some advice please

pcman_03 · 11-21-2002, 07:15 PM

i am planning on starting building my new computer around christmas maybe a little after. it is going to be a dual processor system. i was wondering which motherboard would be a good choice. take into consideration that this is going to be my main system which i will be playing games on and all the other normal and unnormal things people do. which i will be requireing a high performance graphics card and i will need the newest thing for the ability to expand. also what os would be suggested i am planning to use either win2000pro or win xp pro. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

thanks in advanced

bigben2k · 11-22-2002, 09:21 AM

There's only one to choose: Tyan Tiger.

Let me see if I can dig you up a link.

gmat · 11-22-2002, 11:00 AM

Tyan for the mobo (if AMD) or Asus (if Intel).
Win2K is less f*cked-up than XP.
If you want a real OS that makes good use of 2 CPUs, switch to Linux.

bigben2k · 11-22-2002, 11:21 AM

This is a good place to start:
http://www.2cpu.com/hardware.htm

jtroutma · 11-22-2002, 04:23 PM

PCman_03:

If you want I can quote you up a full system that I would build if I was in your position.

Let me know.

pcman_03 · 11-22-2002, 04:26 PM

do u think i would have any problems playing games or other regular stuff since win2k is really ment to be for servers? as for linux which one would be suggested that will still allow me to play games and other regular stuff?

pcman_03 · 11-22-2002, 04:44 PM

jtroutma any help would be appreciated.

by the way thanks for all the other help that i have recieved.

and the system is going to be amd.

airspirit · 11-22-2002, 04:51 PM

If you want to thrash some duallie action, you may want to wait just a few months and invest in a Hammer platform. Unlike the "workaround" MP methods used by Intel and AMD on their desktop systems (face it, the MP chips are just hacked XPs and not optimized), these are designed for some serious multiprocessing work. Just a thought. It'll be more expensive, but there will be tremendous benefits. PCI-X, AGP3.0, Hypertransport, it's all getting thrown into the Hammer mix, not to mention the fact that each processor gets it's own RAM banks.

jtroutma · 11-22-2002, 05:16 PM

Ok here it goes:

Tyan Tiger MPX (S2466) $197 www.micropro.com
AMD Athlon MP2000 1.67GHz $153x2 www.newegg.com
1GB PC2100 ECC Registered $365 www.micropro.com
ATI RADEON 9700 PRO 128MB $355 www.newegg.com
EVERCASE E4252W005A $29 www.newegg.com
Antec ATX12V 400 Watt $65 www.newegg.com
WD "SPECIAL" 80GB 7200RPM $115x3 www.newegg.com
LSI Logic Megaraid i4 RAID 5 $282 www.pcprogress.com
TURTLE BEACH SANTA CRUZ $62 www.newegg.com
Logitech Z-680 5.1 450W THX $350 www.newegg.com

Total = $2356

If I have forgotten something please include it.

BTW I left out cooling solution on purpose, I would go for a custom water cooling unit

EDIT: Forgot CDROM drive

Toshiba DVD-Recorder/CDRW Combo $279 www.newegg.com

Also GO Win2K......WinXP sucks!

Enjoy!

gmat · 11-22-2002, 05:57 PM

W2K is more stable and less clogged with silly "features" than XP. No it's not meant for servers, nor is XP. W2K "server edition" is meant for servers...
Anyway with a duallie you usually get SCSI and SCSI with XP is a no-go.

g.l.amour · 11-22-2002, 06:04 PM

hmm, everyone seems to like tyan?

a bud from work had a tyan dually, the thing kind of got a meltdown at the 5V lines at his atx connector (similar to the pic morphling once showed here of his burnt atx connector). the reseller told him it wasn't covered under warranty because there was visible damage. tyan europe didn't want to rma it either (although it is a known problem with the tyan community over at amdmb.com). now he is trying to get tyan usa to fix him up. because this joke of a service department has him waiting for over 3 weeks now, he bought himself the asus dually. if he ever gets the tyan back repaired, he will sell it.

i always thought paying rolls roys prices, got you rolls roys service, apparently not at tyan. maybe something to consider. if u r from US u shouldn't be worried. but tyan sure doesn't seem to mind losing customers in europe.

pcman_03 · 11-23-2002, 03:34 AM

well from what i have been researching the dual proc systems are not at all good for gaming and since that is one of my main conserns i think i am going to build a single proc system what does every one think about the new Nvidia chipset on the asusA7N8X with maybe a xp2400 or would i be better off going with a diff. proc for overclocking ability?

jtroutma · 11-23-2002, 11:03 AM

There is another thread that goes into better detail about that question.

nForce2 or KT400

Presonally I would still go with the nForce2.

bigben2k · 11-23-2002, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pcman_03
well from what i have been researching the dual proc systems are not at all good for gaming and since that is one of my main conserns ...

