Lil Water Cooling Comparison!

tofu2go · 06-01-2002, 12:10 PM

Which water cooling kit will give me the best performance:

1
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Black Edge Copper Waterjacket
*Lexan Clamp Hold Down
*Black Ice Pro
*MasterKlear 3/8" Tubing, 5ft.
*120 x 38mm, 86cfm, 36dB HydroWave bearing quiet fan.
*PowderCoated Black Reservoir with Minijet 404 pump (not yet updated). 120 volt only.

Price @ $119+ USD

or

2
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*MAZE3 AMD Block
*3/8" OD Fittings
*Black Ice Prime (has 3/8 OD Fittings)
*heim 1048 or 1250 Pump (They are 110V)
*7' of Tubing (This is ID Tubing of 3/8" or 1/2" with 1/8" walls)
*Arctic Silver 3
*4oz Water Wetter
*ose Clamps and Tee
^do I need a resevor for this kit, or cna the ehem do without it?

Price @$175+ USD

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I'm thinking of getting the cheaper Aqua Stealth, but is it poor quality? I don't want to pay too much for a water cooling kit. + what kind of temperatures would I get from either kits? :/

ambient · 06-01-2002, 01:08 PM

#2 by far. and you don't need a res, but more coolant = better.

tofu2go · 06-01-2002, 01:19 PM

when you talk coolant, do you mean water wetters and anti-freeze?

tofu2go · 06-01-2002, 01:31 PM

Z4 Water Cooling Kit Priced @ $175

*Supports AMD Socket A Processors: Duron, XP, Thunderbird
*500GPH 12V DC Pump with standard 4pin Molex Connector
*100% Aluminum anodized, CNC milled construction
*Reservoir is 4.5 inches in diameter by 2.5 inches tall
*1/4" thick walls
*1/2" outer diameter (OD) anodized hose barbs for corrosion *protection. 3/8" inner diameter (ID) for superior water flow. *Each barb has been color coded for ease of installation.
*Knurled cap with o-ring seal for easy empty and and refill
*Reservoir comes with feat that can be used to screw the reservoir into position
*Stainless steels screws used in construction
*One year manufacturer warranty
*Only use clean distilled water with the pump. Do not use anti-freeze, water wetter, or any other additives as these may cause failure of the pump and will void your warranty.

^unlike other cooling kits, how come this one doesn't want water wetters or Anti-Freeze?

ambient · 06-01-2002, 01:42 PM

DON'T BUY ANYTHING FROM OCH!!!! They suck. Just by saying what I just did, you will see a bunch of posts about how much OCH sucks. If you want to buy a kit go with one from Danger Den or Dtek.
www.dangergen.com
www.dtekcustoms.com

ambient · 06-01-2002, 01:43 PM

oh, and yes I when I said coolant, I mean water wetter and anti freeze, or whatever you like to use for coolant.

Heavy_Equipment · 06-01-2002, 01:46 PM

Or do-it-yourself:

rounded off in US$

heater core $20
1/2 inch tubing $3
eheim 1048 $55
block of choice $40
clamps, fittings etc. $10
2 80mm fans for core $10 (generic case fans)

$140 (+/- $10)

D-I-Y pride=priceless

tofu2go · 06-01-2002, 02:00 PM

so if I get the eheim 1048 pump I won't need a reservoir?? That's just about the only thing I'm confused about right now... Thinkin I'll buy Danger Den's stuff on Cooltechnica

*Danger Den Maze3
*Black Ice Prime 3/8
*Panaflo 120mm Fan
*Eheim 1048
*Reservoir ????
*7ft 3/8 Silicon Tubings
*4oz SWater Wetter
*10 Hose Clamps + T-Fittings

$172

Heavy_Equipment · 06-01-2002, 02:09 PM

I prefer a hybrid setup. I use a res, but I don't submerge the pump...just the put in and out lines into the res. It's easier to fill/bleed, more water volume in the loop, and your pump stays clean incase you choose a different setup later.

tofu2go · 06-01-2002, 02:23 PM

cools.. one prob that's a $22 add-on... so it would be aorund a $200 setup... you know where I can find a similar setup as I stated before, but for a cheaper price range... something around $100-$175max

Cyco-Dude · 06-01-2002, 04:13 PM

make yourself a res. the marine electrical junction box costs about 7 bucks, and some fittings will caost about $1.50 each.

WireX · 06-01-2002, 05:00 PM

it has been said over and over again, even once in this thread, but

for the sake of all the guys that will have to listen to the bitching and complaining, DO NOT BUY OCH/CPUFX... ever, I did, I regret

-WireX

(If you think this is spam, plz delete, but it really cannot be said enough...)

