Anyone seen a similar design as this block? - Page 3

Brad · 03-28-2002, 04:41 PM

Jaydee, you know where to add another inlet

I'd be very interested to see the performance differance, 13C over ambient isn't too good compared to some of your previous blocks is it?

fix, feel like emailing me that bmp? _otama_@_ihug_.co.nz (ignore the ___'s, we all know why they are there

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Fixittt · 03-28-2002, 05:30 PM

why are they there?

jaydee · 03-28-2002, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad
Jaydee, you know where to add another inlet I'd be very interested to see the performance differance, 13C over ambient isn't too good compared to some of your previous blocks is it?

Actually it isjust a few degrees C warmer than my best ones. I ususally get about 5-8C over water temp and 8-11C over room temp. The temps HAVE changed over night though. All the air is out of the system and everything has settled in and the temp dropped 1C to 12C over room temp. It is 26C in here now and the CPU is 38C load. Actually not to bad. i need to hook up the water temp probe again though. I have it siliconed into a T right now for 1/2" hose setup and my hose for this block is 3/8".

Once I get finised with my Spiral this weekend and it works I will take the mill apart and replace whatever I need to to make it stop vibrating and then i can continue to finish all the blocks I have started. Only water block #1 and 2 are finished blocks. The rest need work.

EMC2 · 03-28-2002, 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by jaydee116
My goal for my spiral was to fit on boards that do not have mounting holes now or in the future.

Just an FYI for you JD - even though they have removed the requirement for the holes in the motherboard, they left the component height restriction areas exactly as they were (as of 3/27/02 rev of their documentation) - meaning that the area available for the outer dimensions of the blocks has remained the same

jaydee · 03-28-2002, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EMC2

Just an FYI for you JD - even though they have removed the requirement for the holes in the motherboard, they left the component height restriction areas exactly as they were (as of 3/27/02 rev of their documentation) - meaning that the area available for the outer dimensions of the blocks has remained the same

How do you attach a clip if the block covers the socket hooks and then some?

Fixittt · 03-28-2002, 08:36 PM

Ohh that is EASY!

EMC2 · 03-28-2002, 08:43 PM

The bits for clip attachment are on the other 2 sides

Looking at the top of the socket it's sorta like this -

..H..
C...C
..H..

where the Cs are the sides for clip attachment and the Hs are the sides where the holes use to be. So you can make them just as wide as before along the H-to-H dimension. You weren't ever suppose to go past the clip attachment points in the C-to-C dimension, even with the holes.

If you want the actual pic, download this document and go to page 12. It's exactly the same as before, except the holes are missing from the top and bottom outside areas.

Fixittt · 03-28-2002, 09:10 PM

make a v shapped bracket that will grab all the socket lugs. Then have it span over the whole size of the block. Maybe bolt to the block. Equal on both sides. this will distribute the force evenly.

or summin

jaydee · 03-28-2002, 09:27 PM

*Beats Head off Wall*

Wasn't thinking to well tonight. Long day at work. For some stupid reason I was picturing the block covering the clip hooks on the socket. I see it is the other way around.

One question though that i have been pondering is how wide is to wide before it dosn't matter anymore. The core of the CPU is only so big. So if you go way past it on both sides where is the limit to where it stops helping? Did that make sence?

EMC2 · 03-28-2002, 09:33 PM

BTW -

Fixitt (or anyone else reading this) - do you have much experience with/knowledge about small diameter (4" or less) saws that can a) cut copper well b) do precise, repeatable placement cuts (even if done via a jig) c) can use very thin blades (preferably different thicknesses) and d) don't cost two arms and a leg?

Additional qualifiers - cutting depths of 1" maximum needed, complete clearance of the body of the saw from the face being cut, and precise depth control of the cuts (again, jig use acceptable).

Oh, and not a Dremel either

EMC2 · 03-28-2002, 09:39 PM

JD - that completely depends on the block design, but the short answer is you won't reach that point in the space allocated by AMD.

