G5 Storm + 3500 Venice = 3GHz

Joe Camel · 07-16-2005, 07:14 PM

after lapping

3500 Venice

after some lapping

screw lapping

D4 pump run @ 16V with back off and fan cooling the pump's MOSFETS
BIX II rad with 4x 110CFM 120mm fans

room temps are: 67.3F (19.6C)
stock clocked X850-XT

CPU: 25C @ 1.75v (idle)

CPU: 38C @ 1.75v (load)

still going...

need i say more? :shrug:

MANY MANY pics (big) and LOTS of info in the full threads!!!
i just thought you might like to look @ the highlights

links to full threads:

-G5 / CPU lapping thread: LINK
-Venice IHS removal / OC thread: LINK

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Delirious · 07-16-2005, 09:24 PM

Very nice. Is the cmos battery missing in one of those pics?

I thought the storm blocks were very very flat *runs of to check his*

kaotic504 · 07-16-2005, 09:25 PM

don't know how much good the lapping did you, but man, that's great! 3ghz, wow! great job.

Joe Camel · 07-16-2005, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delirious

Very nice. Is the cmos battery missing in one of those pics?

I thought the storm blocks were very very flat *runs of to check his*

ya, the bat was out for CMOS clearing ... was having A LOT of problems lastnight...check out the "OC" link for more info (thought the CPU was dead...)

storm block bases ARE flat (B4 assembly) but after assembly, mine was not...check out the "lap G5" link for FULL story and LOTS of pics (with PM's from Cathar)

j813 · 07-16-2005, 10:05 PM

This Venice cores seem to OC very well,
here's one on a Thermalright XP-90C CPU Cooler & still have the IHS.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=24047

Hey nice to see somebody who can remove the IHS

Just wondering if a Traditional Copper Heatsink can crush the core.

Cathar · 07-17-2005, 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by j813

This Venice cores seem to OC very well,
here's one on a Thermalright XP-90C CPU Cooler & still have the IHS.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=24047

HUGE difference between 3GHz Prime95TT stable, and a CPU-Z suicide shot at 2833MHz on air.

j813 · 07-17-2005, 05:30 AM

Oh ya didn't asked the guy yet

But at 2790 & 39c temps not sure what the difference w/ the 2800 temps.

I can only imagine if it's naked & on water

Peace

Cathar · 07-17-2005, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by j813

Oh ya didn't asked the guy yet

But at 2790 & 39c temps not sure what the difference w/ the 2800 temps.

I can only imagine if it's naked & on water

Peace

It'd probably reach about the same. Which would be nice to think that ~3GHz stable on good water is an achievable goal.

Joe Camel · 07-17-2005, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cathar

HUGE difference between 3GHz Prime95TT stable, and a CPU-Z suicide shot at 2833MHz on air.

well, this CPU did do 2900 (Prime95TT stable) on a (lapped) XP-90c with 92mm tornado....290x10 1:1 with TCC5 mem, but @ 1.65v it was hitting 46C load temps....

LINK to SS of above settings

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Cathar · 07-17-2005, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Camel

well, this CPU did do 2900 (Prime95TT stable) on a (lapped) XP-90c with 92mm tornado....290x10 1:1 with TCC5 mem, but @ 1.65v it was hitting 46C load temps....

LINK

Wow - that is an impressive CPU.

Tempus · 07-18-2005, 07:29 AM

290 1:1 - jeeze. What memory timings were you using??

Joe Camel · 07-18-2005, 07:31 AM

TCC5 based OCZ PC5000 "DFI Special" (2.5,4,3,7)

(was @ T-1 too

)

see link for more info...

Delirious · 07-18-2005, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Camel

ya, the bat was out for CMOS clearing ... was having A LOT of problems lastnight...check out the "OC" link for more info (thought the CPU was dead...)

storm block bases ARE flat (B4 assembly) but after assembly, mine was not...check out the "lap G5" link for FULL story and LOTS of pics (with PM's from Cathar)

Dont want to get off topic, but i have a g4 do these warp as well, mine seems to be a little.