Brad · 06-01-2002, 07:04 PM

the second is the best, as the first has a really bad radiator.

the third really really really sucks, don't buy a thing from och at all

tofu2go · 06-01-2002, 08:19 PM

thanks.. Imma tell my dad to order it for me in about 3 weeks when I'm off for summer and before summer school starts =) thx! =)

Alaric_2000 · 06-01-2002, 08:40 PM

Hey Tofu, if you wanna save a few bucks, skip the BI and get a heater core from DTek Customs.

Cyco-Dude · 06-01-2002, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad
the second is the best, as the first has a really bad radiator.

the third really really really sucks, don't buy a thing from och at all

what?? the Black Ice Pro is fine; the second had the Black Ice Prime which isnt as good as the BI Pro. u must be reading something different than i am.......

Brad · 06-02-2002, 12:18 AM

hehe, yeah I was blind, I must have been thinking of the normal becooling kit

ambient · 06-02-2002, 12:23 AM

isn't the bl pro the same as the bl prime only with 1/2" barbs instead of 3/8", if that is the case is it really gonna matter that much?

Cyco-Dude · 06-02-2002, 12:44 AM

the BI Pro is a revised BI Prime. it has 1/2" fittings and makes 2 passes instead of 4 like the Prime (lower pressure drop as a result).
so instead of 3 parrallel channels making 4 passes, it has 6 channels making 2 passes. this should lower the velocity of the water, which increases the time the water spends in the rad allowing it to disipate more heat to the fins. if you look on the specs from HWlabs, they do say it has better performance than the BI Prime.

redleader · 06-02-2002, 01:15 AM

Second kit by far, but use 1/2 inch fittings instead.

tofu2go · 06-02-2002, 02:39 AM

I was thinking of using 3/8 tubings.. will that still fit on the 1/2 BIPro?

Brad · 06-02-2002, 04:40 AM

3/8" tubing will work, but of course it will need to be stretched over the 1/2" barb. You'd still be better with a BI Pro, and 1/2" all around

06-01-2002, 12:10 PM	#1
tofu2go Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: USA Posts: 30	Lil Water Cooling Comparison! Which water cooling kit will give me the best performance: 1 ----------------------- Black Edge Copper Waterjacket Lexan Clamp Hold Down Black Ice Pro MasterKlear 3/8" Tubing, 5ft. 120 x 38mm, 86cfm, 36dB HydroWave bearing quiet fan. PowderCoated Black Reservoir with Minijet 404 pump (not yet updated). 120 volt only. Price @ $119+ USD or 2 ----------------------- MAZE3 AMD Block 3/8" OD Fittings Black Ice Prime (has 3/8 OD Fittings) heim 1048 or 1250 Pump (They are 110V) 7' of Tubing (This is ID Tubing of 3/8" or 1/2" with 1/8" walls) Arctic Silver 3 4oz Water Wetter *ose Clamps and Tee ^do I need a resevor for this kit, or cna the ehem do without it? Price @$175+ USD ------------------------- I'm thinking of getting the cheaper Aqua Stealth, but is it poor quality? I don't want to pay too much for a water cooling kit. + what kind of temperatures would I get from either kits? :/

06-01-2002, 01:42 PM	#5
ambient Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 312	DON'T BUY ANYTHING FROM OCH!!!! They suck. Just by saying what I just did, you will see a bunch of posts about how much OCH sucks. If you want to buy a kit go with one from Danger Den or Dtek. www.dangergen.com www.dtekcustoms.com __________________ water cooled 1.4 tbird @ 1580 143x11 vcore 1.88 vio 3.55

06-01-2002, 01:43 PM	#6
ambient Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 312	oh, and yes I when I said coolant, I mean water wetter and anti freeze, or whatever you like to use for coolant. __________________ water cooled 1.4 tbird @ 1580 143x11 vcore 1.88 vio 3.55

06-01-2002, 01:46 PM	#7
Heavy_Equipment Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Newmarket, Ontario, Canada Posts: 282	Or do-it-yourself: rounded off in US$ heater core $20 1/2 inch tubing $3 eheim 1048 $55 block of choice $40 clamps, fittings etc. $10 2 80mm fans for core $10 (generic case fans) $140 (+/- $10) D-I-Y pride=priceless Last edited by Heavy_Equipment; 06-01-2002 at 01:49 PM.

