snap 2200 - Mixing Disk RPM's

berserker · 10-07-2006, 08:55 PM

Hey,

Searched for answers but could not find what I was looking for.

I have a dead Seagate ST380020A (80GB, 5400RPM) in my 2200. I would like to replace it with an 80GB 7200RPM. Would there be an issue?

I am aware of the fan upgrade for the heat and have one on order that runs at 4300 RPM so that should help the heat issue.

I may just upgrade both to larger drives but would like to check out all my options first.

Also, if anyone knows where I can get a copy of OS v4 for the 2200, please PM me.

Any advice or past experiences appreciated.

Phoenix32 · 10-07-2006, 09:13 PM

Putting a newer 7200RPM drive should not be a problem. Most of the newer drives in fact run cooler than they used to...

berserker · 10-07-2006, 09:40 PM

excellent, thanks!!

re3dyb0y · 10-08-2006, 05:17 AM

The only Issues you may face, is with ATA133 drives or EIDE drives...

What are you looking at getting?

Phoenix32 · 10-08-2006, 09:55 AM

True enough...

blue68f100 · 10-08-2006, 11:31 AM

If you are using RAID, I would not recomend mixing rpm.
It will work, but they will not be in sync.

Hallis · 10-08-2006, 01:13 PM

JBOD shoudl work fine.

berserker · 10-08-2006, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by re3dyb0y

The only Issues you may face, is with ATA133 drives or EIDE drives...

What are you looking at getting?

ATA-100... I read about issues with EIDE but are there issues with ATA-133?

re3dyb0y · 10-08-2006, 02:05 PM

There have been some reported issues

but i have used them fine

blue68f100 · 10-08-2006, 02:15 PM

2200 do not have the problem with ata133, EIDE. It has the 80 cond cable. It's the units with 40 conductor that have reported problems.

It applies to the older 2000 v1, and 1000v1 models.

Hallis · 10-08-2006, 02:20 PM

I had an 80-pin cable that was the exact same legnth as the 40 that came out of my 1100 so i swapped them just because. (the 80-pin cable came out of an old dead external HDD enclosure) It worked fine. I'm wondering what would happen if i try an ATA-133 in there. The only one I have is my boot drive on my desktop machine though. That one's not going anywhere.

Shane

re3dyb0y · 10-08-2006, 02:31 PM

You wouldnt notice that much difference in preformance i dont think

blue68f100 · 10-08-2006, 04:02 PM

There is a major difference in drive performance. I notice a huge difference when I upgraded to the 7200rpm drives.

My 2000 had 5400's upped to 7200's. My 2200 came with 7200rpm drives.

Hallis · 10-08-2006, 04:49 PM

I'm putting 7200's in my 2000 sometime, ive got the drives, just too lazy right now to unbox them.

blue68f100 · 10-08-2006, 05:16 PM

The 2000's only have a ATA66 interface. Not sure of the v2 models.

Hallis · 10-08-2006, 07:45 PM

Mine is a V2, so we'll find out.

jontz · 10-08-2006, 07:58 PM

My experience with 5400 vs 7200 hasn't been in drive throughput, but in seek times. 7200 RPM drives have much lower seek times than 5400, but in raw read/write I don't see too much difference. The different seeks times would definitely cause RAID problems though, so Blue is right, as always. Stay away from mixed drive RAID.

Phoenix32 · 10-08-2006, 10:31 PM

In general, it is just not wise to mix ANYTHING in a RAID array...

jontz · 10-10-2006, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix32

In general, it is just not wise to mix ANYTHING in a RAID array...

Didn't I just say that?

Phoenix32 · 10-10-2006, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jontz

Didn't I just say that?

Nope, you were TOO SPECIFIC...

Hallis · 10-10-2006, 09:19 AM

actually he said stay away from mixed drive raid, that could mean rpm, size, cache, So it's really pretty vague and all encompasing.

Shane

jontz · 10-10-2006, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallis

actually he said stay away from mixed drive raid, that could mean rpm, size, cache, So it's really pretty vague and all encompasing.

Shane

Just the way I like it...

