Snap Server 4500 CPU...

slie · 11-17-2009, 02:39 AM

I have a 4500 with a dead CPU currently its a 2.4ghz 533fsb, I have a 3.2ghz 533fsb, but system will not boot with 3.2, are there any dip settings or will this just not see a 3.2...or any manuals for this Mainboard? I do see a set of 4 dipswitches near cpu with all off...

Thanks in advance...

Phoenix32 · 11-17-2009, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slie

I have a 4500 with a dead CPU currently its a 2.4ghz 533fsb, I have a 3.2ghz 533fsb, but system will not boot with 3.2, are there any dip settings or will this just not see a 3.2...or any manuals for this Mainboard? I do see a set of 4 dipswitches near cpu with all off...

Thanks in advance...

A BIOS must have the codes for a given CPU.

slie · 11-18-2009, 10:15 AM

So then this bios will only see the 2.4ghz..?.... and cannot upgrade bios... and no settings on MOBO to set Multiplier.?... May be time to Upgrade my Server..

Phoenix32 · 11-18-2009, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slie

So then this bios will only see the 2.4ghz

Now, now there. That is not what I said.

blue68f100 · 11-18-2009, 02:06 PM

Sounds like the buss speed is off. But Phoenix has done a lot of upgrades to these units, he's more knowledgeable than I.

slie · 11-18-2009, 06:21 PM

the buss speed on both cpu's are 533.. the only issue i could see is the Multiplier... I do have access to another 2.4 but just can't keep it..

Can the BIOS be upgraded on the 4500? , I'll get it booting again and find out the bios ver im at... and where can i get bios updates for the 4500??

slie · 11-18-2009, 07:25 PM

ok here is what i have...

Bios ver.. 07.00.00
Build date.. 9/22/05
Bios ID .. S18Q3B02

With 3.2ghz cpu installed system powers up but it will not post.....

I just cracked my first beer for the night... so time to ponder this one...("A BIOS must have the codes for a given CPU. ")

thanks guys...

blue68f100 · 11-19-2009, 02:21 PM

Are you using EEC ram??????

slie · 11-19-2009, 08:08 PM

Yes..

Ram is : Infineon
PC2100
3 sticks of (512 - DDR - 266 - CL2 - ECC)

slie · 11-20-2009, 11:37 AM

I also tried a 2.8ghz P4 and got ame problems... looks to me like i need to do a Bios flash..(IF it is available.,..and finding it.).

If anyone has a resource for the S18Q-AMI BIOS.. please shoot me a message..

Thanks....

Phoenix32 · 11-20-2009, 04:12 PM

Okay, now that we have gone this far, I will jump in here. First and foremost, I have to ask, how do you know your 2.4Ghz CPU is dead? Second, how did it get that way?

Next. DIP switches to set multipliers and/or FSB speed? Are you kidding me? Modern motherboards have done this in firmware for a very long time now. Which brings us to the microcodes for a given CPU in BIOS.

Next. The BIOS updates for the GOS Snap Servers is built into the GOS gsu files. Since the Snap Servers were not designed to have people inside the units upgrading the CPU, there are no manual settings for CPU speeds in BIOS and I doubt CPU microcodes was high on the OEM's list of things to do in the BIOS updates.

Next. The 4200/4500/15000 used a number of different processors and therefore do recognize a number of different CPUs.

There is more information on each of those above, but I am always reluctant to pass along some of those details for the reasons of what I do on the side and more importantly what people do with the information. Sorry, but true.

Now armed with some information and questions, let's get to it.

I asked about the CPU because to my logical troubleshooting techniques, there may be more at play here. You have a 4500 with a 2.4Ghz CPU and then the CPU goes bad? Something most likely happened to cause this in my mind. Did the board go bad and cause it or vice versa? All kinds of things come to mind. How did we determine the CPU was bad and also know nothing else is bad?

Do you know the 2.8Ghz and 3.2Ghz processors you were using are good?

Are these processors you are using for laptop/mobile? Just checking since many of the laptop processors in this series of Pentium 4 looked the same. Mobile Pentium 4 will not work in the Snap 4200/4500/15000.

I have not used any Prescott processors (I don't like them, so I don't have them), nor tested a Northwood 3.2Ghz. But... I have used a Northwood 2.6Ghz, 2.8Ghz, and 3Ghz. Worked fine.

