	thanks friend and no i dont have it yet its on the way and where is a maze url so i can check it out and does anybody have a url on rating these cpu water coolers

07-21-2001, 10:40 PM	#5
redleader Thermophile Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The deserts of Tucson, Az Posts: 1,264	Woah fast reply! Check www.dangerden.com for the Maze type coolers.

07-21-2001, 11:43 PM	#6
tgcgamekeeper Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 21	tank's readleader

07-21-2001, 11:58 PM	#7
tgcgamekeeper Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 21	geez that thing is hugh and i dont see any fan how does it cool the water ,and that pump looks like it could pump out half the seven sea,s awesome

07-21-2001, 11:59 PM	#8
tgcgamekeeper Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 21	oops lol

07-22-2001, 12:00 AM	#9
tgcgamekeeper Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 21	and where does that raditor fit , does it have its own case lol

07-22-2001, 12:52 AM	#10
redleader Thermophile Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The deserts of Tucson, Az Posts: 1,264	I'd go with just plain watercooling myself, pelts are useful but also hard to setup. You need foam and perhaps nonconductive gel to gaurd against condensation and the P4 runs so hot you would need a very high wattage to cool it. Probably too high for your power supply to handle, which means a second power supply. But they are really l33t

07-22-2001, 02:13 AM	#11
tgcgamekeeper Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 21	well i have a huge case and what kinda power supply would you guyz recomend if i got the z3 setup

07-22-2001, 02:15 AM	#12
tgcgamekeeper Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 21	how long does it take for the condensation to set in and what can i do to stop it.or can i stop it

07-22-2001, 10:51 AM	#14
tgcgamekeeper Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 21	well maybe you guys are right but , the z3 is fits inside my case so much better and the other set up might be much better but its just so big and ugly lookin. i dont want a big ugly set with two 40 gallon fish tanks to supply the water. i just want may rig to run a little cooler

07-22-2001, 11:54 AM	#16
Darkhorse Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: UK Posts: 103	I'd second that. I've picked up a lot of useful info that has probably saved me from killing my kit.

07-22-2001, 03:55 PM	#18
tgcgamekeeper Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 21	well i found out after i ordered it that all sales are final . i have not gotten it yet what can i do .

07-22-2001, 05:07 PM	#20
tgcgamekeeper Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 21	thanks blade now can someone tell me where i can find a cooling kit temp bench mark shoot out please i saw one and lost the url to hit

07-22-2001, 11:10 PM	#21
redleader Thermophile Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The deserts of Tucson, Az Posts: 1,264	Well Joe is working on a huge shootout that is upposedly due out on Procooling this week. But its been almost done now for about 2 months In the mean time www.overclockers.com has done tons of reviews of one or two blocks at a time. Its hit or miss if they've ever tried your stuff though. Finally try searching these forums as well as www.hardforum.com Also, why did you do research after you ordered? That virtually certifies that you will be disapointed!

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