That said, the bigger the block the heavier it is, but in the case of your aluminum blocks, nbd. Two of the things that extra space can be useful for is the placement of the exit fitting(s) and holes for cold plates in the case of peltier use.

jaydee · 03-28-2002, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EMC2
JD - that completely depends on the block design, but the short answer is you won't reach that point in the space allocated by AMD. That said, the bigger the block the heavier it is, but in the case of your aluminum blocks, nbd. Two of the things that extra space can be useful for is the placement of the exit fitting(s) and holes for cold plates in the case of peltier use.

I can touch all 4 sides of my blocks and they are cool, Just wondering where the point is that it starts becoming warm so I can use as little material as possible and still get decent performance.

The spiral I have planed will have a lot of extra space on the sides because of the circular pattern and only a 2" wide peice of metal. It will be very similar to the 1/4" Gemini Spiral size wise. I was thinking about doing just like they did with the mounting holes in the lexan top plate, but it will not be that much more to just use a regular size block and use it for the mounting holes aswell.

Fixitt sent me a kickass looking block design. I bet that would sell like mad if he ever made it!!!

Another question is the Center inlet really all that much better? I know the circular block I did it made a huge difference but I am not so shure about other blocks.

Bahh!!! To many things to figure out!!!

Joe · 03-28-2002, 09:56 PM

You know that post you just did Jaydee was the 22,000th post on the forum?

just FYI

Fixittt · 03-28-2002, 10:09 PM

yeah JD, I think it would be kick ass, Ill see about getting the cad work done on it and machining it in aluinum. I think that with the 3 fittings BRAD would go ape sh!t over it.

DONT SHOW IT!!!!

FYEO
for your eyes only!

jaydee · 03-28-2002, 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by Joe
You know that post you just did Jaydee was the 22,000th post on the forum?

just FYI

SWEET!!! I knew I was good for something around here!!!

It was also my 600th post!!!

I am keeping it to myself Fixittt, that is way to good to spread around. Hell, my heart stopped for a second when I seen that.

Fixittt · 03-28-2002, 10:39 PM

JD, I just thought of something, Do U know what kind of a tease this has to be to people who do not know yet.

MAN I LOVE IT!!! LOLOL

jaydee · 03-28-2002, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fixittt
JD, I just thought of something, Do U know what kind of a tease this has to be to people who do not know yet.

MAN I LOVE IT!!! LOLOL

Well you just suprized me again with "you know what". That thing is also awsome. Your coming up with all kinds of cool stuff. I will keep it quit, but let me know when you are ready to release that beast. I will post it on the website and a few other forums.

If people only knew what is coming!!!

Muhahahahah

Fixittt · 03-28-2002, 10:55 PM

with that, the pic of the drawing I emailed you and the "Pump block" I should be busy for 50 years!

jaydee · 03-28-2002, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fixittt
with that, the pic of the drawing I emailed you and the "Pump block" I should be busy for 50 years!

Yeah, you got plenty to do.

I need to settle down and "finish" some of my current blocks. I keep getting new ideas and leaving the other ones sitting on the table. They all work about the same exept the circular one. That one has me semi exited as to its future. It did really well. After I do this Spiral that curiosity of actually having one in my hands will finally go away and I can work on my other blocks.

Still not sure WTF is up with the version of ACAD2000 I got. Right when you start insatalling it it stopps and pops up a box saying it is incompatible with this OS and only supports 98 and NT.

I must have got an early version of it is all I can figure.

Brad · 03-28-2002, 11:30 PM

fix, to stop spam, I'm getting too much right now.

as for the other block design, I'm sure one of you will email it to me

Fixittt · 03-29-2002, 10:56 AM

Me SPAM???????? well ok, maybe a little, sorry.

but hey, im haing fun right, and that is all that matters.

