Rad shoot-out

gmat · 07-31-2002, 06:52 AM

Here:
http://www.hardwareluxx.de/cgi-bin/u...c&f=5&t=000038

For those who dont read German here are the results: (The heat load is 200W)

Code:

   radiator              diff. in °C
Heattransformer Dual       5,8
Airplex (active cooling)   7,0
Black Ice 2                8,2
Black Ice Extreme         13,0
Heattransformer Single    13,4
Black Ice Pro             14,4
C/S W1                    14,9
ICE Rex                   15,0
C/S W2                    18,3
Airplex (passive cooling) 35,7

The heattransformer is sold here:
http://low-noise.de
and the airplex at:
http://aqua-computer.de

Sanjuro · 07-31-2002, 01:01 PM

Damn, I thought something like a heatercore configuration (Airplex) would peform better than just one tube rads (heattransformer), but no... Too bad I can't read that site or else it would be great...

Gnozo · 07-31-2002, 02:28 PM

Thx for the link gmat

Sanjuro - You can perhaps use babelfish from altavista to translate it.....I think that it might work

hmale · 07-31-2002, 02:47 PM

Große Informationen als immer GMAT. Die Resultate dieses Tests waren sehr interessant. Danke für das Teilen das.

Beifall

bigben2k · 07-31-2002, 02:55 PM

Heattransformer Dual 5,8
Airplex (active cooling) 7,0

Let's see, if the 1st one is a heatercore, measuring 28x14x6, that's 11 inches by 5.5 inches by 2.4 inches... that'd be a huge heater core. I haven't found an equivalent size one yet from heatercore4u, but I'm still not done compiling the data.

Airplex: 30x14x4
inches: 11 3/4 x 5 1/2 x 1 1/2
Equivalent: 2-743, Alfa Romeo model 164, any year

(Now I know it's from Europe!)

bigben2k · 07-31-2002, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hmale
Große Informationen als immer GMAT. Die Resultate dieses Tests waren sehr interessant. Danke für das Teilen das.

Beifall

Qu'est ce qu'il dit?

Anomaly2181 · 07-31-2002, 03:29 PM

ok this isn't a smart question, but how do I read the results, I don't know if the bigger the diff like the airplex is best or the other end with little diff is best.

gmat · 07-31-2002, 03:58 PM

Anomaly: less diff = better. This is waterblock temp minus ambient temp.

Note that all test were run with a Eheim 1048 and 3/8" tubing.

The airplex and heattransformer dual are close enough, but the reviewer prefers the heattransformer because of its good mounting solution.

bb2k: he says good info, the results are interesting - thank you for telling this.
Yes its HUGE... Thats its only downside.

Sanjuro: the results are very close. I think the heattransformer wins because of its overkill size.

One thing worthy noting, is the best 1xfan rad - BIX tied with heattransformer single.
The difference is price. The HT is less than half the price of the BIX !
I'm already ordering one

koslov · 07-31-2002, 04:10 PM

I am using a similiarly large HC: 9.5 x 6.5 x 2in (effective cooling dimensions, about 11in long including manifolds). Don't ask me where it's from, I bought it from someone who had already used it in a WC system. I have no fans on it now, and it keeps my OC'ed AXP 1800+ @ 1620Mhz pretty cool, at least cool enough to run at load for 4 hours while I play America's Army! Not bad for passive cooling, eh? I don't have a SMBus capable mobo, so I can't say what the temps are exactly.

Anomaly2181 · 07-31-2002, 04:32 PM

Cool deal. As of 10 minutes ago I just ordered 1)Black Chemning 601 server case from coolerguys.com 2)Danner 350 Mag Drive from petsmart.com 3) and I decided to go with the BIX for space reason from dangerden.com

Anomaly2181 · 07-31-2002, 04:43 PM

Ok nm I changed the radiator 2 a black ice revision 2 chrome from becooling

007 · 07-31-2002, 04:44 PM

Howcome you have space problems in a servercase?

007 · 07-31-2002, 04:45 PM

Would be funny to see flowtest of the winner, since it's a singlepass cooler...

007 · 07-31-2002, 04:47 PM

What do they mean with 'active cooling' - fans, or?

Anomaly2181 · 08-01-2002, 02:13 AM

007, the radiator is honking in size. The case is 8.1 inches wide, and the radiator is 6*8*2, so if i use the width as 6' and the height as 8' then I lose 5 drive bays...only lose 3 with the BIX.

07-31-2002, 06:52 AM	#1
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	Rad shoot-out Here: http://www.hardwareluxx.de/cgi-bin/u...c&f=5&t=000038 For those who dont read German here are the results: (The heat load is 200W) Code: radiator diff. in °C Heattransformer Dual 5,8 Airplex (active cooling) 7,0 Black Ice 2 8,2 Black Ice Extreme 13,0 Heattransformer Single 13,4 Black Ice Pro 14,4 C/S W1 14,9 ICE Rex 15,0 C/S W2 18,3 Airplex (passive cooling) 35,7 The heattransformer is sold here: http://low-noise.de and the airplex at: http://aqua-computer.de

07-31-2002, 01:01 PM	#2
Sanjuro Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Port Coquitlam, BC Posts: 74	Damn, I thought something like a heatercore configuration (Airplex) would peform better than just one tube rads (heattransformer), but no... Too bad I can't read that site or else it would be great... __________________ Nothing to call home about...

