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09-28-2004, 09:39 AM | #1 |
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My New WC Layout. Any Comments or Suggestions? Mostly Heatercore Related.
I currently have a '77 Bonneville heatercore in a full tower (in the bottom front). It's about 240mm x 160mm. I'm sure most if not all here are familiar with it.
I was planning on using this heatercore for my new rig, but now I'm thinking about a new layout. I thought it up mainly from some of my previous designs so I guess you would say it stemmed from an evolution of ideas. It's a rather simple idea, though I've never seen anything like it online. Basically a external rad box attached to the bottom of a mid tower resulting in full tower dimentions. (And a "reseratior") Would two ~120mm x ~120mm heatercores be better, worse, or about the same from a performance standpoint? What about three? And which of the many heatercores of this size would you personally recommend? Edit: With just a rought guestimate max heatercore dimentions come out to about 180mmx160mm. Here's part of the setup. I added the third heatercore & fan for good measure if only so I can undervolt all the fans all the more. I may turn the hottest heatercore around such that the fan is sucking like all the others. I plan on using birch ply (Light but strong. I use birch props on my RC airplanes) for the rad/pump box. So turning a mid tower into a full tower, just one with the attributes I want, which is a full tower with lots of room at the bottom. The only case I know of that might let me do this layout without serious modding would be the Coolermaster Stacker. But I would like the look of a Lian Li and their full tower just has a lot on 5.25” bays and very little if any of the extra volume is in the bottom area where I would like. I could put a Camry heatercore in the 5.25” bays I know, but I would like them towards the bottom, if only for aesthetics. That’s one thing I like about this idea is aesthetics. Not only is the Iwaki hidden (sticks out like a sore thumb in my current full tower), but the cool looking action (UV additive) tubing, waterblocks, and reservoir (if I use one) are literally placed on a pedestal rather an at the bottom of things. Also, I plan to make this slightly on the wide side so I could use it in future rigs to come. I hope to make this setup selectable from a very quiet machine to a near silent machine with only the PSU fan and outblowing rear case fan running (and of course the Iwaki). How? More sketches coming... DrCR ____________ SilentPCReview Last edited by DrCR; 10-04-2004 at 08:43 AM. |
09-28-2004, 09:49 AM | #2 |
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As part of the "near silent" selection, I plan on using the quickconnects UncleBob is using with his setup (link) and attaching a nice big copper reservoir to act as a reseratior.
http://www.omega.com/pptst/FTHFC12_38.htmlOmega Industries specs Here's a few shot's of UncleBob's Setup (for those of you who haven't seen them. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...t/dscn0016.jpg From these quickconnects I plan on hooking up a large uninsulated copper cylinder like the old direct hot water cylinders. Something about 8"x26” (.20m x .66m). Essentially I would like to use this as a reseratior and simply turn off all the fans on the heatercores, expect perhaps the rear one in the bottom enclosure to keeps some air passing over the Iwaki. And if I ever would like to take my computer to a lan party or something, I’ll have the cooling power with three heatercores and can just leave the hugh water cylinder at home. What do you guys think? Comments, suggestions? DrCR __________ Last edited by DrCR; 10-04-2004 at 11:21 PM. |
09-28-2004, 01:24 PM | #3 |
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Those are the same fittings I'm using on my external system. You might find them a little cheaper over here.
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/pro...duct%5Fid=7413 |
09-28-2004, 03:53 PM | #4 |
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Cool, thanks. How restrictive are they?
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09-28-2004, 06:25 PM | #5 |
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They are somewhat restrictive, but not as bad I thought they would. I really didn't do any in depth testing on them ie: measuring flow and pressure loss. What I did do was do check my CPU temps without them installed and with them installed and only came up with was a average of 1c differance between the 2 setups. It's not that big of a deal to me as the ease of disconnecting, transporting and maintaining the system are more than worth the 1c higher temps.
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09-28-2004, 06:56 PM | #7 | |
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09-28-2004, 10:39 PM | #8 |
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These are the ones that I used on my system.
60814 1/2" Polypropylene Hose Barb Shutoff - 1.86 Lgt - Coupling Insert 60695 1/2" Polypropylene Bulkhead Panel Mount Hose Barb Shutoff- 2.82 Lgt - Coupling Body |
09-29-2004, 08:03 AM | #9 |
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If I went for the 5/8" size I should still be able to fit 1/2ID in it, right (hot water trick)? Correct me if I'm wrong but the 5/8" would be less restrictive than the 1/2".
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09-29-2004, 08:24 AM | #10 | |
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From this thread in the case modders section:
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Any comments on this? 3/8" ID would be a bummer. |
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09-29-2004, 09:02 AM | #11 |
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Those larger ones would be great to have, but I already have a mortgage on my house, so I got the largest I had money for at the time. I have to keep reminding myself that I'm a retired disabled vet and cash can get a little tight at times.........
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09-29-2004, 02:09 PM | #12 |
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Hey, that's totally fine. I haven't even looked at the prices yet myself so I don't know what we're talking about dollars wise.
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10-03-2004, 07:00 PM | #13 |
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Would three ~120mm x ~120mm heatercores do me just fine for just about anything?
Something like running an A64 3000+ at greater than 3700+ speeds @2+v, a watercooled northbridge, and an overclocked 6800 Ultra or maybe two with SLI? Or would I have to use two 120x240 heatercores with a pair of car blowers to sufficiently handle this load? Not that I’ll necessarily have such a significant wattage setup right off, but I’m really thing about this for the long haul i.e. I would like this quasi-external setup to be used as-is for the next half decade or so. DrCR __________ Last edited by DrCR; 10-04-2004 at 11:19 PM. |
10-03-2004, 07:11 PM | #14 |
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Max Dimensions:
242.8875 x 495.3 x 649.288 mm (WxDxH) (9.5625” x 19.5” x 25.5625”) Preferred Max Height Total: 25” ≈ 635mm Birch Ply ½ in. Thickness: 11mm Approx. Case Max Height: 17.7165” ≈ 450mm Concluding Support Box Dimentions: Exterior Dimensions: 242.8 x 495.3 x 185 (WxDxH) Interior Dimensions: 222.8 mm x 163 mm (WxH) So my max heatercore size with the above dimensions would be 222.8mm x 163mm x Depth” ≈ 8.77” x 6.417” x Depth” Would it be too restrictive (air flow wise) to put three 2" heatercores in the bottom quasi-external rad box. Perhaps three ~1" heatercores? Last edited by DrCR; 10-04-2004 at 11:06 PM. |
10-03-2004, 07:15 PM | #15 |
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Oh, by the way, the components I plan on using.
Pump: Iwaki MD-20Z CPU Block: Cathar's "Storm" G4 Northbridge: Silverprop or perhaps a Maze4 GPU: Silverprop Tubing: Tygon R-3603 or Clearflex60 1/2"ID or 7/16"ID Heatecores: Not sure yet Heatercore Fans: Papst 4412 on the heatercores, perhaps Globes or Nexus fans Case Fans: Globe or Nexus fans |
10-04-2004, 11:13 PM | #16 | |
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Any thought on this? Also, can heatercore orientation give you trapped air issues? I heard of one case where an inverted heatercore prevented proper bleeding. I ask because I may end up laying the heatercores on their sides. My thought is that it will probably be easier to find a 8.77” x 6.417” (HxW) heatercore and just lay it on its side than to find a 8.77” x 6.417” (WxH) heatercore. Big thanks for the help, DrCR __________ Last edited by DrCR; 10-04-2004 at 11:20 PM. |
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