Geesh, and you tell us this now???

:shrug:

I don't know how many times this will have to be repeated: multi-proc systems are for multi-proc applications.

MadDogMe · 11-24-2002, 12:53 AM

Not everyone knows that BB...,

oh wait!..., pcmans got it!, yep they do now

...

Brad · 11-26-2002, 12:51 AM

If you want to go AMD I'd have to recommend the MSI or the Iwill.

For the dual Xeon route you'd be looking for one of the new boards with 533fsb and AGP support. Supermicro, Tyan and Iwill have some nice offerings that are available at the moment.

jtroutma · 11-26-2002, 10:57 AM

BigBen:

I am a gamer and I still want a duelie!!

One for my server (Supermicro duel PIII 1ghz; CHECK!) and one for my workstation (need more money or a steal like the Supermicro one I found

)

Pcman_03:

I would follow that thread link that I posted a bit back (nForce2 vs. KT400) and then make your decision on a single proc. board. I still say that I would go with the nForce2.

mfpmax · 11-26-2002, 03:26 PM

WINDOWS 2000

XP is fruity and for grandmas...and even they think it looks like PlaySkool

11-21-2002, 07:15 PM	#1
pcman_03 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USA Posts: 21	some advice please i am planning on starting building my new computer around christmas maybe a little after. it is going to be a dual processor system. i was wondering which motherboard would be a good choice. take into consideration that this is going to be my main system which i will be playing games on and all the other normal and unnormal things people do. which i will be requireing a high performance graphics card and i will need the newest thing for the ability to expand. also what os would be suggested i am planning to use either win2000pro or win xp pro. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advanced

11-22-2002, 09:21 AM	#2
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	There's only one to choose: Tyan Tiger. Let me see if I can dig you up a link. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

11-22-2002, 11:21 AM	#4
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	This is a good place to start: http://www.2cpu.com/hardware.htm __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

11-22-2002, 04:23 PM	#5
jtroutma Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SLO, CA Posts: 837	PCman_03: If you want I can quote you up a full system that I would build if I was in your position. Let me know. __________________ Athlon64 X2 4200+ @ 2.5Ghz (250FSB x 10) OCZ VX 1GB 4000 @ 250FSB (6-2-2-2 timmings) DFI LANParty nForce4 Ultra-D SCSI Raid 5 x (3) Cheetah 15K HDDs LSI Express 500 (128MB cache) OCZ PowerStream 520W PSU ATI X850XT PE (Stock) DTEK WhiteWater + DTEK Custom Radiator Eheim 1250

11-22-2002, 04:26 PM	#6
pcman_03 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USA Posts: 21	do u think i would have any problems playing games or other regular stuff since win2k is really ment to be for servers? as for linux which one would be suggested that will still allow me to play games and other regular stuff? Last edited by pcman_03; 11-22-2002 at 04:36 PM.

11-22-2002, 11:00 AM	#3
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	Tyan for the mobo (if AMD) or Asus (if Intel). Win2K is less f*cked-up than XP. If you want a real OS that makes good use of 2 CPUs, switch to Linux.

11-22-2002, 04:44 PM	#7
pcman_03 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USA Posts: 21	jtroutma any help would be appreciated. by the way thanks for all the other help that i have recieved. and the system is going to be amd.

