Guardian Snap Server Upgrading

[Phoenix32]

[blue68f100]

Should we notify eBay that there selling intelectual property rights. And have the drives pulled. It's actually the responsibility of the seller not the buyer.

But if they mixed the set, had snap shots running and or AV you may be SOL.

[bitor]

In my opinion I'd not say anything. This could cause side effects and could be negative to those buying Snap servers. Let's just stick with policing this forum and let others police there own. That's the best thing I believe.
Just my 1 cent worth of thought.

bitor

Originally Posted by blue68f100

Should we notify eBay that there selling intelectual property rights. And have the drives pulled. It's actually the responsibility of the seller not the buyer.

But if they mixed the set, had snap shots running and or AV you may be SOL.

[blue68f100]

2 of the links were servers which I did not now at the time. Next time I will look at all of the links.

So there are some Complete Guardian OS units/with drives and OS on eBay for those who are interested.

[bitor]

Yeah, I saw the "Complete Guardian OS units/with drives" on ebay. Looks like Phoenix32 is dumping a few. I guess he is going for a bigger/better model. I also saw two just tonight for around $500. Still out of my price range :0(

bitor

[Phoenix32]

Originally Posted by bitor

Yeah, I saw the "Complete Guardian OS units/with drives" on ebay. Looks like Phoenix32 is dumping a few. I guess he is going for a bigger/better model. I also saw two just tonight for around $500. Still out of my price range :0(

bitor

Not exactly. Right now, I have, 2 x 4500 with 2TB, 1 x 4500 with 1TB, 3 x 4400 with 2 TB, and 3 x 4400 with 1 TB. That is 9 Guardian Snap Servers with 14 TB! I am not going to a "better" unit, I just have way more than I want or need. Besides, define "better" unit. I think the 4400, 4200, 4500, 15000 family were the best Snap Appliance/Adaptec ever did.

Oh yeah, and I also recently sold my 15000 and 2 x 4500 (all three with 2TB). I am just thinning the herd, that's all.


Oh yeah, btw. I am sure you did not intend to undermine me there, but just to make sure people don't think I am being greedy;

You said you just saw two for about $500. Please keep in mind, I would bet just about anything they have hard drives and/or drive sleds missing, or they have old drives, etc... -AND- you can bet your front teeth at those prices the memory has not been upgraded and the OS is an older version.

Why is that important? I am glad you asked.

Because what good is a snap server if you can't rely on the drives without fear? Most of these units are well over 3 years old and have the original hard disks in them, if at all. Those drives are due for failure any time.

And, quality Registered ECC memory is not cheap, but makes a big difference in these more powereful units.

Plus lastly, if you want to be compatible with Windows XP and/or Win2K03, much less anything newer, you need at least OS version 4.2.054, and I would still recommend 4.4.049. And, for Vista, OS X newer versions, and newer Windows Server versions, you must have OS 4.4.049. After all the conversation on this forum, I am sure by now everyone knows how expensive the OS upgrades are.

FYI, Western Digital RE (RAID Edition) drives are by far the very best drives you can put into these units, and I am 100% sure David and anyone in the know would agree. But, those drives come at a price. Unless you can buy them in large bulk, or find a very awesome deal, the WD RE 250 GB drives are like $90 plus shipping, each, or more.

I am not sure if you meant $500 each, or $500 for two, so I will just say $250 for one. Which I might add is a very damn good price for a fully working unit (no sleds or anythng else missing and operational).

So let's take that $250 unit, add in $50 to $75 in memory, put in $375 worth of drives, and pay $600 for the OS upgrade. That comes to $1275 once you're done. And this is all assuming there is nothing wrong with or missing from that $250 unit (and I would not bet on it at that price).

Kind of makes the prices I am aksing for those units seem smaller, don't it?

Again Bitor, I don't think you meant it that way, but I would guess a few people reading it took it that way, so I needed to clarify. I am charging as little for those units as I am able, and they are very good working units.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SNAP-APPLIANCE-S...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/QUANTUM-SNAP-APP...QQcmdZViewItem

Or, just go to eBay, Computers and Networking, and do a Search for "Snap Appliance"


P.S. I wasn't going to post them again, but after having to explain, I figured I might as well.