Joe Camel · 07-19-2005, 05:20 PM

i just checked mine (one of the first shipped out: not a stepped base)

its a little bowed (along the "long" axis) but NOTHING like the G5 in the pic (which was bowed on the "short" axis).

cant say if thats due to the base not being stepped or the copper being stronger or .... :shrug:

as Cathar has stated B4, the bases were FLAT B4 assembly, there are too many factors to take into account to "know" if the base will be flat after assembly.

Cathar · 07-19-2005, 06:08 PM

Yah, there's an issue with the O-ring compression. Have since addressed it. Actually I thought that I had addressed it before, but it seems that the machinists messed up, I had to get all the O-ring channels re-machined, and then they messed that up too, giving the warping issue.

Have submitted them revised plans, with different O-rings, and specified an O-ring channel size and have told them to follow it to the letter and that I'll deal with the consequences myself of if it is wrong, rather than having them second-guess me again.

The issue is variable in nature. It would seem that Joe Camel got the worst of it, but with these new plans, it should be a thing of the past, or at least reduced to total insignificance.

j813 · 07-19-2005, 10:17 PM

Stew is Swiftech the only one that will Manufacturer the Storm or you still make & sell your own version? Will Swiftech also make G5s?

Styyn · 07-19-2005, 10:53 PM

Cathar, my G5 has the same flexing that Joe has (had?). You seem to have found a workaround for future G5's and I'm wondering if any part of that solution could apply to the first batch.

I'm very, very hesitant to take my block to sandpaper. I'm not worried about my ability to get it flat in its currently assembled form. However, I am worried that if I ever had to disassemble the block in the future it would be nearly impossible to reassemble it with exactly the same pressure on each screw, necessitating another nerve-wracking silver lapjob. From there I'm off to the races with regards to true flat and perpendicularity as I compound one lapjob onto another.

If there's nothing short of a re-run that can fix it, I'll go ahead and lap it myself, but I guess I'd like to make absolutely certain I've exhausted all other options before going that route

Cathar · 07-20-2005, 12:26 AM

Not something that is going to be easily fixed at all on existing block, sorry Styyn.

Don't worry when lapping the silver. The base-plate is fairly thick and you're not going to wear it away in a hurry.

I would suggest, first, mounting the block and deciding if you're unhappy. The warpage is still well within what thermal pastes are specified as handling. Joe Camel is just highlighting his hunt for working out the last bit.

I've checked, lapped, checked, dis/reassembled, and checked again one of the spare blocks here and once lapped when re-assembled it remains fairly true. Am unsure how much is due to the O-rings, and how much is perhaps due to subtle warpage in the middle plate due to heat from machining.

Future blocks will also feature bracing posts that hang down from the middle plate and brace the top of the base-plate to address the issue a little more completely.

mad mikee · 07-20-2005, 07:46 AM

Doesn't everyone lap their base and CPU (after removing the IHS)

w/ .6micron grit for a mirror finish (sorry this comes so naturally that I didn't take pics) Takes me about an hour, on my slat of leftover granite countertop and a flat piece of glass, 400/600/1000/2000 / .6u and the final secret - a couple a dabs of AS ceramique and so Alcohol on a tissue for the 'mirror finish'

Joe Camel · 07-21-2005, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cathar

-snip-
I've checked, lapped, checked, dis/reassembled, and checked again one of the spare blocks here and once lapped when re-assembled it remains fairly true.
-snip-

same here

here is a pic of the base itself AFTER lapping:
quite convex!!

but after RE assembly, i checked and was satisfied with its flatness (again)

real easy: the harder you tighten, the more it bows.
reassemble @ about the same tightness as when you lapped it and it *should* be good.

or just dont screw with it after you lapped it

EDIT:
thought this might be a good place to post this (sorta)

this is a pic of my D-Tek WW as i found it after sitting on a shelf for about 1 year (not in use, just sitting there with the "Y" & tubes on it...)

