Best of the best...cream of the crop

t00lb0x · 05-12-2003, 12:01 AM

What is the best pump there is (messure flow with voltage and noise) and what is the best radiator?

t00lb0x · 05-12-2003, 06:08 PM

no replies

bigben2k · 05-12-2003, 06:17 PM

The question is incomplete, so the answer is: it depends.

Try again.

t00lb0x · 05-12-2003, 06:18 PM

ok, what is the best pump/radiator on the market (hope that helps)

bigben2k · 05-12-2003, 06:19 PM

Not really, not even a bit!

Keep trying.

t00lb0x · 05-12-2003, 06:23 PM

What is the best pump that a person can buy in a water cooling it, silent yet effective (I don't know how to rephrase this, it doesn't seem that difficult to understand)

bigben2k · 05-12-2003, 06:26 PM

Better, but not quite there.

Answer: The biggest Eheim you can afford/fit.

Of course if you want to have some fun, you'd look into an Iwaki.

t00lb0x · 05-12-2003, 06:27 PM

What is so fun about the IWAKI?

bigben2k · 05-12-2003, 06:28 PM

You'll get more flow with them than you thought was possible. Watch out for leaks!

wywywywy · 05-12-2003, 06:29 PM

Things to include in order to form a complete question in this scenario:

1. specific requirements
a. size
b. noise level

2. price range

3. application

4. experience with watercooling

5. politeness and appreciation

6. research effort shown

I don't know how to rephrase this, it doesn't seem that difficult to understand. Hope that helps.

JSimmons · 05-12-2003, 06:50 PM

I guess what is needed is a chart that shows a bunch of different pumps in terms of claimed flow rates, power consumption, noise, heat, price, and observed reliability.

Is there a FAQ on this sight? Persistent questions seem to be:

1) What''s the best pump?

2) What's the best radiator?

3) Why do I need Tygon tubing?

4) What should I add to the water?

5) What is the meaning of liquid soap?

bigben2k · 05-12-2003, 07:07 PM

I think you missed #6 above... but I like your watercooling page!

The bottom line is that there are many factors in selecting different components. If you know all the factors, and you have a value/answer for most of them, while the rest leave you pondering about what to choose, then we'll be happy to help.

Example: a pump.

In my case, the price was the limit: no more than $50. Then, I really didn't care about flow rate, as long as it was decent. The primary selection factor, after price, was the pressure it can deliver.

So I got a Little Giant 2-MDQ-SC for $40. Max flow~550 gph, and it deadheads at 14.6 feet. It has NPT fittings, which fit nicely any PVC fittings popularly available. No metal here.

Of course I neglected the noise and ventilation that this thing needs, since it draws a max of 180 Watts, but the motor coils are completely isolated from the water, as this pump is a true magnet driven unit.

So now I have to setup a special vent just for it. The pump is also more than 10 inches long, which is not an easy fit.

Is this pump good? You tell me. Btw, it can push 3.5 gpm (aka 210 gph) through a heatercore

t00lb0x · 05-12-2003, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wywywywy
Things to include in order to form a complete question in this scenario:

1. specific requirements
a. size
b. noise level

2. price range

3. application

4. experience with watercooling

5. politeness and appreciation

6. research effort shown

I don't know how to rephrase this, it doesn't seem that difficult to understand. Hope that helps.

this is research smart-ass (going to a forum and asking questions at least) and the politness and appreciation "I don't know how to rephrase this, it doesn't seem that difficult to understand" wow, dude that wasn't meant to be offensive maybe your just pissed off
bigben2k: thanks for the help

redleader · 05-12-2003, 08:03 PM

I typed out a sarcastic answer before anyone else but deleted it. You really need to be specific. There is no best, someone will always find something larger/better unless you give criteria.

I'm going to guess that you have a supertower and want a quiet though powerful system. You also have no budget concerns. If this is wrong, well its your fault for not mentioning it.

In that case, get a large heatercore from Autozone, an Eheim 1250 and a Whitewater block.

And no this isn't research, this is asking other people to do research for you. Theres a key difference, specifically that you expect other people to do the work for you.

Cathar · 05-12-2003, 08:03 PM

Hmmm, there was no one real answer to the question.

The Eheim 1250 is about as good as it gets from the Eheim range. The larger Eheim pumps dump too much heat into the water without increasing pressure/flow enough to offset. Eheims are submersible, reliable and quiet. The Ehim 1048's do offer very good performance for small closed loop systems though.

The Danner Mag 3 is perhaps the best balanced pump of their range. It does have some realibility issues (impeller housing cracking from some reports), but it's cheap and possible a better "balance" than the Eheim 1250.