07-31-2002, 02:28 PM	#3
Gnozo Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 105	Thx for the link gmat Sanjuro - You can perhaps use babelfish from altavista to translate it.....I think that it might work __________________ AMD XP1700+ @ JIUHB 12 x 202 Epox 8RDA+ Samsung PC2700 512mb Asus V8420 TI4200 Eheim 1048 - Maze1 - AirPlex EVO240 - Lian Li PC-61

07-31-2002, 02:55 PM	#5
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Re: Rad shoot-out Heattransformer Dual 5,8 Airplex (active cooling) 7,0 Let's see, if the 1st one is a heatercore, measuring 28x14x6, that's 11 inches by 5.5 inches by 2.4 inches... that'd be a huge heater core. I haven't found an equivalent size one yet from heatercore4u, but I'm still not done compiling the data. Airplex: 30x14x4 inches: 11 3/4 x 5 1/2 x 1 1/2 Equivalent: 2-743, Alfa Romeo model 164, any year (Now I know it's from Europe!) __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

07-31-2002, 03:29 PM	#7
Anomaly2181 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 67	ok this isn't a smart question, but how do I read the results, I don't know if the bigger the diff like the airplex is best or the other end with little diff is best. __________________ I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather.....not like my family kicking and screaming in his backseat.

07-31-2002, 02:47 PM	#4
hmale Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MIami, Florida Posts: 169	Große Informationen als immer GMAT. Die Resultate dieses Tests waren sehr interessant. Danke für das Teilen das. Beifall

07-31-2002, 03:58 PM	#8
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	Anomaly: less diff = better. This is waterblock temp minus ambient temp. Note that all test were run with a Eheim 1048 and 3/8" tubing. The airplex and heattransformer dual are close enough, but the reviewer prefers the heattransformer because of its good mounting solution. bb2k: he says good info, the results are interesting - thank you for telling this. Yes its HUGE... Thats its only downside. Sanjuro: the results are very close. I think the heattransformer wins because of its overkill size. One thing worthy noting, is the best 1xfan rad - BIX tied with heattransformer single. The difference is price. The HT is less than half the price of the BIX ! I'm already ordering one

07-31-2002, 04:10 PM	#9
koslov Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Posts: 264	I am using a similiarly large HC: 9.5 x 6.5 x 2in (effective cooling dimensions, about 11in long including manifolds). Don't ask me where it's from, I bought it from someone who had already used it in a WC system. I have no fans on it now, and it keeps my OC'ed AXP 1800+ @ 1620Mhz pretty cool, at least cool enough to run at load for 4 hours while I play America's Army! Not bad for passive cooling, eh? I don't have a SMBus capable mobo, so I can't say what the temps are exactly.

07-31-2002, 04:32 PM	#10
Anomaly2181 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 67	Cool deal. As of 10 minutes ago I just ordered 1)Black Chemning 601 server case from coolerguys.com 2)Danner 350 Mag Drive from petsmart.com 3) and I decided to go with the BIX for space reason from dangerden.com __________________ I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather.....not like my family kicking and screaming in his backseat.

07-31-2002, 04:43 PM	#11
Anomaly2181 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 67	Ok nm I changed the radiator 2 a black ice revision 2 chrome from becooling __________________ I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather.....not like my family kicking and screaming in his backseat.

07-31-2002, 04:44 PM	#12
007 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 31	Howcome you have space problems in a servercase? __________________ AMD XP1700@2400MHz (1.925Vcore (11x200), 1.5GB DDR3200, Epox 8RDA3+, Seagate Barracuda IV 80GB, Seagate 7200.2 120GB, Seagate 7200.2 160GB, WW ClearTop (CPU) Twinplex GF4 (GPU) w/ 2x120mm on heatercore from Accord '92 and Eheim 1048. To be further upgraded! (RAID 5, HD/PSU/NB cooling etc.)

07-31-2002, 04:45 PM	#13
007 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 31	Would be funny to see flowtest of the winner, since it's a singlepass cooler... __________________ AMD XP1700@2400MHz (1.925Vcore (11x200), 1.5GB DDR3200, Epox 8RDA3+, Seagate Barracuda IV 80GB, Seagate 7200.2 120GB, Seagate 7200.2 160GB, WW ClearTop (CPU) Twinplex GF4 (GPU) w/ 2x120mm on heatercore from Accord '92 and Eheim 1048. To be further upgraded! (RAID 5, HD/PSU/NB cooling etc.)

07-31-2002, 04:47 PM	#14
007 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 31	What do they mean with 'active cooling' - fans, or? __________________ AMD XP1700@2400MHz (1.925Vcore (11x200), 1.5GB DDR3200, Epox 8RDA3+, Seagate Barracuda IV 80GB, Seagate 7200.2 120GB, Seagate 7200.2 160GB, WW ClearTop (CPU) Twinplex GF4 (GPU) w/ 2x120mm on heatercore from Accord '92 and Eheim 1048. To be further upgraded! (RAID 5, HD/PSU/NB cooling etc.)

08-01-2002, 02:13 AM	#15
Anomaly2181 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 67	007, the radiator is honking in size. The case is 8.1 inches wide, and the radiator is 682, so if i use the width as 6' and the height as 8' then I lose 5 drive bays...only lose 3 with the BIX. __________________ I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather.....not like my family kicking and screaming in his backseat.

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