Obviously, in this situation, we need more information to be able to help you. Like what happened to the original CPU and what EXACT CPU you are trying to use.

slie · 11-20-2009, 10:53 PM

Lots of info... thanks Phoenix.
Well to start off, my Dumb...@zz brother messed up the orig. cpu.. he pulled it out to test a MoBo and powered it up without a heatsink..

Next - the 3.2Ghz I have IS a Mobile P4 so that answers that...
The 2.8Ghz i have is a Celeron.. not sure about this one..
I borrowed another 2.4Ghz P4 to test the 4500 and it did work..So 4500 is good.

Do'nt the Norwood P4 have a 800Mhz FSB?

System is running Windows XP on it...So GOS is gone...-But im sure i can get it back if needed -

Understood:
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"There is more information on each of those above, but I am always reluctant to pass along some of those details for the reasons of what I do on the side and more importantly what people do with the information. Sorry, but true."
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4500 sits in my media rack under my stairs..(I would just like to get it going again,,if i can use a faster CPU it would be nice but if i have to, i'll find another 2.4Ghz.)

Phoenix32 · 11-21-2009, 02:50 PM

Get yourself a:

Pentium 4, NOT Celron
2.8Ghz or 3.06Ghz
533Mhz FSB
NON MOBILE
512 cache (this is a Northwood non Celron)

To do this, go to Intel's sSpec Finder and select Pentium 4. Then after that, you select the Speed, 533 FSB, 512 cache, then filter on selections. This will list the sSpec number of the CPUs you want.

slie · 11-21-2009, 06:15 PM

Thanks Phoenix

I'll be checking ebay...

thank you also blue..

You guys are a big help....

slie · 11-22-2009, 07:47 PM

One more question Phoenix,

I have a choice of 6 CPU's in the 3.06Ghz range...
and 2 with the same D1 Stepping as the Old 2.4Ghz.
SL6PG and SL6QC, Cannot see a differance between these.

I can get a SL6PG for pretty cheap.
its a little harder to find the SL6QC for a reasonable price.

Has the SL6PG been tested or does it not matter at this point?

Slie Isi

blue68f100 · 11-23-2009, 01:33 PM

The SL6PG is:
These are tray processors, but some are also offered as boxed processors with an unattached fan heatsink. These parts have multiple VIDs.
http://processorfinder.intel.com/det...px?sSpec=SL6PG

Where the SL6QC is boxed
http://processorfinder.intel.com/det...px?sSpec=SL6QC

Phoenix32 · 11-24-2009, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slie

One more question Phoenix,

I have a choice of 6 CPU's in the 3.06Ghz range...
and 2 with the same D1 Stepping as the Old 2.4Ghz.
SL6PG and SL6QC, Cannot see a differance between these.

I can get a SL6PG for pretty cheap.
its a little harder to find the SL6QC for a reasonable price.

Has the SL6PG been tested or does it not matter at this point?

Slie Isi

Go for the cheaper one, it is just a non Retail version.

As for which are tested, I have to tell you, I didn't write it down and don't remember anymore. I just know if you stick with the Pentium 4 Northwood bunch with the 533MHz FSB and 512K Cache, they work for every one I have used. Also, the 400MHz FSB bunch work most of the time also. The 800MHz FSB group won't at rated speeds (the board doesn't support 800MHz FSB). Speaking of which, the MB/BIOS does not use the hyperthread either.

Max8 · 11-24-2009, 02:54 PM

Gents,

Sorry to barge in but this is good info and I wanted to throw some examples at you; these are straight off ebay...

Pentium 4 P4 CPU 3.2Ghz 3.2 C 512KB 800 Northwood 478
- No Good as its an 800Mhz FSB?

Intel Pentium® 4, 2.8 GHz HT (Northwood) - socket 478
- Probably OK?

New Pentium 4 P4 3.4 3.4Ghz/512/800/478 Northwood SL793
- No Good as its an 800Mhz FSB?

Intel® Pentium® 4 CPU 3.06 GHz SL5S6 Northwood
- Probably OK?

INTEL PENTIUM 4 2.8GHz NORTHWOOD 478 p4, 2.8, HT, SL6WJ
- Probably OK?

Pentium 4 2.8 Ghz 478 CPU 400 FSB Northwood *BRAND NEW
- Probably OK?

Intel® Pentium® 4 CPU 3.40 GHz SL793 Northwood
- No Good as its an 800Mhz FSB?

Pentium 4 P4 CPU 3.06Ghz 512/533 Northwood 478 SL6PG
- Probably OK?