The Iwaki MD-15R for 60Hz (USA) is possibly about the best tradeoff for flow/pressure/pump heat. For 50Hz countries the Iwaki MD-20R is good for low restriction setups, and the MD-20RZ is good for moderate to high restriction setups. Iwaki pumps aren't submersible though.

The main problem here is selecting a pump for your needs, and over the range of pumps listed above we're probably talking less than a 1C difference in final temperatures as a result.

If you wanted to simply choose the "best one-size-fits-all tradeoff", and you lived in the a 60Hz electricity country, and wanted quality, then the MD-15R would be my choice, but it is expensive. The Eheim 1250 would be next if you wanted quality over cost, and the Danner Mag 3 at the bargain basement near performance equivalent (but greatly reduced quality) of the Iwaki MD-15R.

For radiators, the biggest radiator you can get is pretty much what you want. Of course some radiators are more efficient than others, but it all depends on your space requirements. If the question was "What's the best radiators that fits is X amount of space" then people may have a chance of answering it for you.

t00lb0x · 05-12-2003, 08:07 PM

Thanks, i've heard nothing but good from Eheim
and research = "1. Scholarly or scientific investigation or inquiry"
making this research

Blackeagle · 05-12-2003, 09:29 PM

You don't seem to understand what everyone is trying so hard to tell you.

It's very hard to give good advice without enough information on the use you intend. But with that again said.

I'll go with the idea that you have:

a) very large case
b) are setting up the rad/pump outside the case.

A large heater core would be my suggestion for the rad. A single pass rad from a 69-72 chevy pick-up with air would make a fine choice. This rad is pretty good sized though, the cooling area alone is 9.25-9.5" X 6-6 3/8" X 2" The reason for the variation in sizeing is that depending on where you order it it could be differants sizes by small amounts. I have one of these and mine is 9. 1/4 X 6 3/8" X 2". Set up with dual 120mm fans on both sides in push/pull this can handle a lot of load.

Cathar gave you really good advice on the pump choices. I'd go Iwaki if you can afford it.

BE

t00lb0x · 05-12-2003, 09:30 PM

Thanks, I was gonna just take the Radiator outta an old car of my friends heh just for fun anyways

bigben2k · 05-12-2003, 09:42 PM

That's what I was gonna suggest

t00lb0x · 05-12-2003, 09:58 PM

Does it work well?

murray13 · 05-12-2003, 10:46 PM

Look at this !!!

05-12-2003, 12:01 AM	#1
t00lb0x Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: In a box Posts: 221	Best of the best...cream of the crop What is the best pump there is (messure flow with voltage and noise) and what is the best radiator? __________________ "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit"

05-12-2003, 06:08 PM	#2
t00lb0x Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: In a box Posts: 221	no replies __________________ "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit"

05-12-2003, 06:17 PM	#3
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	The question is incomplete, so the answer is: it depends. Try again. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

05-12-2003, 06:18 PM	#4
t00lb0x Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: In a box Posts: 221	ok, what is the best pump/radiator on the market (hope that helps) __________________ "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit"

05-12-2003, 06:19 PM	#5
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Not really, not even a bit! Keep trying. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

05-12-2003, 06:23 PM	#6
t00lb0x Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: In a box Posts: 221	What is the best pump that a person can buy in a water cooling it, silent yet effective (I don't know how to rephrase this, it doesn't seem that difficult to understand) __________________ "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit"

05-12-2003, 06:26 PM	#7
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Better, but not quite there. Answer: The biggest Eheim you can afford/fit. Of course if you want to have some fun, you'd look into an Iwaki. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

05-12-2003, 06:27 PM	#8
t00lb0x Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: In a box Posts: 221	What is so fun about the IWAKI? __________________ "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit"

05-12-2003, 06:28 PM	#9
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	You'll get more flow with them than you thought was possible. Watch out for leaks! __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

05-12-2003, 06:29 PM	#10
wywywywy Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2003 Location: Cardiff, UK Posts: 18	Things to include in order to form a complete question in this scenario: 1. specific requirements a. size b. noise level 2. price range 3. application 4. experience with watercooling 5. politeness and appreciation 6. research effort shown I don't know how to rephrase this, it doesn't seem that difficult to understand. Hope that helps.

