Which Rad (blackice 2 / dd supercube / d-tek cooling core

garetjax · 10-26-2001, 08:41 AM

Hi,

I am building my first watercooling rig and I would like to know which of these new rad's are the best. None of them have been reviewed yet and I haven't seen any posts by people using them yet.

I am going to be cooling a 1.4 tbird now and moving up to an 1800xp or dual 1.1 durons.

If I get the blackice 2 I will mount it in the hard drive side above the psu. I would mount the other rads in the front of the hard drive side if I get them.

Thanks - GaretJax

terabyte · 10-26-2001, 09:12 AM

ANY heatercore will be more efficient than a regular raditor and a lot cheaper to boot. Check out what I did if you have the space for it. If not get the heatercore from DengerDen, Dtek, or Liquidcool.
Heatercore Mod

bateslabel · 10-26-2001, 10:31 AM

I am not completely setup, but from my research, I agree with Terabyte. The black ice really only has one advantage, its size. It is small so it makes for good setup that is convenient. But its performance does not warrant its price. The super cooling cube is excessively large and odd shaped to boot. The best solutions are either a heater core or the Aqua Stealth cooling cube. Heater cores are the superior coolers. The Aqua Stealth is the second best performer and seems to be easy to mount. And both are more affordable. My suggestion is the heater core if you can fit it or the Aqua Stealth for convenience. Those are the two best in my opinion.

decodeddiesel · 10-26-2001, 10:57 AM

Any converted heatercore is going to be the best performer hands down. These radiators have been in development by car manufactors for decades, and they really have perfected the design of them. They have by far the least flow drop of any radiator, they can remove a ton of heat (something like 2x as much as a Black Ice) with good air flow, and best of all if you DIY a heatercore mod you can have the highest performance radiator for right around $25.

garetjax · 10-26-2001, 12:08 PM

Guys,

If you had a yy cube (mines on the way) where would you mount a heatercore? I would not like to put it on the sides or the top. Would it get enough airflow through the front door (on the harddrive side) or could I vent it through the bottom? I could also vent it on the back where the two fans are but I would like to put two 120's there and run them 7v?

I really am not sure how much airflow these things need to work efficiently.

Thanks - Garet

Kevin · 10-26-2001, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by garetjax:

If you had a yy cube (mines on the way) where would you mount a heatercore?

I have TWO heatercores in my YY cube!

You can see where that one's mounted pretty easily. There are two 120mm fans in front of it.

This heatercore is mounted right above the power supply. I now have a better shroud for it though.
Oh and here are two purdy ones (gratuitous at that)...

garetjax · 10-26-2001, 12:50 PM

Kevin,

What the hell are you cooling with that thing - chernobl? Is that your black ice box?

My main concern for going watercooling is noise? I want this box silent using as few fans as possible to cool my cpu and geforce 3.

I am upgrading from my kt7-raid and 1.2 bird running at 1.333. With my sk6 and a sunon fan it never got above 40c full load.

I just made the decision today and bought a shuttle 266a board for $85 from newegg and 512 ddr 2100 crucial for $56. I am going to use my 1.2 tbird until the price cuts on monday filter to the retailers and then go for an xp1600 or 1700.

I don't know if anyone can answer it but what will it take to cool an xp1600 or 1700 and a geforce 3 using the quietest watercooling setup - least fans. Will 1 big momma sized heatercore do it with an eheim 1250 pump?

This forum rocks!

Thanks - Garet

WaterPog · 10-26-2001, 01:12 PM

the quietest would be a bong with as big an ehime as you can afford and whatever block you like best....but the bong filling etc will kill you over time.

so probably something along the lines of a good heater core would make more sence.

my leviathan was able to cool the T-bird at 1.4G with NO fans, with the radiator outside the box on a milk crate. Just convective air flow was able to keep it cool enough, just don't expect super low temps that way.

decodeddiesel · 10-26-2001, 06:09 PM

I don't know, I was a long time bong user and the inconvience of filling it often and the worry of it running out of water and my pump siezing was enough to turn me away. Thats not even mentioning legionair's disease and the nasty junk that built up in my MAZE 2. I am using an inline heatercore setup now with a RC Fuel tank as an inline "fill tank/air trap". It copes with my OC'd 1.33 and a 156 watt TEC well. This rig would deffiniatly handle your XP and GF3 with little problems and a single fan.

garetjax · 10-26-2001, 06:40 PM

decodediesal,

How big is your heatercore? Big mama size or lethevian size? If a bigmama sized core would handle my bird and geforce 3 I would rather use that with one fan versus a lethevian size with 2.

