my dye-lite is disapearing!!!

r00t · 04-24-2003, 05:10 PM

Ok, someone please tell me what's going on... Yesterday I flushed out my cooling system and refilled it. I used distilled water and a little water wetter. I'm using Tygon tubing. Anyway, after I filled it I put one drop of my blue spectroline dyelite. It glowed a nice shade of blue right away, but I went and checked it today and it looked very dim compared to my UV IDE cables. I couldn't figure out what was going on. I put a second drop in and it made it glow a nice blue again. But I'm afraid to check it tomorrow and see it faded again. Also, I noticed that when I took off the cap to my Innovatek Tank-O-Matic plugon it seem like there was some condensation on the lid and it almost seemed to be pure dyelite. I know this because when not mixed with water it almost looks a green color, this is the color it looked on the lid. Is it possible that the dyelite is some how evaporating and then collecting on the top of my reservoir? I've never heard of anything like this before.

bigben2k · 04-24-2003, 05:14 PM

Many people have reported this, but I have yet to see a good explanation.

I suspect that either the tubing is absorbing the dye, which seems unlikely, or the WW is either absorbing it, or neutralizing it. Since WW contains glycol, that would be my primary suspect, but I'm no chemist.:shrug:

Alchemy · 04-24-2003, 05:29 PM

The dye will fluoresce whether it is in solution or adsorbed onto the tubing.

My guess is that the dye is being broken down by some other additive, though it's impossible to give even an educated guess with only a single anecdote to go on.

Alchemy

bigben2k · 04-24-2003, 05:43 PM

Yup.

All we know for sure is that WW contains (at least) the following:

Dilsopropyl alcohol ether: 1-40%
Tri isopropyl alcohol diether: 1-40%
Sodium molybdate: 2-10%
Tolyltriazole: 1-3%
Polysiloxane polymer: n/a
(there are CAS#'s for those)

thread here

You ought to call on the manufacturer (or reseller) and ask.

r00t · 04-24-2003, 06:35 PM

so my only real option would be what... to not use water wetter? Is there anything I can use instead that won't mess up the dyelite, or will I have to run straight water?

winewood · 04-24-2003, 07:03 PM

Blue dye will fade much faster than any other dye color out there. I bought a sample of all colors availiable, and they say blue will not last long at all compared to say... yellow.

r00t · 04-24-2003, 08:50 PM

not lasting long is one thing, but fading after a day is insane.

Cova · 04-25-2003, 10:12 AM

My water-wetter "dissapeared" in my system when I first put it together (coolant changed from pink back to clear). I just added more pure water-wetter to the coolant again till it was the original shade of pink again, and it never went clear again after that, though it has started to turn slightly milky after a year now.

I think it has to do with being a slightly different density than the water, it's probably filling in tiny imperfections inside the pump/block/rad and stuff. Or if it really is evaporating in your case - can't you just shake your res a bit to re-mix it back in and see if that does the trick? If it does help, then all you have to do is top the res right up so there is no air space in it.

r00t · 04-25-2003, 10:52 AM

other then slightly less heat transfer abilities, what are the downsides of using just straight distilled water? I know water wetter is supposed to stop corrosion, but if I flush my system out every few months will I be okay?

bigben2k · 04-25-2003, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by r00t
other then slightly less heat transfer abilities, what are the downsides of using just straight distilled water? I know water wetter is supposed to stop corrosion, but if I flush my system out every few months will I be okay?

Why would you be ok?

Brian's article here

r00t · 04-25-2003, 11:40 AM

Ok, let me put it this way... What UV dye WON'T break up when added to a distilled water/water wetter solution?

bigben2k · 04-25-2003, 11:50 AM

Wouldn't we all like to know!

Alchemy · 04-25-2003, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigben2k
Why would you be ok?

Brian's article here

You know, the scientific inaccuracies in that article aren't very important to the main point(s), but they still bug the hell out of me.

Alchemy

bigben2k · 04-25-2003, 01:43 PM

I know, but that's the best we got, for now!

Sproket · 04-27-2003, 07:50 PM

Well I can say that I had this happen 2 weeks ago to me. Exactly the same thing but worse.

For one the Dye I got from Directron.com SUX's!

I bought some green from Dtekcustoms and let me tell you what a difference!!

First off I was using Tygon and it has some way of absorbing impurities. My tubing turned light brown then light red, then totally Pink! I was only using green dye and distilled water. But the dye I had, i had to use 1/4 of the bottle to make it glow.

