Swiftech Storm :) - Page 2

Egon · 07-01-2005, 07:18 PM

That is one seriously beautiful block. Not that I would expect anything less from those that brought the idea from paper to production.

Great job all around, and Grats!

murray13 · 07-02-2005, 04:24 AM

Kudos Stew and the gang at Swiftech!

ForceOfN4ture · 07-02-2005, 08:09 AM

Awesome work!

Compared to the other blocks currently on the market, that thing's just beautiful. Cathar and Swiftech... some team!

And now we have a use for these powerful pumps:
http://www.swiftnets.com/products/Storm.asp

The for-all-intents-and-purposes universal mounting bracket is waaay overdue in the liquidcooling world.
Cheers!
-BC

Gulp35 · 07-02-2005, 08:16 AM

Great job, May pick one of these up when I upgrade to 939, or M2. Congrats!!

TerraMex · 07-02-2005, 08:54 AM

maybe just me, but big shift in direction?
usually swiftech blocks go 40$. Very good performace.
jumps now to 80$. Is it worth the extra 40$?
not complaining, just pointing out.

Angry_Steel · 07-02-2005, 09:12 AM

Considering that it is like 4 pieces all of which have to be machined I imagine thats one reason, that and it is just being released. Doesnt seem to high to me, considering the prices of the 6000 series and such when they were just released.

bobkoure · 07-02-2005, 10:34 AM

Actually, it makes very good sense to have two block "lines" - the 6000 series is a really good contender for in-rack server cooling (particularly if they shorten the output stubs until a speedfit will just fit and supply the block with speedfits and some kind of right-angle connector (my bias would be "sweeps" of thinwall copper - but for the server market an ordinary speedfit push-on elbow would be fine) - along with the mcres (combination reservoir and 350 pump) they should be able to sell strongly into that market. IMHO whatever reservoir they have has to have a level alarm when the coolant goes down, say 50% - preferably hooked up to something like smbus as these servers are usually set up to all report health status back to a central machine. Failing smbus, a simple red LED with bezel and lead. Given that there are only a couple of 2U "layouts" it might also be useful to have pre-made lengths of hard tubing (unless there's some kind of new magic flexible tubing that does not lose water).

Of course, then there's the issue of where to put the radiator in a 2U case. The BI micros are 82mm wide, 2U cases are 88mm tall (but on the exterior - so it'll be tight). Maybe something like a radbox but for 80mmx2 rads? Not sure about that one as rack-backs are very crowded places and something like that might not go over at all. Maybe something designed to sit the rad sideways inside the case and blow out an end, driven by a small blower (impeller, really - used to pull air through the rad and expel from the case). Just a thought, of course... 3Us are no harder to fit stuff in than a desktop case.

The 6000 is also still the most appropriate block for the "silence" crowd - although this might change depending on the noise level of the new c-systems mag pump and how that pump's output interacts with the 6000 and the Storm.

On the other hand, the Storm is pointed at the performance market, where a $40 increment is no big deal (likely a good candidate for the "bling" market as well - although it may need more polarflo-like flutes or chrome or LEDs or something - I'm bling impaired so I'm the wrong person to even think about that market. And maybe the "bling" goes on the 6000(?) - cheaper to produce, even with some kind of push on acetal cover with blinkey LEDs or whatever and maybe priced up near the Storm...)

It might make sense to drop the 6002 so there'd be a clear delineation between the two "lines" (1/2 vs 3/8). I dunno...

Brians256 · 07-07-2005, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerraMex

maybe just me, but big shift in direction?
usually swiftech blocks go 40$. Very good performace.
jumps now to 80$. Is it worth the extra 40$?
not complaining, just pointing out.

Even if they sell very few units, Swiftech scored big by having a high end product. People will accept a price premium from a company with technical leadership even on products that are not the technical leaders. So, I'm sure that Bill and Gabriel are counting on the increased sale of other Swiftech products just because of the Storm block.