DELRIN will NEVER do that

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07-16-2005, 07:14 PM	#1
Joe Camel Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: ohio Posts: 51	G5 Storm + 3500 Venice = 3GHz after lapping 3500 Venice after some lapping screw lapping D4 pump run @ 16V with back off and fan cooling the pump's MOSFETS BIX II rad with 4x 110CFM 120mm fans room temps are: 67.3F (19.6C) stock clocked X850-XT CPU: 25C @ 1.75v (idle) CPU: 38C @ 1.75v (load) still going... need i say more? :shrug: MANY MANY pics (big) and LOTS of info in the full threads!!! i just thought you might like to look @ the highlights links to full threads: -G5 / CPU lapping thread: LINK -Venice IHS removal / OC thread: LINK . __________________ JoeCamel is F@H for ....A CURE!! (40+ GHz) A64 Phase cooled: FX-55 @ 3204MHz (267x12) - MSI Neo2 - MachII - OCZ DDR Booster & VX @ 3.6V , 267 @ 2,2,2,5 1:1 - x800 XT-PE @ 665/608 - DD Maze4 with 172w TEC 14V TEC PSU - 500W X-Connect PSU A64 Water cooled: 3500 Venice @ 3000MHz (300x10) - DFI LP Ultra-D - Storm G5, D4 pump @ 16V, BIXII, 4x100+ CFM fans - OCZ VX @ 3.6V , 300 5:6 = 250 @ 2,2,2,6 - x850 XT @ 600/630 - socket A HSF & 80mm Tornado , copper mem sinks - OCZ 600W PSU Last edited by Joe Camel; 07-16-2005 at 08:23 PM.

07-16-2005, 10:05 PM	#5
j813 Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: southeast asia Posts: 164	This Venice cores seem to OC very well, here's one on a Thermalright XP-90C CPU Cooler & still have the IHS. http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=24047 Hey nice to see somebody who can remove the IHS Just wondering if a Traditional Copper Heatsink can crush the core. Last edited by j813; 07-16-2005 at 10:23 PM. Reason: edit pic & url

07-18-2005, 07:29 AM	#11
Tempus Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 456	290 1:1 - jeeze. What memory timings were you using?? __________________ Thou art God.

07-18-2005, 07:31 AM	#12
Joe Camel Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: ohio Posts: 51	TCC5 based OCZ PC5000 "DFI Special" (2.5,4,3,7) (was @ T-1 too ) see link for more info... __________________ JoeCamel is F@H for ....A CURE!! (40+ GHz) A64 Phase cooled: FX-55 @ 3204MHz (267x12) - MSI Neo2 - MachII - OCZ DDR Booster & VX @ 3.6V , 267 @ 2,2,2,5 1:1 - x800 XT-PE @ 665/608 - DD Maze4 with 172w TEC 14V TEC PSU - 500W X-Connect PSU A64 Water cooled: 3500 Venice @ 3000MHz (300x10) - DFI LP Ultra-D - Storm G5, D4 pump @ 16V, BIXII, 4x100+ CFM fans - OCZ VX @ 3.6V , 300 5:6 = 250 @ 2,2,2,6 - x850 XT @ 600/630 - socket A HSF & 80mm Tornado , copper mem sinks - OCZ 600W PSU Last edited by Joe Camel; 07-18-2005 at 08:14 AM.

07-19-2005, 05:20 PM	#14
Joe Camel Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: ohio Posts: 51	i just checked mine (one of the first shipped out: not a stepped base) its a little bowed (along the "long" axis) but NOTHING like the G5 in the pic (which was bowed on the "short" axis). cant say if thats due to the base not being stepped or the copper being stronger or .... :shrug: as Cathar has stated B4, the bases were FLAT B4 assembly, there are too many factors to take into account to "know" if the base will be flat after assembly. __________________ JoeCamel is F@H for ....A CURE!! (40+ GHz) A64 Phase cooled: FX-55 @ 3204MHz (267x12) - MSI Neo2 - MachII - OCZ DDR Booster & VX @ 3.6V , 267 @ 2,2,2,5 1:1 - x800 XT-PE @ 665/608 - DD Maze4 with 172w TEC 14V TEC PSU - 500W X-Connect PSU A64 Water cooled: 3500 Venice @ 3000MHz (300x10) - DFI LP Ultra-D - Storm G5, D4 pump @ 16V, BIXII, 4x100+ CFM fans - OCZ VX @ 3.6V , 300 5:6 = 250 @ 2,2,2,6 - x850 XT @ 600/630 - socket A HSF & 80mm Tornado , copper mem sinks - OCZ 600W PSU

07-16-2005, 09:24 PM	#2
Delirious Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Twilight Zone Posts: 152	Very nice. Is the cmos battery missing in one of those pics? I thought the storm blocks were very very flat runs of to check his

07-16-2005, 09:25 PM	#3
kaotic504 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Orleans Posts: 86	don't know how much good the lapping did you, but man, that's great! 3ghz, wow! great job.