P.S.S. BTW Bitor, I got a little secret for you, so don't tell anyone. I was planning on, that when the first of those items I have up for sale gets a bid, I am going to end the auction and sell to that buyer. Meaning they will essentially get a buy-it-now for the starting price. But I did not put that in my auctions, I wanted it to be a nice surprise for someone. So Shhhh, don't tell anyone. And it will ONLY be for the first one of those items to get a bid. I am only telling you because I know you have been wanting one for a long time, along with a number of people here on the forum (as well as the drives I can't talk about). But that has been my plan.

[bitor]

hahah, you are funny Phoenix32(In a good way).

1.) Better meaning better then what you have. If you have the best then it doesn't not apply.
2.)No intention of undermining anything. That was not even on my mind. Just merely pointing out that I could not even afford the other 2 that are around $500 each let alone yours for more.
3.) The 2 are around $500 each and they probably do have old hard drives in them. If I had the money without a doubt I would buy from you then anybody else. But that is a moot point.
4.) When I can afford it,Where on god's green earth are you able to buy Western Digital RE for approx. $90 + S/H? Please supply me with this link for future purchasing. I think that is a pretty good deal.
5.)And all the other stuff about OS,HD,RAM, you are correct. But for what I can afford I have to come to the conclusion that my unit will have to be one that I have to upgrade and/or accept the way it is because of purchase cost on ebay or some other place. Mind you it must have basic things for me to buy it. Such as, old(HD) or not as much RAM etc...BUT MUST HAVE ALL SLEDS and at least one HD with the old OS on it. (I learned that from you :0))
6.) And I know your profit margin is not very high. I get that feeling by what you say. And you are entitled to make a profit. I'm just thankful that you are not a greedy profit taking person. Which is a nice change of pace in life.
7.)And I thank you very much for the little known information about the "buy it now" surprise. Unfortunitly, I will not be able to take advantage of this great offer. But I do thank you for the heads up.

All in all, I would recommend your servers for sale over all others. Even the makers. Because at least you test and retest and have a attention to details which is very important. And if it's not correct you fix it. And you also give tech support. And let's not forget David who is just as important to this forum too.

Best regards,
bitor

P.S. I am not a word smith so please do not read to deeply in to this. Just try to take it at face value. My intentions are good and not bad.

Thanks

Originally Posted by Phoenix32

Not exactly. Right now, I have, 2 x 4500 with 2TB, 1 x 4500 with 1TB, 3 x 4400 with 2 TB, and 3 x 4400 with 1 TB. That is 9 Guardian Snap Servers with 14 TB! I am not going to a "better" unit, I just have way more than I want or need. Besides, define "better" unit. I think the 4400, 4200, 4500, 15000 family were the best Snap Appliance/Adaptec ever did.

Oh yeah, and I also recently sold my 15000 and 2 x 4500 (all three with 2TB). I am just thinning the herd, that's all.


Oh yeah, btw. I am sure you did not intend to undermine me there, but just to make sure people don't think I am being greedy;

You said you just saw two for about $500. Please keep in mind, I would bet just about anything they have hard drives and/or drive sleds missing, or they have old drives, etc... -AND- you can bet your front teeth at those prices the memory has not been upgraded and the OS is an older version.

Why is that important? I am glad you asked.

Because what good is a snap server if you can't rely on the drives without fear? Most of these units are well over 3 years old and have the original hard disks in them, if at all. Those drives are due for failure any time.

And, quality Registered ECC memory is not cheap, but makes a big difference in these more powereful units.

Plus lastly, if you want to be compatible with Windows XP and/or Win2K03, much less anything newer, you need at least OS version 4.2.054, and I would still recommend 4.4.049. And, for Vista, OS X newer versions, and newer Windows Server versions, you must have OS 4.4.049. After all the conversation on this forum, I am sure by now everyone knows how expensive the OS upgrades are.