Jag · 07-07-2005, 05:06 PM

I guesstimate that Swiftech won't sell that many few sku's of the Storm block.
Nevertheless, as I said before it's a smart move from Swiftech.
The fact that the Storm block and it's "father" have agreed on associating themselves with Swiftech means several things:
- confidence in (swiftech) for tailoring and marketing a high performance product - meaning they have the "savoir-fare" to handle and deliver high requisite projects;
- image projection boost;
- a little "skake" of the market;
- there was a certain stupor caused from the sudden absence of Bill from this forum and also the fact that Swiftech's site was from the moment they announced the OTC, well almost void of novelties - even the mcp 655 pump wasn't announced oficially until now after the Storm block, when it was in the shops way before that.
- the amount of sku's sold of the Storm block will help demonstrate the confidence that users have on the brand, and that will be a strong selling point for Swiftech.
- as for the price, it sure is a deviation from the more standard practice of high performance/low price that more or less identified Swiftech products.
Remember that the MCW5000 wasn't a bargain block when compared to the MCW6000.
The Storm have different constraints in order to maintain the original product performance and hence the higher price tag.

NorthernYankee · 07-10-2005, 05:00 PM

kaotic504 · 07-10-2005, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorthernYankee

whoa, that almost like waterblock porn. JUST KIDDING. but some great shots of the Storm. Beautiful block.

NorthernYankee · 07-11-2005, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaotic504

whoa, that almost like waterblock porn. JUST KIDDING. but some great shots of the Storm. Beautiful block.

Yeah it is one Sexy block

black_dante · 07-11-2005, 03:46 PM

what kind of thermal paste is that?

Etacovda · 07-11-2005, 06:17 PM

ceramique, more than likely.

07-02-2005, 04:24 AM	#27
murray13 Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Omaha, NE USA Posts: 216	Awesome Kudos Stew and the gang at Swiftech!

07-02-2005, 08:16 AM	#29
Gulp35 Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 135	Great job, May pick one of these up when I upgrade to 939, or M2. Congrats!! __________________ Epox 8RDA+ v1.1----------Tyan K8SDPro 1700+ JUIHB 0310XPMW (12.5x200Mhz@1.792v)--------2xOpteron246 (2Ghz 1MB L2) 2x256MB Kingston PC3000 (BH5?) 2-2-2-8 2.7v---2x512MB Corsair Reg.&ECC PC3200 ATi Radeon 9800Pro (stock, too hot)-----ATI RageXL WD800JB+WD2500JB-------WD1600JD Sony DVD/CDRW-------NEC 3520A Black Forton350W--------Antec TruePower2.0 550W EPS12v

07-02-2005, 08:54 AM	#30
TerraMex Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal, Europe Posts: 870	maybe just me, but big shift in direction? usually swiftech blocks go 40$. Very good performace. jumps now to 80$. Is it worth the extra 40$? not complaining, just pointing out. __________________ "we need more cowbell."

07-11-2005, 06:17 PM	#39
Etacovda Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dunedin NZ Posts: 735	ceramique, more than likely. __________________ Hypocritical Signature I tried to delete: Procooling: where scientific principles are ignored because big corporations are immune to mistakes and oversights.

07-01-2005, 07:18 PM	#26
Egon Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 5	That is one seriously beautiful block. Not that I would expect anything less from those that brought the idea from paper to production. Great job all around, and Grats!

07-02-2005, 08:09 AM	#28
ForceOfN4ture Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 2	Awesome work! Compared to the other blocks currently on the market, that thing's just beautiful. Cathar and Swiftech... some team! And now we have a use for these powerful pumps: http://www.swiftnets.com/products/Storm.asp The for-all-intents-and-purposes universal mounting bracket is waaay overdue in the liquidcooling world. Cheers! -BC

07-02-2005, 09:12 AM	#31
Angry_Steel Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Torremolinos, Spain Posts: 76	Considering that it is like 4 pieces all of which have to be machined I imagine thats one reason, that and it is just being released. Doesnt seem to high to me, considering the prices of the 6000 series and such when they were just released.