05-12-2003, 06:50 PM	#11
JSimmons Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 4-sided room with an exit going east, and an exit going south Posts: 392	I guess what is needed is a chart that shows a bunch of different pumps in terms of claimed flow rates, power consumption, noise, heat, price, and observed reliability. Is there a FAQ on this sight? Persistent questions seem to be: 1) What''s the best pump? 2) What's the best radiator? 3) Why do I need Tygon tubing? 4) What should I add to the water? 5) What is the meaning of liquid soap? __________________ My Watercooling Stuff

05-12-2003, 07:07 PM	#12
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	I think you missed #6 above... but I like your watercooling page! The bottom line is that there are many factors in selecting different components. If you know all the factors, and you have a value/answer for most of them, while the rest leave you pondering about what to choose, then we'll be happy to help. Example: a pump. In my case, the price was the limit: no more than $50. Then, I really didn't care about flow rate, as long as it was decent. The primary selection factor, after price, was the pressure it can deliver. So I got a Little Giant 2-MDQ-SC for $40. Max flow~550 gph, and it deadheads at 14.6 feet. It has NPT fittings, which fit nicely any PVC fittings popularly available. No metal here. Of course I neglected the noise and ventilation that this thing needs, since it draws a max of 180 Watts, but the motor coils are completely isolated from the water, as this pump is a true magnet driven unit. So now I have to setup a special vent just for it. The pump is also more than 10 inches long, which is not an easy fit. Is this pump good? You tell me. Btw, it can push 3.5 gpm (aka 210 gph) through a heatercore __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

05-12-2003, 08:03 PM	#14
redleader Thermophile Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The deserts of Tucson, Az Posts: 1,264	I typed out a sarcastic answer before anyone else but deleted it. You really need to be specific. There is no best, someone will always find something larger/better unless you give criteria. I'm going to guess that you have a supertower and want a quiet though powerful system. You also have no budget concerns. If this is wrong, well its your fault for not mentioning it. In that case, get a large heatercore from Autozone, an Eheim 1250 and a Whitewater block. And no this isn't research, this is asking other people to do research for you. Theres a key difference, specifically that you expect other people to do the work for you.

05-12-2003, 08:03 PM	#15
Cathar Thermophile Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,538	Hmmm, there was no one real answer to the question. The Eheim 1250 is about as good as it gets from the Eheim range. The larger Eheim pumps dump too much heat into the water without increasing pressure/flow enough to offset. Eheims are submersible, reliable and quiet. The Ehim 1048's do offer very good performance for small closed loop systems though. The Danner Mag 3 is perhaps the best balanced pump of their range. It does have some realibility issues (impeller housing cracking from some reports), but it's cheap and possible a better "balance" than the Eheim 1250. The Iwaki MD-15R for 60Hz (USA) is possibly about the best tradeoff for flow/pressure/pump heat. For 50Hz countries the Iwaki MD-20R is good for low restriction setups, and the MD-20RZ is good for moderate to high restriction setups. Iwaki pumps aren't submersible though. The main problem here is selecting a pump for your needs, and over the range of pumps listed above we're probably talking less than a 1C difference in final temperatures as a result. If you wanted to simply choose the "best one-size-fits-all tradeoff", and you lived in the a 60Hz electricity country, and wanted quality, then the MD-15R would be my choice, but it is expensive. The Eheim 1250 would be next if you wanted quality over cost, and the Danner Mag 3 at the bargain basement near performance equivalent (but greatly reduced quality) of the Iwaki MD-15R. For radiators, the biggest radiator you can get is pretty much what you want. Of course some radiators are more efficient than others, but it all depends on your space requirements. If the question was "What's the best radiators that fits is X amount of space" then people may have a chance of answering it for you.

05-12-2003, 08:07 PM	#16
t00lb0x Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: In a box Posts: 221	Thanks, i've heard nothing but good from Eheim and research = "1. Scholarly or scientific investigation or inquiry" making this research __________________ "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit"

05-12-2003, 09:29 PM	#17
Blackeagle Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: U.S.A = Michigan Posts: 1,243	You don't seem to understand what everyone is trying so hard to tell you. It's very hard to give good advice without enough information on the use you intend. But with that again said. I'll go with the idea that you have: a) very large case b) are setting up the rad/pump outside the case. A large heater core would be my suggestion for the rad. A single pass rad from a 69-72 chevy pick-up with air would make a fine choice. This rad is pretty good sized though, the cooling area alone is 9.25-9.5" X 6-6 3/8" X 2" The reason for the variation in sizeing is that depending on where you order it it could be differants sizes by small amounts. I have one of these and mine is 9. 1/4 X 6 3/8" X 2". Set up with dual 120mm fans on both sides in push/pull this can handle a lot of load. Cathar gave you really good advice on the pump choices. I'd go Iwaki if you can afford it. BE

05-12-2003, 09:30 PM	#18
t00lb0x Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: In a box Posts: 221	Thanks, I was gonna just take the Radiator outta an old car of my friends heh just for fun anyways __________________ "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit"

05-12-2003, 09:42 PM	#19
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	That's what I was gonna suggest __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

05-12-2003, 09:58 PM	#20
t00lb0x Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: In a box Posts: 221	Does it work well? __________________ "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit"

05-12-2003, 10:46 PM	#21
murray13 Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Omaha, NE USA Posts: 216	Look at this !!!

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