Kevin,

Your mods look excellent! I have a few questions.

What kind of pump are you going to use and where will it be mounted?

Where did you get those fan covers?

Thanks - Garet

redleader · 10-26-2001, 11:32 PM

I noticed no real drop rheostating my DTek core's fan down to below the noise level of my combined powersupply/Deskstar. Running at about 40CFM is only 1-2 C different then running at 80 CFM, although my Duron is only using ~ 3/5 the power of a high end TBird.

Now I need to get around to undervolting the power supply fan (case temp is now basically room temp thanks to a few undervolted L1As and a GPU block).

garetjax · 10-27-2001, 08:18 AM

Redleader,

I tried to design my current lanparty box to be quiet. In my current lanparty box (an enlight 7237) I have 4 panaflows HA1's - 1 in the front blowing air in, one on the side next to the cpu/gpu blowing air in, a blowhole on the top blowing air out, and one on the back blowing air out. I have them run at 7v all the time. They are quieter than the 60mm sunon on my sk6, my psu and my harddrive.

I can barely tell the sound difference between the 4 of them being on and the 4 of them being off. What is really interesting is that when I run them at 12v there is no temp difference - just a lot more noise.

I am getting a black digidoc 5 to match my case and I will be monitoring everything. My goal is to keep the cpu at 40c fully loaded with a quiet a system as possible - fewest fans. I am probably going to have to slowly test things and use motherboard monitor to determine what I can get away with before I have to cut holes for more fans. I can't tell but I think a lot of sound comes out of the blowhole so I would prefer to just use the fan holes in the back if possible in addition to the rad fans.

To get rid of the psu noise I am getting an enermax 465 with the fans that can be controlled by my digidoc.

Garet

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Kevin · 10-27-2001, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by garetjax:
Kevin,
What the hell are you cooling with that thing - chernobl?

Haha nothing yet. It is kinda put on hold til i come home from college around X-mas time to spiff it up

. But yeah I cooled chernobyl for a while... no meltdowns.

Quote:

Originally posted by garetjax:
My main concern for going watercooling is noise?

So is mine. There are two 120mm intakes on the front mounted radiator and two 120mm exhausts on the top. Those are all JMC fans which don't put out too much air, but are very quiet (and only 25mm thick at that...). The 4 80mm fans that blow in on the big momma are Panaflo L1As on a fanbus. Those are even quieter than the JMCs. And those will be my only fans in the system (besides the psu ones).

Quote:

Originally posted by garetjax:
What kind of pump are you going to use and where will it be mounted?

Eheim 1250. I already have it right here. I'm still debating. To be honest, no clue yet

. There are a bunch of places I COULD put it though.

Quote:

Originally posted by garetjax:

Where did you get those fan covers?

PCMods. They're pretty nice, but pricey. I feel ripped off (even though they look BAD ASS when lit up

).

garetjax · 10-27-2001, 07:10 PM

Kevin,

I read about your weekend - I feel your pain man - I had a similar one when I was at college - heading to UNH with some of the soccer team to see the ramones (first time drunken stage diving!) - etc. etc. Glad you made it back ok.

I was set on getting the eheim 1250 but now I am considering the danner 5 or 7 because it is much smaller. I am not going to do anything until my cube arrives next week and I can really make some measurements. Those fan grills are bad ass - I really like them and I was thinking today f**k it I am spending so much already whats 20 bucks more?

As I posted I think I get alot of noise out of my current blowhole so I don't want any if possible - I am leaning towards a bigger rad - levethian or make my own levethian and placing it where you did with two 7v 120 panaflows. I would then use 2 120 panaflows monunted in the back where the fan holes are and also run them at 7v - all controlled by the black digidoc. I can't wait to see it - black is beautiful baby! I got it from directron - also there is a 15$ coupon I used for them as well!