FYI, Western Digital RE (RAID Edition) drives are by far the very best drives you can put into these units, and I am 100% sure David and anyone in the know would agree. But, those drives come at a price. Unless you can buy them in large bulk, or find a very awesome deal, the WD RE 250 GB drives are like $90 plus shipping, each, or more.

I am not sure if you meant $500 each, or $500 for two, so I will just say $250 for one. Which I might add is a very damn good price for a fully working unit (no sleds or anythng else missing and operational).

So let's take that $250 unit, add in $50 to $75 in memory, put in $375 worth of drives, and pay $600 for the OS upgrade. That comes to $1275 once you're done. And this is all assuming there is nothing wrong with or missing from that $250 unit (and I would not bet on it at that price).

Kind of makes the prices I am aksing for those units seem smaller, don't it?

Again Bitor, I don't think you meant it that way, but I would guess a few people reading it took it that way, so I needed to clarify. I am charging as little for those units as I am able, and they are very good working units.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SNAP-APPLIANCE-S...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/QUANTUM-SNAP-APP...QQcmdZViewItem

Or, just go to eBay, Computers and Networking, and do a Search for "Snap Appliance"


P.S. I wasn't going to post them again, but after having to explain, I figured I might as well.

P.S.S. BTW Bitor, I got a little secret for you, so don't tell anyone. I was planning on, that when the first of those items I have up for sale gets a bid, I am going to end the auction and sell to that buyer. Meaning they will essentially get a buy-it-now for the starting price. But I did not put that in my auctions, I wanted it to be a nice surprise for someone. So Shhhh, don't tell anyone. And it will ONLY be for the first one of those items to get a bid. I am only telling you because I know you have been wanting one for a long time, along with a number of people here on the forum (as well as the drives I can't talk about). But that has been my plan.

[Phoenix32]

Why thank you, I try to keep spirits up when I can...

1) Well, I am not so sure I have the best either. A 15000 with 4 x 750 GB is the very best IMHO. I sold my 15000. I use 4500's and 4400's with 4 x 500 GB for my personal use. It's all I need for my uses (overkill in fact).

2) Ha ha ha. I knew that. I just didn't want anyone else reading into it wrong.

3) If they are the units I think they are (in Seattle, WA), then look even closer. They don't even have the OS installed (drives wiped). You know what kind of problems that will bring with it, big time.

4) LOL, I bought in bulk (28 drives). I would have to look around, but the last decent deal I saw on them was $92/ea plus shipping if I remember right. But they are worth every penny IMO.

5) Yeah, you and everyone else (supply and demand). Send me a PM and tell me what you can afford and I will look around for you. Don't BS me either. It's a lot of work.

6) Profit margin? Ha! What's that? For me the only profit is the feeling I get from doing it and the therapy I get from keeping busy with it (I suffer from PTSD). I will admit, doing the work is how I have been able to upgrade over time (but it took a lot of work, risk, and time). I have all of what I want/need these days, so it is all therapy now.

7) Too late. Someone bought one of the items already (earlier today). My stuff quite often does not make it to the end of the auctions due to people using the buy-it-now option on my stuff.

All in all, thank you very much for the compliments, I appreciate it and feel humbled by them. I do my best. I am not perfect, but I do try hard. And I know your intentions are good, no harm felt here from you.

[Phoenix32]

Sorry Bitor, but as I said before;

Originally Posted by Phoenix32

My stuff quite often does not make it to the end of the auctions due to people using the buy-it-now option on my stuff.

All three have sold with the buy-it-now options (all in 4 days). But don't worry, I have another one I am not finished with yet that will go up soon.

[Phoenix32]

Okay Bitor, as promised, here is your second chance...

NVM, all gone...

[Phoenix32]

But here are some more...


http://cgi.ebay.com/QUANTUM-SNAP-APP...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/SNAP-APPLIANCE-S...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/SNAP-APPLIANCE-S...QQcmdZViewItem