Now Im using Clearflex and dtek dye and only had to add 3/4 of a 1cc, I used a straw and it was about 3/4 of an inch of dye in straw. Wow that stuff is strong and glow very good w/ clearflex 60.

I think Clearflex is better than Tygon!

I took apart the Whitewater block and put it in Vinger for a day and also the Rad. Had stuff all cake in there. Maybe something was left in the Rad from the beginnning! I rinsed the Rad the first time before using. But Vinger pulled all types of stuff out.

It has been 2 days now since new setup and everything is much better than before. Let see how it goes. If it makes it a week then I will know.

The funny thing is when my Tygon turn all those colors then finally Pink, I mean a dark pink w/ build up the T connector had Nothing in it, and the Y connector was clean also. Hmmmmmmm.

Sproket · 04-27-2003, 07:51 PM

Im also using 50% mixtures of Purple Ice with Dtek's green Dye.

bigben2k · 04-28-2003, 08:33 AM

Good info. Keep us posted!

Sproket · 04-29-2003, 10:39 AM

Everything is going well with new setup. Dtek dye and clearflex with 50% Mixture of Purple Ice is the best so far.
3 days now and everything is just the same as the day I added the UV Dye.

I DONT LIKE TYGON AT ALL.

Thanks,
www.dtekcustoms.com

winewood · 04-29-2003, 11:55 AM

If you don't have ww in your system, the pink is bacteria. It may be good to put some growth inhibitor in your system. Sounds like you are exposing it to light. The clear tubing will allow growth if your not careful.
Im suprised at how much dye you guys put in your system. Mine only required a matter of drops!

Sproket · 04-30-2003, 10:38 AM

Day 4 and all is well with Dtek dye, clearflex and purple ice.

04-24-2003, 05:10 PM	#1
r00t Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 16	my dye-lite is disapearing!!! Ok, someone please tell me what's going on... Yesterday I flushed out my cooling system and refilled it. I used distilled water and a little water wetter. I'm using Tygon tubing. Anyway, after I filled it I put one drop of my blue spectroline dyelite. It glowed a nice shade of blue right away, but I went and checked it today and it looked very dim compared to my UV IDE cables. I couldn't figure out what was going on. I put a second drop in and it made it glow a nice blue again. But I'm afraid to check it tomorrow and see it faded again. Also, I noticed that when I took off the cap to my Innovatek Tank-O-Matic plugon it seem like there was some condensation on the lid and it almost seemed to be pure dyelite. I know this because when not mixed with water it almost looks a green color, this is the color it looked on the lid. Is it possible that the dyelite is some how evaporating and then collecting on the top of my reservoir? I've never heard of anything like this before.

04-24-2003, 05:14 PM	#2
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Many people have reported this, but I have yet to see a good explanation. I suspect that either the tubing is absorbing the dye, which seems unlikely, or the WW is either absorbing it, or neutralizing it. Since WW contains glycol, that would be my primary suspect, but I'm no chemist.:shrug: __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

04-24-2003, 05:43 PM	#4
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Yup. All we know for sure is that WW contains (at least) the following: Dilsopropyl alcohol ether: 1-40% Tri isopropyl alcohol diether: 1-40% Sodium molybdate: 2-10% Tolyltriazole: 1-3% Polysiloxane polymer: n/a (there are CAS#'s for those) thread here You ought to call on the manufacturer (or reseller) and ask. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

04-24-2003, 07:03 PM	#6
winewood Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: in my chair Posts: 574	Blue dye will fade much faster than any other dye color out there. I bought a sample of all colors availiable, and they say blue will not last long at all compared to say... yellow. __________________ -winewood-

04-25-2003, 11:50 AM	#12
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Wouldn't we all like to know! __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

04-24-2003, 05:29 PM	#3
Alchemy Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Boston Posts: 238	The dye will fluoresce whether it is in solution or adsorbed onto the tubing. My guess is that the dye is being broken down by some other additive, though it's impossible to give even an educated guess with only a single anecdote to go on. Alchemy

04-24-2003, 06:35 PM	#5
r00t Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 16	so my only real option would be what... to not use water wetter? Is there anything I can use instead that won't mess up the dyelite, or will I have to run straight water?

04-24-2003, 08:50 PM	#7
r00t Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 16	not lasting long is one thing, but fading after a day is insane.

