socket 478 maze3 mounting

p0b0y · 06-10-2002, 08:12 AM

the hardware dangerden supplied is pretty crappy and not stable enough for the vinyl/pvc hosed i got. anybody have a suggestion to mount it better? dangerden's installation page is always down for me, how bout yous guys?

morphling1 · 06-10-2002, 09:02 AM

I think that mounting P4 requires much larger clamping force, so if the mounting springs are the same as with amd version, that means they are way too soft. I would just use just steel bolts and wing nuts, without springs (I'm using this with amd)because you practicaly can't damage P4 and its heatspreader, and tighten till the block is firmly mounted on cpu.

p0b0y · 06-10-2002, 11:22 AM

would some nylon washers be sufficient in keeping the screws from shorting the mobo?

morphling1 · 06-10-2002, 04:22 PM

Yes no problem, I've got M4 bolts with 4mm ID rubber (1mm thick) washers, on each side of the mobo and M4 nuts to hold bolts in place on the mobo.

Brad · 06-12-2002, 02:17 AM

just try tightening the screws down more, I'm guessing they just aren't screwed down enough

p0b0y · 06-12-2002, 08:34 AM

naw, those nylon screws are pieces of crap, if i wouldve tightened any further, it wouldve stripped them

Brad · 06-12-2002, 01:41 PM

dunno about that, just try making them tighter anyway and see what happens, it doesn't sound as if you are going to use them anyway

p0b0y · 06-12-2002, 02:09 PM

i did use them, the prob was they werent stable enough for me to bend that mack daddy pvc tubing i have

DarkEdge · 06-12-2002, 11:57 PM

Nylon bolts suck under pressure. You can crank them down tight but eventually the threads start to give. Then you have to be patient and rethread them to get them off.

They also melt. When my maze 3 failed (See my post) they just fell off. I don't know how my block was still sitting there.

nemaste · 06-13-2002, 11:31 AM

Thanks ppl. I just ordered a Maze3-1 for my first h2o setup after I got fed up with my girlfriend telling me to shut down my relatively loud PC at bedtime. Now I have to think about modding the darned thing before I even recieved it (she gets annoyed with projects constantly cluttering our apartment too ;-)

I understand why metal bolts are prefered, but I'm leary of going without some sort of spring compression. Without a spring, the mount will likely loosen quickly from creep in the mobo & bolts (not to mention further tightening to compensate for creep could cause yielding or cracks). To keep things more reliable, I was thinking about finding a stiffer spring at a hardware store to go with metal bolts. What do you guys think about this?

I have been putting off h2o until now because I didn't like the idea of having to constantly check up on things, so any help here would be appreciated.

bigben2k · 06-13-2002, 11:56 AM

Just make sure that you respect the AMD clamping pressure specs. I'd go with the springs, metal bolts, and some loc-tite.

bigben2k · 06-13-2002, 12:03 PM

Oh, and make sure you use a shim!!!

Cyco-Dude · 06-13-2002, 01:31 PM

the Maze 3 comes with mounting hardware (including springs). all you need to do is replace the nylon threaded rods with steel bolts! thats what i did; works fine. i believe the size they use is 6x32....or 8x32. go to Ace Hardware and test those two sizes (unsing one of the nylon nuts from the M3 mounting hardware), one of them will work.

morphling1 · 06-13-2002, 01:53 PM

The original topic was about mounting maze3 on P4, and here is no problem with using just nuts without spring (it won't come loose), also I believe that clamping preasure for P4 is around 70pounds for which you would need a lot stiffer springs.
But for amd, yeah springs + shim for protection is the way to go, steel bolts and nuts of course too.

bigben2k · 06-13-2002, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by morphling1
The original topic was about mounting maze3 on P4, and here is no problem with using just nuts without spring (it won't come loose), also I believe that clamping preasure for P4 is around 70pounds for which you would need a lot stiffer springs.
But for amd, yeah springs + shim for protection is the way to go, steel bolts and nuts of course too.

My fault for getting off topic.

p0b0y · 06-13-2002, 07:03 PM

its all good

Brad · 06-14-2002, 05:30 AM

shims are for girls, end of story.

Cyco-Dude · 06-14-2002, 12:58 PM

damn, ur like a broken record with that!!

bigben2k · 06-14-2002, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad
shims are for girls, end of story.

