Danger Den Maze 2

Jtw0128 · 02-28-2001, 10:20 PM

Ok, I'm thinking of getting a Maze2 to replace this crappy block that Leufken sent me, so I was wondering if anyone has tried both the maze and maze 2 and has seen a difference in permformance? I also think I read that it can accomodate 2 peltiers is this true? Thanks for the help again.

Kevin · 03-01-2001, 12:28 AM

It should easily outperform the first one. There is much more surface area for water to travel through. I've talked to Dennis about it a lot, and he sent me pics of it a couple weeks ago. It looks to be a winner. The best part about it is the fact that it can hold 2 peltiers... Two 70w pelts should do the trick for those bastard durons!

UnaClocker · 03-01-2001, 12:49 AM

Two 70's? Bah! Get two 120's or whatever the biggest 40mm pelts are..

And that block definately looks kick ass.. Should give chip's discontinued silver blocks a run for their money..

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tranced · 03-01-2001, 02:27 PM

I have ordered a Danger Den MAZE-2 waterblock, and it has come to me, as well as a 172watt peltier. I'm still waiting for Danger Den to make that special coldplate to fit one more 172watt pelt under there! When it comes out, I'm going to buy one more 172watt pelt, and the coldplate!

Maybe I could do a "guest" review on the block .. and a "guest" article on using it in a liquid cooled PC enviroment?

If this sounds like too much, don't mind me

-Solomon Oh

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Joe · 03-01-2001, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tranced:
I have ordered a Danger Den MAZE-2 waterblock, and it has come to me, as well as a 172watt peltier. I'm still waiting for Danger Den to make that special coldplate to fit one more 172watt pelt under there! When it comes out, I'm going to buy one more 172watt pelt, and the coldplate!

Maybe I could do a "guest" review on the block .. and a "guest" article on using it in a liquid cooled PC enviroment?

If this sounds like too much, don't mind me

-Solomon Oh

A guest review would be cool!

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JLeufkens · 05-28-2001, 03:11 PM

Why is the block crappy? Tweaktown.com did a block round up and ours was only 1.7 deg. above the maze 2 and determined MOST LIKELY TO NOT LEAK and most polished block (which means it does NOT look like crap)

You go ahead and spend another $40 to get a block that is harder to install, more likely to leak and only 1.7 deg. F cooler

LiquidCool · 05-28-2001, 06:57 PM

hehehe OOGA BOOGA!

mkosem · 05-28-2001, 09:10 PM

My friend is happy with his leufken aluminum block. It was improved greately by a copper cold plate between the cpu and the block. His temps are on par with his copper "JaggedEdge" block.

--MAtt

Butcher · 05-28-2001, 10:47 PM

The maze-2 can fit 2 172W pelts already can't it... I'm sure it said 2 40mm pelts would fit. That is assuming you can power 2 172W pelts

resago · 05-29-2001, 02:20 PM

polished smolished

mkosem · 05-29-2001, 09:43 PM

hehe, I bet if you could power it, you could manage to stack the 172 watters atop a pair of 122 watters. That would be insane. Unless there is a limit to the peltier effect the temps would be less than -40 deg C with an athlon@1.6gig. That would be insane! Try cooling the water from that! But I must warn you. There is a guy in the [H]ardOCP forms with dual 172's and he's having problems chilling the water back down. The water temp is almost at the boiling point and his temps are no better than having nothing at all. He has one of those nice bong evaporators TOO!

--MAtt

Butcher · 05-30-2001, 08:31 AM

Actually the 2x122W peltiers plus an Athlon would overpower the 2x172Ws leading to temperature rise. 2x122W is 244W moved, but actual hot side dissipation is more, then you have to add on the athlon, which is at least 100W. Conservatively you're looking at 350W into the 172's, not good considering they're only rated to 344W.

mkosem · 05-30-2001, 01:37 PM

I am aware of that, however the 172's will just be a little less efficient. They will still be effective in droping the temp and moving heat faster.

--MAtt

Butcher · 05-30-2001, 02:32 PM

A common myth, but not actually true. If you exceed rating on a peltier you get no benefit. In fact you get a negative benefit.
The calc for delaT of a peltier is
DeltaT = (1 - load/Pmax)*Qmax
where Pmax is max power and Q max is max delta T.
so for 350W onto 344W you get (assume Qmax is 70)...
deltaT = (1 - 350/344)*70 = -4C
So the cold side is -4C cooler than the host side, ie. 4C hotter! oops

02-28-2001, 10:20 PM	#1
Jtw0128 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scotch Plains Posts: 15	Danger Den Maze 2 Ok, I'm thinking of getting a Maze2 to replace this crappy block that Leufken sent me, so I was wondering if anyone has tried both the maze and maze 2 and has seen a difference in permformance? I also think I read that it can accomodate 2 peltiers is this true? Thanks for the help again.