Os can they only be "SL6PG" or "SL6QC"

If I message these sellers should they be able to locate the "SL6PG" or "SL6QC" easily from the print on the top of the chip? - or do I need to get all the numbers and compare them to a lit online?

Phoenix32 · 11-24-2009, 04:17 PM

Shoot me an eMail mate...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max8

Gents,

Sorry to barge in but this is good info and I wanted to throw some examples at you; these are straight off ebay...

Pentium 4 P4 CPU 3.2Ghz 3.2 C 512KB 800 Northwood 478
- No Good as its an 800Mhz FSB?

Intel Pentium® 4, 2.8 GHz HT (Northwood) - socket 478
- Probably OK?

New Pentium 4 P4 3.4 3.4Ghz/512/800/478 Northwood SL793
- No Good as its an 800Mhz FSB?

Intel® Pentium® 4 CPU 3.06 GHz SL5S6 Northwood
- Probably OK?

INTEL PENTIUM 4 2.8GHz NORTHWOOD 478 p4, 2.8, HT, SL6WJ
- Probably OK?

Pentium 4 2.8 Ghz 478 CPU 400 FSB Northwood *BRAND NEW
- Probably OK?

Intel® Pentium® 4 CPU 3.40 GHz SL793 Northwood
- No Good as its an 800Mhz FSB?

Pentium 4 P4 CPU 3.06Ghz 512/533 Northwood 478 SL6PG
- Probably OK?

Os can they only be "SL6PG" or "SL6QC"

If I message these sellers should they be able to locate the "SL6PG" or "SL6QC" easily from the print on the top of the chip? - or do I need to get all the numbers and compare them to a lit online?

slie · 11-25-2009, 04:08 PM

OK, I ordered the 3.06Ghz Northwood... SL6QC

Thanks again...

Snap Server 4500 soon to be :
3.06Ghz with Liquid cooling and Windows XP OS... 1TB...

Phoenix32 · 11-25-2009, 07:45 PM

Maybe this picture will say more.

slie · 11-28-2009, 01:14 PM

I'll post pictures when its done....

slie · 12-12-2009, 12:15 AM

Here she is...

Liquid cooled CPU at a whoping 29c
3.06Ghz
1.5Gig RAM
Windows XP Pro

Thanks to Everyone..

blue68f100 · 12-13-2009, 11:30 AM

That's one way to kill the noise of the blower. Are you still using the smaller fans for the HD's? or did you liquid cool them too.

slie · 12-13-2009, 02:57 PM

I left the HD fans in but changed them out to a more quiet one.
I would like to Liquid cool the GPU chip but do'nt want to damage it trying to remove the heat sink..looks like it is glued on.

11-17-2009, 02:39 AM	#1
slie Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 15	Snap Server 4500 CPU... I have a 4500 with a dead CPU currently its a 2.4ghz 533fsb, I have a 3.2ghz 533fsb, but system will not boot with 3.2, are there any dip settings or will this just not see a 3.2...or any manuals for this Mainboard? I do see a set of 4 dipswitches near cpu with all off... Thanks in advance...

11-18-2009, 10:15 AM	#3
slie Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 15	Re: Snap Server 4500 CPU... So then this bios will only see the 2.4ghz..?.... and cannot upgrade bios... and no settings on MOBO to set Multiplier.?... May be time to Upgrade my Server..

11-18-2009, 02:06 PM	#5
blue68f100 Thermophile Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 3,135	Re: Snap Server 4500 CPU... Sounds like the buss speed is off. But Phoenix has done a lot of upgrades to these units, he's more knowledgeable than I. __________________ 1 Snap 4500 - 1.0T (4 x 250gig WD2500SB RE), Raid5, 1 Snap 4500 - 1.6T (4 x 400gig Seagates), Raid5, 1 Snap 4200 - 4.0T (4 x 2gig Seagates), Raid5, Using SATA converts from Andy Link to SnapOS FAQ's http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=13820

11-18-2009, 06:21 PM	#6
slie Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 15	Re: Snap Server 4500 CPU... the buss speed on both cpu's are 533.. the only issue i could see is the Multiplier... I do have access to another 2.4 but just can't keep it.. Can the BIOS be upgraded on the 4500? , I'll get it booting again and find out the bios ver im at... and where can i get bios updates for the 4500??

11-18-2009, 07:25 PM	#7
slie Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 15	Re: Snap Server 4500 CPU... ok here is what i have... Bios ver.. 07.00.00 Build date.. 9/22/05 Bios ID .. S18Q3B02 With 3.2ghz cpu installed system powers up but it will not post..... I just cracked my first beer for the night... so time to ponder this one...("A BIOS must have the codes for a given CPU. ") thanks guys... Last edited by slie; 11-18-2009 at 08:49 PM.