Shims are not girly! but that pink anodized one sure is...

pompoen · 06-14-2002, 01:30 PM

let me put it this way:

real men go intel

Cyco-Dude · 06-14-2002, 01:36 PM

oh gimme a break lol

pompoen · 06-14-2002, 01:39 PM

hehe

06-10-2002, 08:12 AM	#1
p0b0y Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 97	socket 478 maze3 mounting the hardware dangerden supplied is pretty crappy and not stable enough for the vinyl/pvc hosed i got. anybody have a suggestion to mount it better? dangerden's installation page is always down for me, how bout yous guys?

06-12-2002, 02:17 AM	#5
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	just try tightening the screws down more, I'm guessing they just aren't screwed down enough __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

06-12-2002, 01:41 PM	#7
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	dunno about that, just try making them tighter anyway and see what happens, it doesn't sound as if you are going to use them anyway __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

06-13-2002, 11:31 AM	#10
nemaste Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: CA Posts: 78	Thanks ppl. I just ordered a Maze3-1 for my first h2o setup after I got fed up with my girlfriend telling me to shut down my relatively loud PC at bedtime. Now I have to think about modding the darned thing before I even recieved it (she gets annoyed with projects constantly cluttering our apartment too ;-) I understand why metal bolts are prefered, but I'm leary of going without some sort of spring compression. Without a spring, the mount will likely loosen quickly from creep in the mobo & bolts (not to mention further tightening to compensate for creep could cause yielding or cracks). To keep things more reliable, I was thinking about finding a stiffer spring at a hardware store to go with metal bolts. What do you guys think about this? I have been putting off h2o until now because I didn't like the idea of having to constantly check up on things, so any help here would be appreciated. __________________ StrongShockModz

06-13-2002, 11:56 AM	#11
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Just make sure that you respect the AMD clamping pressure specs. I'd go with the springs, metal bolts, and some loc-tite. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

06-10-2002, 09:02 AM	#2
morphling1 Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Slovenia Posts: 468	I think that mounting P4 requires much larger clamping force, so if the mounting springs are the same as with amd version, that means they are way too soft. I would just use just steel bolts and wing nuts, without springs (I'm using this with amd)because you practicaly can't damage P4 and its heatspreader, and tighten till the block is firmly mounted on cpu.

06-10-2002, 11:22 AM	#3
p0b0y Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 97	would some nylon washers be sufficient in keeping the screws from shorting the mobo?

06-10-2002, 04:22 PM	#4
morphling1 Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Slovenia Posts: 468	Yes no problem, I've got M4 bolts with 4mm ID rubber (1mm thick) washers, on each side of the mobo and M4 nuts to hold bolts in place on the mobo.

06-12-2002, 08:34 AM	#6
p0b0y Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 97	naw, those nylon screws are pieces of crap, if i wouldve tightened any further, it wouldve stripped them

06-12-2002, 02:09 PM	#8
p0b0y Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 97	i did use them, the prob was they werent stable enough for me to bend that mack daddy pvc tubing i have

06-12-2002, 11:57 PM	#9
DarkEdge Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sugar Land, Tx Posts: 176	Nylon bolts suck under pressure. You can crank them down tight but eventually the threads start to give. Then you have to be patient and rethread them to get them off. They also melt. When my maze 3 failed (See my post) they just fell off. I don't know how my block was still sitting there.

06-13-2002, 12:03 PM	#12
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Oh, and make sure you use a shim!!! __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

06-13-2002, 01:31 PM	#13
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	the Maze 3 comes with mounting hardware (including springs). all you need to do is replace the nylon threaded rods with steel bolts! thats what i did; works fine. i believe the size they use is 6x32....or 8x32. go to Ace Hardware and test those two sizes (unsing one of the nylon nuts from the M3 mounting hardware), one of them will work.

06-13-2002, 01:53 PM	#14
morphling1 Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Slovenia Posts: 468	The original topic was about mounting maze3 on P4, and here is no problem with using just nuts without spring (it won't come loose), also I believe that clamping preasure for P4 is around 70pounds for which you would need a lot stiffer springs. But for amd, yeah springs + shim for protection is the way to go, steel bolts and nuts of course too.

06-13-2002, 07:03 PM	#16
p0b0y Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 97	its all good

06-14-2002, 05:30 AM	#17
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	shims are for girls, end of story. __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

06-14-2002, 12:58 PM	#18
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	damn, ur like a broken record with that!!

06-14-2002, 01:30 PM	#20
pompoen Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: belgium Posts: 41	let me put it this way: real men go intel

06-14-2002, 01:36 PM	#21
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	oh gimme a break lol

06-14-2002, 01:39 PM	#22
pompoen Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: belgium Posts: 41	hehe

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