05-28-2001, 10:47 PM	#9
Butcher Thermophile Join Date: May 2001 Location: UK Posts: 1,064	The maze-2 can fit 2 172W pelts already can't it... I'm sure it said 2 40mm pelts would fit. That is assuming you can power 2 172W pelts __________________ Once upon a time, in a land far far away...

05-30-2001, 08:31 AM	#12
Butcher Thermophile Join Date: May 2001 Location: UK Posts: 1,064	Actually the 2x122W peltiers plus an Athlon would overpower the 2x172Ws leading to temperature rise. 2x122W is 244W moved, but actual hot side dissipation is more, then you have to add on the athlon, which is at least 100W. Conservatively you're looking at 350W into the 172's, not good considering they're only rated to 344W. __________________ Once upon a time, in a land far far away...

05-30-2001, 02:32 PM	#14
Butcher Thermophile Join Date: May 2001 Location: UK Posts: 1,064	A common myth, but not actually true. If you exceed rating on a peltier you get no benefit. In fact you get a negative benefit. The calc for delaT of a peltier is DeltaT = (1 - load/Pmax)Qmax where Pmax is max power and Q max is max delta T. so for 350W onto 344W you get (assume Qmax is 70)... deltaT = (1 - 350/344)70 = -4C So the cold side is -4C cooler than the host side, ie. 4C hotter! oops __________________ Once upon a time, in a land far far away...

03-01-2001, 12:28 AM	#2
Kevin Slacking more than your weird uncle Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: San Diego, CA (UCSD) / Los Angeles, CA (home) Posts: 1,605	It should easily outperform the first one. There is much more surface area for water to travel through. I've talked to Dennis about it a lot, and he sent me pics of it a couple weeks ago. It looks to be a winner. The best part about it is the fact that it can hold 2 peltiers... Two 70w pelts should do the trick for those bastard durons!

03-01-2001, 12:49 AM	#3
UnaClocker Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 514	Two 70's? Bah! Get two 120's or whatever the biggest 40mm pelts are.. And that block definately looks kick ass.. Should give chip's discontinued silver blocks a run for their money.. ------------------ The UnaClocker Overclock till it goes BOOM! Watercooler extraordinaire!

03-01-2001, 02:27 PM	#4
tranced Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Whitestone, NY, USA Posts: 28	I have ordered a Danger Den MAZE-2 waterblock, and it has come to me, as well as a 172watt peltier. I'm still waiting for Danger Den to make that special coldplate to fit one more 172watt pelt under there! When it comes out, I'm going to buy one more 172watt pelt, and the coldplate! Maybe I could do a "guest" review on the block .. and a "guest" article on using it in a liquid cooled PC enviroment? If this sounds like too much, don't mind me -Solomon Oh ------------------ If at first you don't succeed, slap on a 7k rpm Delta!

05-28-2001, 03:11 PM	#6
JLeufkens Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 5	Why is the block crappy? Tweaktown.com did a block round up and ours was only 1.7 deg. above the maze 2 and determined MOST LIKELY TO NOT LEAK and most polished block (which means it does NOT look like crap) You go ahead and spend another $40 to get a block that is harder to install, more likely to leak and only 1.7 deg. F cooler

05-28-2001, 06:57 PM	#7
LiquidCool Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Central Florida Posts: 231	hehehe OOGA BOOGA!

05-28-2001, 09:10 PM	#8
mkosem Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2001 Location: here Posts: 494	My friend is happy with his leufken aluminum block. It was improved greately by a copper cold plate between the cpu and the block. His temps are on par with his copper "JaggedEdge" block. --MAtt

05-29-2001, 02:20 PM	#10
resago Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: state of denial Posts: 488	polished smolished

05-29-2001, 09:43 PM	#11
mkosem Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2001 Location: here Posts: 494	hehe, I bet if you could power it, you could manage to stack the 172 watters atop a pair of 122 watters. That would be insane. Unless there is a limit to the peltier effect the temps would be less than -40 deg C with an athlon@1.6gig. That would be insane! Try cooling the water from that! But I must warn you. There is a guy in the [H]ardOCP forms with dual 172's and he's having problems chilling the water back down. The water temp is almost at the boiling point and his temps are no better than having nothing at all. He has one of those nice bong evaporators TOO! --MAtt

05-30-2001, 01:37 PM	#13
mkosem Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2001 Location: here Posts: 494	I am aware of that, however the 172's will just be a little less efficient. They will still be effective in droping the temp and moving heat faster. --MAtt

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