11-19-2009, 02:21 PM	#8
blue68f100 Thermophile Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 3,135	Re: Snap Server 4500 CPU... Are you using EEC ram?????? __________________ 1 Snap 4500 - 1.0T (4 x 250gig WD2500SB RE), Raid5, 1 Snap 4500 - 1.6T (4 x 400gig Seagates), Raid5, 1 Snap 4200 - 4.0T (4 x 2gig Seagates), Raid5, Using SATA converts from Andy Link to SnapOS FAQ's http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=13820

11-19-2009, 08:08 PM	#9
slie Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 15	Re: Snap Server 4500 CPU... Yes.. Ram is : Infineon PC2100 3 sticks of (512 - DDR - 266 - CL2 - ECC)

11-20-2009, 11:37 AM	#10
slie Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 15	Re: Snap Server 4500 CPU... I also tried a 2.8ghz P4 and got ame problems... looks to me like i need to do a Bios flash..(IF it is available.,..and finding it.). If anyone has a resource for the S18Q-AMI BIOS.. please shoot me a message.. Thanks....

11-20-2009, 04:12 PM	#11
Phoenix32 Thermophile Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yakima, WA Posts: 1,282	Re: Snap Server 4500 CPU... Okay, now that we have gone this far, I will jump in here. First and foremost, I have to ask, how do you know your 2.4Ghz CPU is dead? Second, how did it get that way? Next. DIP switches to set multipliers and/or FSB speed? Are you kidding me? Modern motherboards have done this in firmware for a very long time now. Which brings us to the microcodes for a given CPU in BIOS. Next. The BIOS updates for the GOS Snap Servers is built into the GOS gsu files. Since the Snap Servers were not designed to have people inside the units upgrading the CPU, there are no manual settings for CPU speeds in BIOS and I doubt CPU microcodes was high on the OEM's list of things to do in the BIOS updates. Next. The 4200/4500/15000 used a number of different processors and therefore do recognize a number of different CPUs. There is more information on each of those above, but I am always reluctant to pass along some of those details for the reasons of what I do on the side and more importantly what people do with the information. Sorry, but true. Now armed with some information and questions, let's get to it. I asked about the CPU because to my logical troubleshooting techniques, there may be more at play here. You have a 4500 with a 2.4Ghz CPU and then the CPU goes bad? Something most likely happened to cause this in my mind. Did the board go bad and cause it or vice versa? All kinds of things come to mind. How did we determine the CPU was bad and also know nothing else is bad? Do you know the 2.8Ghz and 3.2Ghz processors you were using are good? Are these processors you are using for laptop/mobile? Just checking since many of the laptop processors in this series of Pentium 4 looked the same. Mobile Pentium 4 will not work in the Snap 4200/4500/15000. I have not used any Prescott processors (I don't like them, so I don't have them), nor tested a Northwood 3.2Ghz. But... I have used a Northwood 2.6Ghz, 2.8Ghz, and 3Ghz. Worked fine. Obviously, in this situation, we need more information to be able to help you. Like what happened to the original CPU and what EXACT CPU you are trying to use.

11-20-2009, 10:53 PM	#12
slie Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 15	Re: Snap Server 4500 CPU... Lots of info... thanks Phoenix. Well to start off, my Dumb...@zz brother messed up the orig. cpu.. he pulled it out to test a MoBo and powered it up without a heatsink.. Next - the 3.2Ghz I have IS a Mobile P4 so that answers that... The 2.8Ghz i have is a Celeron.. not sure about this one.. I borrowed another 2.4Ghz P4 to test the 4500 and it did work..So 4500 is good. Do'nt the Norwood P4 have a 800Mhz FSB? System is running Windows XP on it...So GOS is gone...-But im sure i can get it back if needed - Understood: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "There is more information on each of those above, but I am always reluctant to pass along some of those details for the reasons of what I do on the side and more importantly what people do with the information. Sorry, but true." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4500 sits in my media rack under my stairs..(I would just like to get it going again,,if i can use a faster CPU it would be nice but if i have to, i'll find another 2.4Ghz.)