07-19-2005, 06:08 PM	#15
Cathar Thermophile Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,538	Yah, there's an issue with the O-ring compression. Have since addressed it. Actually I thought that I had addressed it before, but it seems that the machinists messed up, I had to get all the O-ring channels re-machined, and then they messed that up too, giving the warping issue. Have submitted them revised plans, with different O-rings, and specified an O-ring channel size and have told them to follow it to the letter and that I'll deal with the consequences myself of if it is wrong, rather than having them second-guess me again. The issue is variable in nature. It would seem that Joe Camel got the worst of it, but with these new plans, it should be a thing of the past, or at least reduced to total insignificance.

07-19-2005, 10:17 PM	#16
j813 Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: southeast asia Posts: 164	Stew is Swiftech the only one that will Manufacturer the Storm or you still make & sell your own version? Will Swiftech also make G5s?

07-19-2005, 10:53 PM	#17
Styyn Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 8	Cathar, my G5 has the same flexing that Joe has (had?). You seem to have found a workaround for future G5's and I'm wondering if any part of that solution could apply to the first batch. I'm very, very hesitant to take my block to sandpaper. I'm not worried about my ability to get it flat in its currently assembled form. However, I am worried that if I ever had to disassemble the block in the future it would be nearly impossible to reassemble it with exactly the same pressure on each screw, necessitating another nerve-wracking silver lapjob. From there I'm off to the races with regards to true flat and perpendicularity as I compound one lapjob onto another. If there's nothing short of a re-run that can fix it, I'll go ahead and lap it myself, but I guess I'd like to make absolutely certain I've exhausted all other options before going that route

07-20-2005, 12:26 AM	#18
Cathar Thermophile Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,538	Not something that is going to be easily fixed at all on existing block, sorry Styyn. Don't worry when lapping the silver. The base-plate is fairly thick and you're not going to wear it away in a hurry. I would suggest, first, mounting the block and deciding if you're unhappy. The warpage is still well within what thermal pastes are specified as handling. Joe Camel is just highlighting his hunt for working out the last bit. I've checked, lapped, checked, dis/reassembled, and checked again one of the spare blocks here and once lapped when re-assembled it remains fairly true. Am unsure how much is due to the O-rings, and how much is perhaps due to subtle warpage in the middle plate due to heat from machining. Future blocks will also feature bracing posts that hang down from the middle plate and brace the top of the base-plate to address the issue a little more completely.

07-20-2005, 07:46 AM	#19
mad mikee Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: US of A!!!! Posts: 146	Lapping Doesn't everyone lap their base and CPU (after removing the IHS) w/ .6micron grit for a mirror finish (sorry this comes so naturally that I didn't take pics) Takes me about an hour, on my slat of leftover granite countertop and a flat piece of glass, 400/600/1000/2000 / .6u and the final secret - a couple a dabs of AS ceramique and so Alcohol on a tissue for the 'mirror finish' __________________ His PCV2000 DFI ULTRA D (SLI Modded just because) 4200 x2 @ ~ 10 x 260 /1.49 Vcore , G5 + PA160 + 150mm Papst@5V + Maze 4 GPU + mcp350. Temp 36-37(load-2 x D20L) 2x1GB Ballistix PC4000, x800xl 256m, 74G rap + 160G Hitachi SATA , 21" mit/nec 1920x1440 Crt + 19 Neovo F-419 1280x1024 LCD, OCZ Powerstream 600 Hers: (my beloved who lets me do all this) LianLi PCV1000, SD3700 @ 9x300, 1GB GBLA, 250+ 120 SATA, X700pro, 19" Neovo F-419 LCD, another OCZ 600

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