07-02-2005, 10:34 AM	#32
bobkoure Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: USA - Boston area Posts: 798	Actually, it makes very good sense to have two block "lines" - the 6000 series is a really good contender for in-rack server cooling (particularly if they shorten the output stubs until a speedfit will just fit and supply the block with speedfits and some kind of right-angle connector (my bias would be "sweeps" of thinwall copper - but for the server market an ordinary speedfit push-on elbow would be fine) - along with the mcres (combination reservoir and 350 pump) they should be able to sell strongly into that market. IMHO whatever reservoir they have has to have a level alarm when the coolant goes down, say 50% - preferably hooked up to something like smbus as these servers are usually set up to all report health status back to a central machine. Failing smbus, a simple red LED with bezel and lead. Given that there are only a couple of 2U "layouts" it might also be useful to have pre-made lengths of hard tubing (unless there's some kind of new magic flexible tubing that does not lose water). Of course, then there's the issue of where to put the radiator in a 2U case. The BI micros are 82mm wide, 2U cases are 88mm tall (but on the exterior - so it'll be tight). Maybe something like a radbox but for 80mmx2 rads? Not sure about that one as rack-backs are very crowded places and something like that might not go over at all. Maybe something designed to sit the rad sideways inside the case and blow out an end, driven by a small blower (impeller, really - used to pull air through the rad and expel from the case). Just a thought, of course... 3Us are no harder to fit stuff in than a desktop case. The 6000 is also still the most appropriate block for the "silence" crowd - although this might change depending on the noise level of the new c-systems mag pump and how that pump's output interacts with the 6000 and the Storm. On the other hand, the Storm is pointed at the performance market, where a $40 increment is no big deal (likely a good candidate for the "bling" market as well - although it may need more polarflo-like flutes or chrome or LEDs or something - I'm bling impaired so I'm the wrong person to even think about that market. And maybe the "bling" goes on the 6000(?) - cheaper to produce, even with some kind of push on acetal cover with blinkey LEDs or whatever and maybe priced up near the Storm...) It might make sense to drop the 6002 so there'd be a clear delineation between the two "lines" (1/2 vs 3/8). I dunno...

07-07-2005, 05:06 PM	#34
Jag Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 179	I guesstimate that Swiftech won't sell that many few sku's of the Storm block. Nevertheless, as I said before it's a smart move from Swiftech. The fact that the Storm block and it's "father" have agreed on associating themselves with Swiftech means several things: - confidence in (swiftech) for tailoring and marketing a high performance product - meaning they have the "savoir-fare" to handle and deliver high requisite projects; - image projection boost; - a little "skake" of the market; - there was a certain stupor caused from the sudden absence of Bill from this forum and also the fact that Swiftech's site was from the moment they announced the OTC, well almost void of novelties - even the mcp 655 pump wasn't announced oficially until now after the Storm block, when it was in the shops way before that. - the amount of sku's sold of the Storm block will help demonstrate the confidence that users have on the brand, and that will be a strong selling point for Swiftech. - as for the price, it sure is a deviation from the more standard practice of high performance/low price that more or less identified Swiftech products. Remember that the MCW5000 wasn't a bargain block when compared to the MCW6000. The Storm have different constraints in order to maintain the original product performance and hence the higher price tag.

07-10-2005, 05:00 PM	#35
NorthernYankee Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 5	I took some pics of the block and some internal shots too...pics are here Here are some link to the Hi-Res shots http://home.comcast.net/~northernyankee/storm/Storm.JPG http://home.comcast.net/~northernyan...ccelerator.JPG http://home.comcast.net/~northernyan...celerator2.JPG http://home.comcast.net/~northernyan...Baseplate1.JPG http://home.comcast.net/~northernyan...Baseplate2.JPG http://home.comcast.net/~northernyan...te_closeup.JPG http://home.comcast.net/~northernyan...orm_Bottom.JPG http://home.comcast.net/~northernyan...m_Overhead.JPG http://home.comcast.net/~northernyan...rm_Package.JPG http://home.comcast.net/~northernyan.../Top_Plate.JPG --NY

07-11-2005, 03:46 PM	#38
black_dante Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nyc Posts: 48	what kind of thermal paste is that?

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