04-25-2003, 10:12 AM	#8
Cova Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 247	My water-wetter "dissapeared" in my system when I first put it together (coolant changed from pink back to clear). I just added more pure water-wetter to the coolant again till it was the original shade of pink again, and it never went clear again after that, though it has started to turn slightly milky after a year now. I think it has to do with being a slightly different density than the water, it's probably filling in tiny imperfections inside the pump/block/rad and stuff. Or if it really is evaporating in your case - can't you just shake your res a bit to re-mix it back in and see if that does the trick? If it does help, then all you have to do is top the res right up so there is no air space in it.

04-25-2003, 10:52 AM	#9
r00t Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 16	other then slightly less heat transfer abilities, what are the downsides of using just straight distilled water? I know water wetter is supposed to stop corrosion, but if I flush my system out every few months will I be okay?

04-25-2003, 11:40 AM	#11
r00t Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 16	Ok, let me put it this way... What UV dye WON'T break up when added to a distilled water/water wetter solution?

04-25-2003, 01:43 PM	#14
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	I know, but that's the best we got, for now! __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

04-27-2003, 07:50 PM	#15
Sproket Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 193	Well I can say that I had this happen 2 weeks ago to me. Exactly the same thing but worse. For one the Dye I got from Directron.com SUX's! I bought some green from Dtekcustoms and let me tell you what a difference!! First off I was using Tygon and it has some way of absorbing impurities. My tubing turned light brown then light red, then totally Pink! I was only using green dye and distilled water. But the dye I had, i had to use 1/4 of the bottle to make it glow. Now Im using Clearflex and dtek dye and only had to add 3/4 of a 1cc, I used a straw and it was about 3/4 of an inch of dye in straw. Wow that stuff is strong and glow very good w/ clearflex 60. I think Clearflex is better than Tygon! I took apart the Whitewater block and put it in Vinger for a day and also the Rad. Had stuff all cake in there. Maybe something was left in the Rad from the beginnning! I rinsed the Rad the first time before using. But Vinger pulled all types of stuff out. It has been 2 days now since new setup and everything is much better than before. Let see how it goes. If it makes it a week then I will know. The funny thing is when my Tygon turn all those colors then finally Pink, I mean a dark pink w/ build up the T connector had Nothing in it, and the Y connector was clean also. Hmmmmmmm. __________________ NF7-S Bios D1.8 218FSB X 11.5 1700+ DLT3C 0310 @ 2511Mhz TwinMos 2x256 PC3200 BH-5 Albatron TI4800se 310/643 3dmark 15,110 3DMark2001SE Link

04-27-2003, 07:51 PM	#16
Sproket Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 193	Im also using 50% mixtures of Purple Ice with Dtek's green Dye. __________________ NF7-S Bios D1.8 218FSB X 11.5 1700+ DLT3C 0310 @ 2511Mhz TwinMos 2x256 PC3200 BH-5 Albatron TI4800se 310/643 3dmark 15,110 3DMark2001SE Link

04-28-2003, 08:33 AM	#17
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Good info. Keep us posted! __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

04-29-2003, 10:39 AM	#18
Sproket Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 193	Everything is going well with new setup. Dtek dye and clearflex with 50% Mixture of Purple Ice is the best so far. 3 days now and everything is just the same as the day I added the UV Dye. I DONT LIKE TYGON AT ALL. Thanks, www.dtekcustoms.com __________________ NF7-S Bios D1.8 218FSB X 11.5 1700+ DLT3C 0310 @ 2511Mhz TwinMos 2x256 PC3200 BH-5 Albatron TI4800se 310/643 3dmark 15,110 3DMark2001SE Link

04-29-2003, 11:55 AM	#19
winewood Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: in my chair Posts: 574	If you don't have ww in your system, the pink is bacteria. It may be good to put some growth inhibitor in your system. Sounds like you are exposing it to light. The clear tubing will allow growth if your not careful. Im suprised at how much dye you guys put in your system. Mine only required a matter of drops! __________________ -winewood-

04-30-2003, 10:38 AM	#20
Sproket Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 193	Day 4 and all is well with Dtek dye, clearflex and purple ice. __________________ NF7-S Bios D1.8 218FSB X 11.5 1700+ DLT3C 0310 @ 2511Mhz TwinMos 2x256 PC3200 BH-5 Albatron TI4800se 310/643 3dmark 15,110 3DMark2001SE Link

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