11-21-2009, 02:50 PM	#13
Phoenix32 Thermophile Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yakima, WA Posts: 1,282	Re: Snap Server 4500 CPU... Get yourself a: Pentium 4, NOT Celron 2.8Ghz or 3.06Ghz 533Mhz FSB NON MOBILE 512 cache (this is a Northwood non Celron) To do this, go to Intel's sSpec Finder and select Pentium 4. Then after that, you select the Speed, 533 FSB, 512 cache, then filter on selections. This will list the sSpec number of the CPUs you want.

11-21-2009, 06:15 PM	#14
slie Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 15	Re: Snap Server 4500 CPU... Thanks Phoenix I'll be checking ebay... thank you also blue.. You guys are a big help....

11-22-2009, 07:47 PM	#15
slie Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 15	Re: Snap Server 4500 CPU... One more question Phoenix, I have a choice of 6 CPU's in the 3.06Ghz range... and 2 with the same D1 Stepping as the Old 2.4Ghz. SL6PG and SL6QC, Cannot see a differance between these. I can get a SL6PG for pretty cheap. its a little harder to find the SL6QC for a reasonable price. Has the SL6PG been tested or does it not matter at this point? Slie Isi

11-23-2009, 01:33 PM	#16
blue68f100 Thermophile Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 3,135	Re: Snap Server 4500 CPU... The SL6PG is: These are tray processors, but some are also offered as boxed processors with an unattached fan heatsink. These parts have multiple VIDs. http://processorfinder.intel.com/det...px?sSpec=SL6PG Where the SL6QC is boxed http://processorfinder.intel.com/det...px?sSpec=SL6QC __________________ 1 Snap 4500 - 1.0T (4 x 250gig WD2500SB RE), Raid5, 1 Snap 4500 - 1.6T (4 x 400gig Seagates), Raid5, 1 Snap 4200 - 4.0T (4 x 2gig Seagates), Raid5, Using SATA converts from Andy Link to SnapOS FAQ's http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=13820

11-24-2009, 02:54 PM	#18
Max8 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 83	Re: Snap Server 4500 CPU... Gents, Sorry to barge in but this is good info and I wanted to throw some examples at you; these are straight off ebay... Pentium 4 P4 CPU 3.2Ghz 3.2 C 512KB 800 Northwood 478 - No Good as its an 800Mhz FSB? Intel Pentium® 4, 2.8 GHz HT (Northwood) - socket 478 - Probably OK? New Pentium 4 P4 3.4 3.4Ghz/512/800/478 Northwood SL793 - No Good as its an 800Mhz FSB? Intel® Pentium® 4 CPU 3.06 GHz SL5S6 Northwood - Probably OK? INTEL PENTIUM 4 2.8GHz NORTHWOOD 478 p4, 2.8, HT, SL6WJ - Probably OK? Pentium 4 2.8 Ghz 478 CPU 400 FSB Northwood *BRAND NEW - Probably OK? Intel® Pentium® 4 CPU 3.40 GHz SL793 Northwood - No Good as its an 800Mhz FSB? Pentium 4 P4 CPU 3.06Ghz 512/533 Northwood 478 SL6PG - Probably OK? Os can they only be "SL6PG" or "SL6QC" If I message these sellers should they be able to locate the "SL6PG" or "SL6QC" easily from the print on the top of the chip? - or do I need to get all the numbers and compare them to a lit online?

11-25-2009, 04:08 PM	#20
slie Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 15	Re: Snap Server 4500 CPU... OK, I ordered the 3.06Ghz Northwood... SL6QC Thanks again... Snap Server 4500 soon to be : 3.06Ghz with Liquid cooling and Windows XP OS... 1TB...

11-28-2009, 01:14 PM	#22
slie Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 15	Re: Snap Server 4500 CPU... I'll post pictures when its done....

12-13-2009, 11:30 AM	#24
blue68f100 Thermophile Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 3,135	Re: Snap Server 4500 CPU... That's one way to kill the noise of the blower. Are you still using the smaller fans for the HD's? or did you liquid cool them too. __________________ 1 Snap 4500 - 1.0T (4 x 250gig WD2500SB RE), Raid5, 1 Snap 4500 - 1.6T (4 x 400gig Seagates), Raid5, 1 Snap 4200 - 4.0T (4 x 2gig Seagates), Raid5, Using SATA converts from Andy Link to SnapOS FAQ's http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=13820

12-13-2009, 02:57 PM	#25
slie Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 15	Re: Snap Server 4500 CPU... I left the HD fans in but changed them out to a more quiet one. I would like to Liquid cool the GPU chip but do'nt want to damage it trying to remove the heat sink..looks like it is glued on. Last edited by slie; 12-13-2009 at 03:41 PM.

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