This is a test water rig. If it works out ok I will move the shuttle/xp chip to my main box a supermicro 750 and I will put a decent dual amd board in the cube - waiting for the 760mpx boards to come out.

Garetjax

feliberti20 · 10-29-2001, 01:43 PM

hey decodded do you have any spare stuff from your bong cooler? and were you able to oc more with the bong or your current setup?
I have been a reaer and "lurker long enough to know about you incident with a certain rio pump that destryed your comp. sad day for sure!

[ 10-29-2001: Message edited by: Jose R. Feliberti ]

decodeddiesel · 10-29-2001, 03:20 PM

I have my bong just sitting in the corner of my shop collecting dust (which interestingly enough is the first one ever to be implimented as a PC cooling device back when Xjinn first developed the idea). I really don't want to get rid of it just yet but I'm probably not going to ever use it again. I really like my heatercore. As to OC levels it's hard to say. When I was using my Bong and a 156 watt TEC I had a 1GHz week 9 AXIA Y. It would do 1490 at default Vcore. It was probably the best OC % chip I have ever seen. Sadly now it holds the spot of honor on my key chain right next to my old Dog Tags from my M1 Tanker days. My current chip is a 1.33 AXIA 9 which clocks like complete s***. I can barely get it to 1.53 stable at any voltage. With my 1GHz AXIA I could crank at 1600 2.1 Vcore. As for my heatercore I am using a 1980's (all the same, I asked for a 1987) Ford Escort with AC. It has horizontal IN/OUT fittings that are 3/4". I don't remember the dimensions off the top of my head but it's roughly 6.25" x 7.5" of cooling area. It cost me $17 from Autozone and it is by far the best radiator I have ever used. It keeps my coolant about 3C higher than my 36" Bong cooler could, so I'm mighty happy with it. I would completly reccomend it.

garetjax · 11-01-2001, 11:16 AM

Kevin,

I got my yy cube and I have been planning my mods for it. I wanted to put a rad in the front of the case like you did and I was hoping to use the leviathan. Unfortunately I can't because it is 6 1/4" wide and the motherboard chamber is 5 3/4" wide. Where did you get your rad and what model # is it? Also what size are those grills?

Thanks - Garet

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10-26-2001, 08:41 AM	#1
garetjax Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Mass, USA Posts: 48	Which Rad (blackice 2 / dd supercube / d-tek cooling core Hi, I am building my first watercooling rig and I would like to know which of these new rad's are the best. None of them have been reviewed yet and I haven't seen any posts by people using them yet. I am going to be cooling a 1.4 tbird now and moving up to an 1800xp or dual 1.1 durons. If I get the blackice 2 I will mount it in the hard drive side above the psu. I would mount the other rads in the front of the hard drive side if I get them. Thanks - GaretJax

10-26-2001, 10:57 AM	#4
decodeddiesel Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: classified Posts: 534	Any converted heatercore is going to be the best performer hands down. These radiators have been in development by car manufactors for decades, and they really have perfected the design of them. They have by far the least flow drop of any radiator, they can remove a ton of heat (something like 2x as much as a Black Ice) with good air flow, and best of all if you DIY a heatercore mod you can have the highest performance radiator for right around $25. __________________ ...i hurt... do me a favor, disconect me... they can re-work me but i'll never be top of the line again ...i'd rather be nothing...

10-26-2001, 01:12 PM	#8
WaterPog Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 50	the quietest would be a bong with as big an ehime as you can afford and whatever block you like best....but the bong filling etc will kill you over time. so probably something along the lines of a good heater core would make more sence. my leviathan was able to cool the T-bird at 1.4G with NO fans, with the radiator outside the box on a milk crate. Just convective air flow was able to keep it cool enough, just don't expect super low temps that way. __________________ 1.4G AHYJA-Y @ 1.6G with H2O system. Ehime 1060, LiquidCool leviathan, Spir@l Block, all 1/2" It will post at 1725, that is where I want it to be stable....