10-07-2006, 08:55 PM	#1
berserker Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: North Posts: 4	snap 2200 - Mixing Disk RPM's Hey, Searched for answers but could not find what I was looking for. I have a dead Seagate ST380020A (80GB, 5400RPM) in my 2200. I would like to replace it with an 80GB 7200RPM. Would there be an issue? I am aware of the fan upgrade for the heat and have one on order that runs at 4300 RPM so that should help the heat issue. I may just upgrade both to larger drives but would like to check out all my options first. Also, if anyone knows where I can get a copy of OS v4 for the 2200, please PM me. Any advice or past experiences appreciated.

10-07-2006, 09:13 PM	#2
Phoenix32 Thermophile Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yakima, WA Posts: 1,282	Re: snap 2200 - Mixing Disk RPM's Putting a newer 7200RPM drive should not be a problem. Most of the newer drives in fact run cooler than they used to...

10-07-2006, 09:40 PM	#3
berserker Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: North Posts: 4	Re: snap 2200 - Mixing Disk RPM's excellent, thanks!!

10-08-2006, 05:17 AM	#4
re3dyb0y Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK Posts: 909	Re: snap 2200 - Mixing Disk RPM's The only Issues you may face, is with ATA133 drives or EIDE drives... What are you looking at getting? __________________ Snap Server Help Wiki - http://wiki.procooling.com/index.php/Snap_Server Snap Server 2200 v3.4.807 2x 250GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 w/ UNIDFC601512M Replacement Fan "Did you really think it would be that easy??" Other NAS's 1x NSLU2 w/ 512mb Corsair Flash Voyager Running Unslung 6.8b 1x NSLU2 w/ 8Gb LaCie Carte Orange Running Debian/NSLU2 Stable 4.0r0 250GB LaCie Ethernet Disk Running Windows XP Embedded

10-08-2006, 09:55 AM	#5
Phoenix32 Thermophile Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yakima, WA Posts: 1,282	Re: snap 2200 - Mixing Disk RPM's True enough...

10-08-2006, 11:31 AM	#6
blue68f100 Thermophile Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 3,135	Re: snap 2200 - Mixing Disk RPM's If you are using RAID, I would not recomend mixing rpm. It will work, but they will not be in sync. __________________ 1 Snap 4500 - 1.0T (4 x 250gig WD2500SB RE), Raid5, 1 Snap 4500 - 1.6T (4 x 400gig Seagates), Raid5, 1 Snap 4200 - 4.0T (4 x 2gig Seagates), Raid5, Using SATA converts from Andy Link to SnapOS FAQ's http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=13820

10-08-2006, 01:13 PM	#7
Hallis Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 469	Re: snap 2200 - Mixing Disk RPM's JBOD shoudl work fine. __________________ Snap Servers: 1100 - 1x300gb Seagate Baracuda (SnapOS Version 3.4.807) 2200 - 2x80gb Maxtor (one dead) (SnapOS 4.0.860)

10-08-2006, 02:05 PM	#9
re3dyb0y Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK Posts: 909	Re: snap 2200 - Mixing Disk RPM's There have been some reported issues but i have used them fine __________________ Snap Server Help Wiki - http://wiki.procooling.com/index.php/Snap_Server Snap Server 2200 v3.4.807 2x 250GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 w/ UNIDFC601512M Replacement Fan "Did you really think it would be that easy??" Other NAS's 1x NSLU2 w/ 512mb Corsair Flash Voyager Running Unslung 6.8b 1x NSLU2 w/ 8Gb LaCie Carte Orange Running Debian/NSLU2 Stable 4.0r0 250GB LaCie Ethernet Disk Running Windows XP Embedded

10-08-2006, 02:15 PM	#10
blue68f100 Thermophile Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 3,135	Re: snap 2200 - Mixing Disk RPM's 2200 do not have the problem with ata133, EIDE. It has the 80 cond cable. It's the units with 40 conductor that have reported problems. It applies to the older 2000 v1, and 1000v1 models. __________________ 1 Snap 4500 - 1.0T (4 x 250gig WD2500SB RE), Raid5, 1 Snap 4500 - 1.6T (4 x 400gig Seagates), Raid5, 1 Snap 4200 - 4.0T (4 x 2gig Seagates), Raid5, Using SATA converts from Andy Link to SnapOS FAQ's http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=13820