06-01-2002, 05:00 PM	#12
WireX Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Winnipeg Manitoba Canada Posts: 68	it has been said over and over again, even once in this thread, but for the sake of all the guys that will have to listen to the bitching and complaining, DO NOT BUY OCH/CPUFX... ever, I did, I regret -WireX (If you think this is spam, plz delete, but it really cannot be said enough...) __________________ I am a Canadian Cooler and proud of it If at first you don't succeed, Skydiving isn't for you - Me The world is run by the internet The internet is run by computers Nerds run those computers I'm one of those nerds

06-01-2002, 01:08 PM	#2
ambient Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 312	#2 by far. and you don't need a res, but more coolant = better. __________________ water cooled 1.4 tbird @ 1580 143x11 vcore 1.88 vio 3.55

06-01-2002, 01:19 PM	#3
tofu2go Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: USA Posts: 30	when you talk coolant, do you mean water wetters and anti-freeze?

06-01-2002, 01:31 PM	#4
tofu2go Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: USA Posts: 30	Z4 Water Cooling Kit Priced @ $175 Supports AMD Socket A Processors: Duron, XP, Thunderbird 500GPH 12V DC Pump with standard 4pin Molex Connector 100% Aluminum anodized, CNC milled construction Reservoir is 4.5 inches in diameter by 2.5 inches tall 1/4" thick walls 1/2" outer diameter (OD) anodized hose barbs for corrosion protection. 3/8" inner diameter (ID) for superior water flow. Each barb has been color coded for ease of installation. Knurled cap with o-ring seal for easy empty and and refill Reservoir comes with feat that can be used to screw the reservoir into position Stainless steels screws used in construction One year manufacturer warranty *Only use clean distilled water with the pump. Do not use anti-freeze, water wetter, or any other additives as these may cause failure of the pump and will void your warranty. ^unlike other cooling kits, how come this one doesn't want water wetters or Anti-Freeze?

06-01-2002, 02:00 PM	#8
tofu2go Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: USA Posts: 30	so if I get the eheim 1048 pump I won't need a reservoir?? That's just about the only thing I'm confused about right now... Thinkin I'll buy Danger Den's stuff on Cooltechnica Danger Den Maze3 Black Ice Prime 3/8 Panaflo 120mm Fan Eheim 1048 Reservoir ???? 7ft 3/8 Silicon Tubings 4oz SWater Wetter 10 Hose Clamps + T-Fittings $172

06-01-2002, 02:09 PM	#9
Heavy_Equipment Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Newmarket, Ontario, Canada Posts: 282	I prefer a hybrid setup. I use a res, but I don't submerge the pump...just the put in and out lines into the res. It's easier to fill/bleed, more water volume in the loop, and your pump stays clean incase you choose a different setup later.

06-01-2002, 02:23 PM	#10
tofu2go Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: USA Posts: 30	cools.. one prob that's a $22 add-on... so it would be aorund a $200 setup... you know where I can find a similar setup as I stated before, but for a cheaper price range... something around $100-$175max

06-01-2002, 04:13 PM	#11
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	make yourself a res. the marine electrical junction box costs about 7 bucks, and some fittings will caost about $1.50 each.

06-01-2002, 07:04 PM	#13
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	the second is the best, as the first has a really bad radiator. the third really really really sucks, don't buy a thing from och at all __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

06-01-2002, 08:19 PM	#14
tofu2go Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: USA Posts: 30	thanks.. Imma tell my dad to order it for me in about 3 weeks when I'm off for summer and before summer school starts =) thx! =)

06-01-2002, 08:40 PM	#15
Alaric_2000 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: Yardley, PA Posts: 47	Hey Tofu, if you wanna save a few bucks, skip the BI and get a heater core from DTek Customs.

06-02-2002, 12:18 AM	#17
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	hehe, yeah I was blind, I must have been thinking of the normal becooling kit __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

06-02-2002, 12:23 AM	#18
ambient Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 312	isn't the bl pro the same as the bl prime only with 1/2" barbs instead of 3/8", if that is the case is it really gonna matter that much? __________________ water cooled 1.4 tbird @ 1580 143x11 vcore 1.88 vio 3.55

06-02-2002, 12:44 AM	#19
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	the BI Pro is a revised BI Prime. it has 1/2" fittings and makes 2 passes instead of 4 like the Prime (lower pressure drop as a result). so instead of 3 parrallel channels making 4 passes, it has 6 channels making 2 passes. this should lower the velocity of the water, which increases the time the water spends in the rad allowing it to disipate more heat to the fins. if you look on the specs from HWlabs, they do say it has better performance than the BI Prime.

06-02-2002, 01:15 AM	#20
redleader Thermophile Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The deserts of Tucson, Az Posts: 1,264	Second kit by far, but use 1/2 inch fittings instead.

06-02-2002, 02:39 AM	#21
tofu2go Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: USA Posts: 30	I was thinking of using 3/8 tubings.. will that still fit on the 1/2 BIPro?

06-02-2002, 04:40 AM	#22
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	3/8" tubing will work, but of course it will need to be stretched over the 1/2" barb. You'd still be better with a BI Pro, and 1/2" all around __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

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