10-26-2001, 06:09 PM	#9
decodeddiesel Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: classified Posts: 534	I don't know, I was a long time bong user and the inconvience of filling it often and the worry of it running out of water and my pump siezing was enough to turn me away. Thats not even mentioning legionair's disease and the nasty junk that built up in my MAZE 2. I am using an inline heatercore setup now with a RC Fuel tank as an inline "fill tank/air trap". It copes with my OC'd 1.33 and a 156 watt TEC well. This rig would deffiniatly handle your XP and GF3 with little problems and a single fan. __________________ ...i hurt... do me a favor, disconect me... they can re-work me but i'll never be top of the line again ...i'd rather be nothing...

10-29-2001, 01:43 PM	#15
feliberti20 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Pax River MD Posts: 10	hey decodded do you have any spare stuff from your bong cooler? and were you able to oc more with the bong or your current setup? I have been a reaer and "lurker long enough to know about you incident with a certain rio pump that destryed your comp. sad day for sure! [ 10-29-2001: Message edited by: Jose R. Feliberti ] __________________ My rig: 1500xp@1800xp(139x11)8k7a@2.15vbong COOLED w/maze2 28.6C@full load. Radeon 8500oem 260/270 2x30gb 75gxp raid-0

10-26-2001, 09:12 AM	#2
terabyte Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 44	ANY heatercore will be more efficient than a regular raditor and a lot cheaper to boot. Check out what I did if you have the space for it. If not get the heatercore from DengerDen, Dtek, or Liquidcool. Heatercore Mod

10-26-2001, 10:31 AM	#3
bateslabel Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17	I am not completely setup, but from my research, I agree with Terabyte. The black ice really only has one advantage, its size. It is small so it makes for good setup that is convenient. But its performance does not warrant its price. The super cooling cube is excessively large and odd shaped to boot. The best solutions are either a heater core or the Aqua Stealth cooling cube. Heater cores are the superior coolers. The Aqua Stealth is the second best performer and seems to be easy to mount. And both are more affordable. My suggestion is the heater core if you can fit it or the Aqua Stealth for convenience. Those are the two best in my opinion.

10-26-2001, 12:08 PM	#5
garetjax Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Mass, USA Posts: 48	Guys, If you had a yy cube (mines on the way) where would you mount a heatercore? I would not like to put it on the sides or the top. Would it get enough airflow through the front door (on the harddrive side) or could I vent it through the bottom? I could also vent it on the back where the two fans are but I would like to put two 120's there and run them 7v? I really am not sure how much airflow these things need to work efficiently. Thanks - Garet

10-26-2001, 12:50 PM	#7
garetjax Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Mass, USA Posts: 48	Kevin, What the hell are you cooling with that thing - chernobl? Is that your black ice box? My main concern for going watercooling is noise? I want this box silent using as few fans as possible to cool my cpu and geforce 3. I am upgrading from my kt7-raid and 1.2 bird running at 1.333. With my sk6 and a sunon fan it never got above 40c full load. I just made the decision today and bought a shuttle 266a board for $85 from newegg and 512 ddr 2100 crucial for $56. I am going to use my 1.2 tbird until the price cuts on monday filter to the retailers and then go for an xp1600 or 1700. I don't know if anyone can answer it but what will it take to cool an xp1600 or 1700 and a geforce 3 using the quietest watercooling setup - least fans. Will 1 big momma sized heatercore do it with an eheim 1250 pump? This forum rocks! Thanks - Garet

10-26-2001, 06:40 PM	#10
garetjax Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Mass, USA Posts: 48	decodediesal, How big is your heatercore? Big mama size or lethevian size? If a bigmama sized core would handle my bird and geforce 3 I would rather use that with one fan versus a lethevian size with 2. Kevin, Your mods look excellent! I have a few questions. What kind of pump are you going to use and where will it be mounted? Where did you get those fan covers? Thanks - Garet

10-26-2001, 11:32 PM	#11
redleader Thermophile Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The deserts of Tucson, Az Posts: 1,264	I noticed no real drop rheostating my DTek core's fan down to below the noise level of my combined powersupply/Deskstar. Running at about 40CFM is only 1-2 C different then running at 80 CFM, although my Duron is only using ~ 3/5 the power of a high end TBird. Now I need to get around to undervolting the power supply fan (case temp is now basically room temp thanks to a few undervolted L1As and a GPU block).