10-08-2006, 02:20 PM	#11
Hallis Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 469	Re: snap 2200 - Mixing Disk RPM's I had an 80-pin cable that was the exact same legnth as the 40 that came out of my 1100 so i swapped them just because. (the 80-pin cable came out of an old dead external HDD enclosure) It worked fine. I'm wondering what would happen if i try an ATA-133 in there. The only one I have is my boot drive on my desktop machine though. That one's not going anywhere. Shane __________________ Snap Servers: 1100 - 1x300gb Seagate Baracuda (SnapOS Version 3.4.807) 2200 - 2x80gb Maxtor (one dead) (SnapOS 4.0.860)

10-08-2006, 02:31 PM	#12
re3dyb0y Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK Posts: 909	Re: snap 2200 - Mixing Disk RPM's You wouldnt notice that much difference in preformance i dont think __________________ Snap Server Help Wiki - http://wiki.procooling.com/index.php/Snap_Server Snap Server 2200 v3.4.807 2x 250GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 w/ UNIDFC601512M Replacement Fan "Did you really think it would be that easy??" Other NAS's 1x NSLU2 w/ 512mb Corsair Flash Voyager Running Unslung 6.8b 1x NSLU2 w/ 8Gb LaCie Carte Orange Running Debian/NSLU2 Stable 4.0r0 250GB LaCie Ethernet Disk Running Windows XP Embedded

10-08-2006, 04:02 PM	#13
blue68f100 Thermophile Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 3,135	Re: snap 2200 - Mixing Disk RPM's There is a major difference in drive performance. I notice a huge difference when I upgraded to the 7200rpm drives. My 2000 had 5400's upped to 7200's. My 2200 came with 7200rpm drives. __________________ 1 Snap 4500 - 1.0T (4 x 250gig WD2500SB RE), Raid5, 1 Snap 4500 - 1.6T (4 x 400gig Seagates), Raid5, 1 Snap 4200 - 4.0T (4 x 2gig Seagates), Raid5, Using SATA converts from Andy Link to SnapOS FAQ's http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=13820

10-08-2006, 04:49 PM	#14
Hallis Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 469	Re: snap 2200 - Mixing Disk RPM's I'm putting 7200's in my 2000 sometime, ive got the drives, just too lazy right now to unbox them. __________________ Snap Servers: 1100 - 1x300gb Seagate Baracuda (SnapOS Version 3.4.807) 2200 - 2x80gb Maxtor (one dead) (SnapOS 4.0.860)

10-08-2006, 05:16 PM	#15
blue68f100 Thermophile Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 3,135	Re: snap 2200 - Mixing Disk RPM's The 2000's only have a ATA66 interface. Not sure of the v2 models. __________________ 1 Snap 4500 - 1.0T (4 x 250gig WD2500SB RE), Raid5, 1 Snap 4500 - 1.6T (4 x 400gig Seagates), Raid5, 1 Snap 4200 - 4.0T (4 x 2gig Seagates), Raid5, Using SATA converts from Andy Link to SnapOS FAQ's http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=13820

10-08-2006, 07:45 PM	#16
Hallis Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 469	Re: snap 2200 - Mixing Disk RPM's Mine is a V2, so we'll find out. __________________ Snap Servers: 1100 - 1x300gb Seagate Baracuda (SnapOS Version 3.4.807) 2200 - 2x80gb Maxtor (one dead) (SnapOS 4.0.860)

10-08-2006, 07:58 PM	#17
jontz Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South Bend, IN Posts: 385	Re: snap 2200 - Mixing Disk RPM's My experience with 5400 vs 7200 hasn't been in drive throughput, but in seek times. 7200 RPM drives have much lower seek times than 5400, but in raw read/write I don't see too much difference. The different seeks times would definitely cause RAID problems though, so Blue is right, as always. Stay away from mixed drive RAID. __________________ Snap Server 4100, 4x120GB Seagate Drives, RAID 5, version 3.4.803

10-08-2006, 10:31 PM	#18
Phoenix32 Thermophile Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yakima, WA Posts: 1,282	Re: snap 2200 - Mixing Disk RPM's In general, it is just not wise to mix ANYTHING in a RAID array...

10-10-2006, 09:19 AM	#21
Hallis Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 469	Re: snap 2200 - Mixing Disk RPM's actually he said stay away from mixed drive raid, that could mean rpm, size, cache, So it's really pretty vague and all encompasing. Shane __________________ Snap Servers: 1100 - 1x300gb Seagate Baracuda (SnapOS Version 3.4.807) 2200 - 2x80gb Maxtor (one dead) (SnapOS 4.0.860)

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