Alright, I am going Water Cooled -- Any thoughts on my planned system??

skrill · 09-19-2001, 08:57 PM

I have decided that even my quiet MC462 solution is too loud -- I am sure that most people would be fine with it (its probably not noticably louder than an OEM computer) little less than 40db -- but I want silence and performance.

Soooo......

I am going to be building a nearly silent water cooling setup that will be completely housed within my Directron case (basically a jet-black 1040b). Here is my plan.

I will run an Eheim 1048 Pump www.dangerden.com/test/mall/pumps.asp -- the pump will be mounted on the floor of the case (right behind the 80mm fan mount). The pump will be bolted to the case with some B-Quiet and Sonex foam between it and the case itself. Should be inaudible. A hole will be cut in the floor of the case to allow for the pumps power cord.

Pump water to a Black Ice Radiator -- www.data-detective.com/overclock/black_ice.htm -- fastened to a 120mm x 25mm JMC fan (61cfm@27db) -- www.caseetc.com/cgi-bin/caseetc/F-378.html -- . The fan will be attached to the inside top of the case -- with the Black Ice underneath it. The Fan will pull the air through the rad and out the blow-hole I will cut in top of the case. The radiator sould fit fine, although I may need to move my CDRW and DVD drives down to the lowest two 5 1/4 slots (currently they are in the middle two).

Water block will be a Danger Den Maze 2 -- www.dangerden.com/test/images/MAZE2/MAZE2X_Large.gif

The whole case will be insulated with B-Quiet Brown Bread -- www.b-quiet.com/brownbread.html -- and Sonex Foam -- www.2cooltek.safeshopper.com/44/238.htm?370 -- .

Everything will be self-contained within the case -- and its a totally closed system. According to the people I have talked to -- it should run very cool and very quiet, while still allowing outstanding overclocks. A nice closed system.

I will continue to run 4 Silencer 80mm case fans -- 20db's (I may take these out if they prove unnecessary or loud at all). And a Panaflo 92mm L1A over on a hole over the AGP slot. The only other fans will be the North Bridge chipset fan, a Blue Orb on my GF3, and the Antec PSU fan. I don't believe any of these put out serious DB's.

Any thoughts on this setup? Any ways to make it better more quiet? I would like to hear some constuctive criticism.

BTW, my Quiet Swiftech HSF Solution -- www.forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=37&threadid=562832 -- swiftech will be on the market soon.

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redleader · 09-20-2001, 12:12 AM

Few things, get that pump isolated. Thats where most of your noise will come from if it done wrong. Good call with the eheim, they are silent if you keep them from rattling the case.

Ditch the Silencers. They just plain suck. They flow almost no air at the speed they quote the dBA from and have to throttle up much louder just to match an L1A. Besides 4 is overkill unless you got lots of hot cards and drives.

The Orb is pretty loud as well. The box quotes 26dB or something along those lines, but its at least several times louder then rated. Besides its a poor cooler, thanks to its 3 piece base many stock fans are with a few defrees of it.

Foams usally not worth the effot. Its much better to go after the source, which you are doing nicely. Spend the time to throttle some of your excess CFMs with rheostats or to get a GPU/chipset block and ditch those higher pitched fans altogether.

Sounds like a kickass system. Good luck.

Kevin · 09-20-2001, 05:14 PM

Well what CPU are you cooling? you forgot to mention it. But I do think that is a very nice system. You don't really need to insulate the pump. Eheims are super quiet. Their main problems are case rattling. So if you do what you said you were gonna do, you should be fine w/ pump noise. Like it was said, you don't need all those case fans. They won't do much for your cooling. Bottom line is that most of your heat is being removed from the H2O block... to give a bit more advice on how the fans should be set up, can you tell me how the JMC fan is set up w/ the Black Ice radiator? Is it exhaust/intake? Where in the case?
-Kevin

skrill · 09-20-2001, 05:55 PM

In my sig is a link to a detail of my Rig.

Basically I have a 1.4ghz Athlon. I am currently clocked up to 1.63ghz@2.09 Vcore. I definately want to keep fresh air coming into the case because (a) the GF3 needs it -- O/C'ed to 240/560, (b) the DDR memory gets pretty hot (Crucial PC2100 encased in ThermalTake heat spreaders @ 2.9 Vram), and (c) the Black Ice will need the air to pull through. I will have the BlackIce connected to the JMC fan, which in turn is connected to the blow-hole at the top of the case. The JMC will suck air from inside the case, through the Rad, and out the Blow-hole.

Like this Flow ===> Black Ice ===> JMC Fan ===> Blow Hole out the case.

Does that help explain things.

BrianW · 09-20-2001, 09:57 PM

imho

It is optimal to seperate the airflow for the rad and for the rest of ur case. In affect making two air systems in one case. Ducting will work well to get fresh air from say the side of the case, and suck it throught the black ice, out the top of the case.

In ur setup the hot ddr and hot gf3 and hot n/b and hot pump wil be supplying the air for the rad.