10-27-2001, 08:18 AM	#12
garetjax Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Mass, USA Posts: 48	Redleader, I tried to design my current lanparty box to be quiet. In my current lanparty box (an enlight 7237) I have 4 panaflows HA1's - 1 in the front blowing air in, one on the side next to the cpu/gpu blowing air in, a blowhole on the top blowing air out, and one on the back blowing air out. I have them run at 7v all the time. They are quieter than the 60mm sunon on my sk6, my psu and my harddrive. I can barely tell the sound difference between the 4 of them being on and the 4 of them being off. What is really interesting is that when I run them at 12v there is no temp difference - just a lot more noise. I am getting a black digidoc 5 to match my case and I will be monitoring everything. My goal is to keep the cpu at 40c fully loaded with a quiet a system as possible - fewest fans. I am probably going to have to slowly test things and use motherboard monitor to determine what I can get away with before I have to cut holes for more fans. I can't tell but I think a lot of sound comes out of the blowhole so I would prefer to just use the fan holes in the back if possible in addition to the rad fans. To get rid of the psu noise I am getting an enermax 465 with the fans that can be controlled by my digidoc. Garet [ 10-27-2001: Message edited by: garetjax ]

10-27-2001, 07:10 PM	#14
garetjax Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Mass, USA Posts: 48	Kevin, I read about your weekend - I feel your pain man - I had a similar one when I was at college - heading to UNH with some of the soccer team to see the ramones (first time drunken stage diving!) - etc. etc. Glad you made it back ok. I was set on getting the eheim 1250 but now I am considering the danner 5 or 7 because it is much smaller. I am not going to do anything until my cube arrives next week and I can really make some measurements. Those fan grills are bad ass - I really like them and I was thinking today f**k it I am spending so much already whats 20 bucks more? As I posted I think I get alot of noise out of my current blowhole so I don't want any if possible - I am leaning towards a bigger rad - levethian or make my own levethian and placing it where you did with two 7v 120 panaflows. I would then use 2 120 panaflows monunted in the back where the fan holes are and also run them at 7v - all controlled by the black digidoc. I can't wait to see it - black is beautiful baby! I got it from directron - also there is a 15$ coupon I used for them as well! This is a test water rig. If it works out ok I will move the shuttle/xp chip to my main box a supermicro 750 and I will put a decent dual amd board in the cube - waiting for the 760mpx boards to come out. Garetjax

10-29-2001, 03:20 PM	#16
decodeddiesel Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: classified Posts: 534	I have my bong just sitting in the corner of my shop collecting dust (which interestingly enough is the first one ever to be implimented as a PC cooling device back when Xjinn first developed the idea). I really don't want to get rid of it just yet but I'm probably not going to ever use it again. I really like my heatercore. As to OC levels it's hard to say. When I was using my Bong and a 156 watt TEC I had a 1GHz week 9 AXIA Y. It would do 1490 at default Vcore. It was probably the best OC % chip I have ever seen. Sadly now it holds the spot of honor on my key chain right next to my old Dog Tags from my M1 Tanker days. My current chip is a 1.33 AXIA 9 which clocks like complete s***. I can barely get it to 1.53 stable at any voltage. With my 1GHz AXIA I could crank at 1600 2.1 Vcore. As for my heatercore I am using a 1980's (all the same, I asked for a 1987) Ford Escort with AC. It has horizontal IN/OUT fittings that are 3/4". I don't remember the dimensions off the top of my head but it's roughly 6.25" x 7.5" of cooling area. It cost me $17 from Autozone and it is by far the best radiator I have ever used. It keeps my coolant about 3C higher than my 36" Bong cooler could, so I'm mighty happy with it. I would completly reccomend it. __________________ ...i hurt... do me a favor, disconect me... they can re-work me but i'll never be top of the line again ...i'd rather be nothing...

11-01-2001, 11:16 AM	#17
garetjax Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Mass, USA Posts: 48	Kevin, I got my yy cube and I have been planning my mods for it. I wanted to put a rad in the front of the case like you did and I was hoping to use the leviathan. Unfortunately I can't because it is 6 1/4" wide and the motherboard chamber is 5 3/4" wide. Where did you get your rad and what model # is it? Also what size are those grills? Thanks - Garet [ 11-01-2001: Message edited by: garetjax ] [ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: garetjax ]

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