Brad · 03-29-2002, 02:24 PM

you obviously have no idea about what I was meaning :P

I mean I am getting too much spam to my email account right now, and a way to fix it is to not put your email out on the web

Fixittt · 03-29-2002, 05:00 PM

Ok I understand now Brad. DUH, Blonde moment. So I am Still spamming the forum HEHEHEHE

Brad · 03-29-2002, 07:54 PM

so, hurry up and send it :P

03-28-2002, 04:41 PM	#51
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	Jaydee, you know where to add another inlet I'd be very interested to see the performance differance, 13C over ambient isn't too good compared to some of your previous blocks is it? fix, feel like emailing me that bmp? _otama_@_ihug_.co.nz (ignore the ___'s, we all know why they are there ) __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

03-28-2002, 05:30 PM	#52
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	why are they there? __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-28-2002, 08:36 PM	#56
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	Ohh that is EASY! __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-28-2002, 09:10 PM	#58
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	make a v shapped bracket that will grab all the socket lugs. Then have it span over the whole size of the block. Maybe bolt to the block. Equal on both sides. this will distribute the force evenly. or summin __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-28-2002, 09:56 PM	#63
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	You know that post you just did Jaydee was the 22,000th post on the forum? just FYI __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

03-28-2002, 08:43 PM	#57
EMC2 Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dark Side of the Moon Posts: 365	The bits for clip attachment are on the other 2 sides Looking at the top of the socket it's sorta like this - ..H.. C...C ..H.. where the Cs are the sides for clip attachment and the Hs are the sides where the holes use to be. So you can make them just as wide as before along the H-to-H dimension. You weren't ever suppose to go past the clip attachment points in the C-to-C dimension, even with the holes. If you want the actual pic, download this document and go to page 12. It's exactly the same as before, except the holes are missing from the top and bottom outside areas.

03-28-2002, 09:27 PM	#59
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Beats Head off Wall Wasn't thinking to well tonight. Long day at work. For some stupid reason I was picturing the block covering the clip hooks on the socket. I see it is the other way around. One question though that i have been pondering is how wide is to wide before it dosn't matter anymore. The core of the CPU is only so big. So if you go way past it on both sides where is the limit to where it stops helping? Did that make sence?

03-28-2002, 09:33 PM	#60
EMC2 Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dark Side of the Moon Posts: 365	BTW - Fixitt (or anyone else reading this) - do you have much experience with/knowledge about small diameter (4" or less) saws that can a) cut copper well b) do precise, repeatable placement cuts (even if done via a jig) c) can use very thin blades (preferably different thicknesses) and d) don't cost two arms and a leg? Additional qualifiers - cutting depths of 1" maximum needed, complete clearance of the body of the saw from the face being cut, and precise depth control of the cuts (again, jig use acceptable). Oh, and not a Dremel either

03-28-2002, 09:39 PM	#61
EMC2 Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dark Side of the Moon Posts: 365	JD - that completely depends on the block design, but the short answer is you won't reach that point in the space allocated by AMD. That said, the bigger the block the heavier it is, but in the case of your aluminum blocks, nbd. Two of the things that extra space can be useful for is the placement of the exit fitting(s) and holes for cold plates in the case of peltier use.

03-28-2002, 10:09 PM	#64
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	yeah JD, I think it would be kick ass, Ill see about getting the cad work done on it and machining it in aluinum. I think that with the 3 fittings BRAD would go ape sh!t over it. DONT SHOW IT!!!! FYEO for your eyes only! __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-28-2002, 10:39 PM	#66
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	JD, I just thought of something, Do U know what kind of a tease this has to be to people who do not know yet. MAN I LOVE IT!!! LOLOL __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-28-2002, 10:55 PM	#68
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	with that, the pic of the drawing I emailed you and the "Pump block" I should be busy for 50 years! __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-28-2002, 11:30 PM	#70
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	fix, to stop spam, I'm getting too much right now. as for the other block design, I'm sure one of you will email it to me __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

03-29-2002, 10:56 AM	#71
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	Me SPAM???????? well ok, maybe a little, sorry. but hey, im haing fun right, and that is all that matters. __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-29-2002, 02:24 PM	#72
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	you obviously have no idea about what I was meaning :P I mean I am getting too much spam to my email account right now, and a way to fix it is to not put your email out on the web __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

03-29-2002, 05:00 PM	#73
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	Ok I understand now Brad. DUH, Blonde moment. So I am Still spamming the forum HEHEHEHE __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

03-29-2002, 07:54 PM	#74
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	so, hurry up and send it :P __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

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