Get a panaflo h1a and throttle it to the speed u need.

imho

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09-19-2001, 08:57 PM	#1
skrill Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: LA, CA Posts: 18	Alright, I am going Water Cooled -- Any thoughts on my planned system?? I have decided that even my quiet MC462 solution is too loud -- I am sure that most people would be fine with it (its probably not noticably louder than an OEM computer) little less than 40db -- but I want silence and performance. Soooo...... I am going to be building a nearly silent water cooling setup that will be completely housed within my Directron case (basically a jet-black 1040b). Here is my plan. I will run an Eheim 1048 Pump www.dangerden.com/test/mall/pumps.asp -- the pump will be mounted on the floor of the case (right behind the 80mm fan mount). The pump will be bolted to the case with some B-Quiet and Sonex foam between it and the case itself. Should be inaudible. A hole will be cut in the floor of the case to allow for the pumps power cord. Pump water to a Black Ice Radiator -- www.data-detective.com/overclock/black_ice.htm -- fastened to a 120mm x 25mm JMC fan (61cfm@27db) -- www.caseetc.com/cgi-bin/caseetc/F-378.html -- . The fan will be attached to the inside top of the case -- with the Black Ice underneath it. The Fan will pull the air through the rad and out the blow-hole I will cut in top of the case. The radiator sould fit fine, although I may need to move my CDRW and DVD drives down to the lowest two 5 1/4 slots (currently they are in the middle two). Water block will be a Danger Den Maze 2 -- www.dangerden.com/test/images/MAZE2/MAZE2X_Large.gif The whole case will be insulated with B-Quiet Brown Bread -- www.b-quiet.com/brownbread.html -- and Sonex Foam -- www.2cooltek.safeshopper.com/44/238.htm?370 -- . Everything will be self-contained within the case -- and its a totally closed system. According to the people I have talked to -- it should run very cool and very quiet, while still allowing outstanding overclocks. A nice closed system. I will continue to run 4 Silencer 80mm case fans -- 20db's (I may take these out if they prove unnecessary or loud at all). And a Panaflo 92mm L1A over on a hole over the AGP slot. The only other fans will be the North Bridge chipset fan, a Blue Orb on my GF3, and the Antec PSU fan. I don't believe any of these put out serious DB's. Any thoughts on this setup? Any ways to make it better more quiet? I would like to hear some constuctive criticism. BTW, my Quiet Swiftech HSF Solution -- www.forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=37&threadid=562832 -- swiftech will be on the market soon. [ 09-19-2001: Message edited by: Skrill ] [ 09-19-2001: Message edited by: Skrill ] [ 09-19-2001: Message edited by: Skrill ] __________________ My rig -- The Monolith http://www.anandtech.com/myanandtech.html?member=67800

09-20-2001, 05:14 PM	#3
Kevin Slacking more than your weird uncle Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: San Diego, CA (UCSD) / Los Angeles, CA (home) Posts: 1,605	Well what CPU are you cooling? you forgot to mention it. But I do think that is a very nice system. You don't really need to insulate the pump. Eheims are super quiet. Their main problems are case rattling. So if you do what you said you were gonna do, you should be fine w/ pump noise. Like it was said, you don't need all those case fans. They won't do much for your cooling. Bottom line is that most of your heat is being removed from the H2O block... to give a bit more advice on how the fans should be set up, can you tell me how the JMC fan is set up w/ the Black Ice radiator? Is it exhaust/intake? Where in the case? -Kevin __________________ I used to throw hot coffee all over the ass of the horse there, then whip him while he was kickin' at me. Those f***in things are crazy.

09-20-2001, 05:55 PM	#4
skrill Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: LA, CA Posts: 18	In my sig is a link to a detail of my Rig. Basically I have a 1.4ghz Athlon. I am currently clocked up to 1.63ghz@2.09 Vcore. I definately want to keep fresh air coming into the case because (a) the GF3 needs it -- O/C'ed to 240/560, (b) the DDR memory gets pretty hot (Crucial PC2100 encased in ThermalTake heat spreaders @ 2.9 Vram), and (c) the Black Ice will need the air to pull through. I will have the BlackIce connected to the JMC fan, which in turn is connected to the blow-hole at the top of the case. The JMC will suck air from inside the case, through the Rad, and out the Blow-hole. Like this Flow ===> Black Ice ===> JMC Fan ===> Blow Hole out the case. Does that help explain things. __________________ My rig -- The Monolith http://www.anandtech.com/myanandtech.html?member=67800

09-20-2001, 09:57 PM	#5
BrianW Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Desert City in California Posts: 631	imho It is optimal to seperate the airflow for the rad and for the rest of ur case. In affect making two air systems in one case. Ducting will work well to get fresh air from say the side of the case, and suck it throught the black ice, out the top of the case. In ur setup the hot ddr and hot gf3 and hot n/b and hot pump wil be supplying the air for the rad. Get a panaflo h1a and throttle it to the speed u need. imho [ 09-20-2001: Message edited by: Badly_Wired ] __________________ Water Cooled Inwin Q500 (Dual Rads: Rad1 = DTEK Pro Core \| Rad2 = Blick Ice Estreme, Hydor L30, Dangerden Maze2, Bay Res Typhoon Reservoir, 1/2 " DD Tygon Thick Wall Hose). Flow: Res, Pump, CPU watervlock, Y into both rads, both rads into res independently. Athlon XP 1800+ (@ 1731 - 150mhz fsb.), on a Asus A7N266-c, and a Radeon 9000 *waiting for RMA'd Saphire 9800 ultra from Newegg)

09-20-2001, 12:12 AM	#2
redleader Thermophile Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The deserts of Tucson, Az Posts: 1,264	Few things, get that pump isolated. Thats where most of your noise will come from if it done wrong. Good call with the eheim, they are silent if you keep them from rattling the case. Ditch the Silencers. They just plain suck. They flow almost no air at the speed they quote the dBA from and have to throttle up much louder just to match an L1A. Besides 4 is overkill unless you got lots of hot cards and drives. The Orb is pretty loud as well. The box quotes 26dB or something along those lines, but its at least several times louder then rated. Besides its a poor cooler, thanks to its 3 piece base many stock fans are with a few defrees of it. Foams usally not worth the effot. Its much better to go after the source, which you are doing nicely. Spend the time to throttle some of your excess CFMs with rheostats or to get a GPU/chipset block and ditch those higher pitched fans altogether. Sounds like a kickass system. Good luck.

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