11-22-2002, 04:51 PM	#8
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	If you want to thrash some duallie action, you may want to wait just a few months and invest in a Hammer platform. Unlike the "workaround" MP methods used by Intel and AMD on their desktop systems (face it, the MP chips are just hacked XPs and not optimized), these are designed for some serious multiprocessing work. Just a thought. It'll be more expensive, but there will be tremendous benefits. PCI-X, AGP3.0, Hypertransport, it's all getting thrown into the Hammer mix, not to mention the fact that each processor gets it's own RAM banks. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

11-22-2002, 05:16 PM	#9
jtroutma Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SLO, CA Posts: 837	Ok here it goes: Tyan Tiger MPX (S2466) $197 www.micropro.com AMD Athlon MP2000 1.67GHz $153x2 www.newegg.com 1GB PC2100 ECC Registered $365 www.micropro.com ATI RADEON 9700 PRO 128MB $355 www.newegg.com EVERCASE E4252W005A $29 www.newegg.com Antec ATX12V 400 Watt $65 www.newegg.com WD "SPECIAL" 80GB 7200RPM $115x3 www.newegg.com LSI Logic Megaraid i4 RAID 5 $282 www.pcprogress.com TURTLE BEACH SANTA CRUZ $62 www.newegg.com Logitech Z-680 5.1 450W THX $350 www.newegg.com Total = $2356 If I have forgotten something please include it. BTW I left out cooling solution on purpose, I would go for a custom water cooling unit EDIT: Forgot CDROM drive Toshiba DVD-Recorder/CDRW Combo $279 www.newegg.com Also GO Win2K......WinXP sucks! Enjoy! __________________ Athlon64 X2 4200+ @ 2.5Ghz (250FSB x 10) OCZ VX 1GB 4000 @ 250FSB (6-2-2-2 timmings) DFI LANParty nForce4 Ultra-D SCSI Raid 5 x (3) Cheetah 15K HDDs LSI Express 500 (128MB cache) OCZ PowerStream 520W PSU ATI X850XT PE (Stock) DTEK WhiteWater + DTEK Custom Radiator Eheim 1250 Last edited by jtroutma; 11-22-2002 at 07:03 PM.

11-22-2002, 05:57 PM	#10
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	W2K is more stable and less clogged with silly "features" than XP. No it's not meant for servers, nor is XP. W2K "server edition" is meant for servers... Anyway with a duallie you usually get SCSI and SCSI with XP is a no-go.

11-22-2002, 06:04 PM	#11
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	hmm, everyone seems to like tyan? a bud from work had a tyan dually, the thing kind of got a meltdown at the 5V lines at his atx connector (similar to the pic morphling once showed here of his burnt atx connector). the reseller told him it wasn't covered under warranty because there was visible damage. tyan europe didn't want to rma it either (although it is a known problem with the tyan community over at amdmb.com). now he is trying to get tyan usa to fix him up. because this joke of a service department has him waiting for over 3 weeks now, he bought himself the asus dually. if he ever gets the tyan back repaired, he will sell it. i always thought paying rolls roys prices, got you rolls roys service, apparently not at tyan. maybe something to consider. if u r from US u shouldn't be worried. but tyan sure doesn't seem to mind losing customers in europe. __________________ yo soy un tiburón

11-23-2002, 03:34 AM	#12
pcman_03 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USA Posts: 21	well from what i have been researching the dual proc systems are not at all good for gaming and since that is one of my main conserns i think i am going to build a single proc system what does every one think about the new Nvidia chipset on the asusA7N8X with maybe a xp2400 or would i be better off going with a diff. proc for overclocking ability?

11-23-2002, 11:03 AM	#13
jtroutma Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SLO, CA Posts: 837	There is another thread that goes into better detail about that question. nForce2 or KT400 Presonally I would still go with the nForce2. __________________ Athlon64 X2 4200+ @ 2.5Ghz (250FSB x 10) OCZ VX 1GB 4000 @ 250FSB (6-2-2-2 timmings) DFI LANParty nForce4 Ultra-D SCSI Raid 5 x (3) Cheetah 15K HDDs LSI Express 500 (128MB cache) OCZ PowerStream 520W PSU ATI X850XT PE (Stock) DTEK WhiteWater + DTEK Custom Radiator Eheim 1250

11-24-2002, 12:53 AM	#15
MadDogMe Thermophile Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just shut up ;) ... Posts: 1,068	Not everyone knows that BB..., oh wait!..., pcmans got it!, yep they do now ...

11-26-2002, 12:51 AM	#16
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	If you want to go AMD I'd have to recommend the MSI or the Iwill. For the dual Xeon route you'd be looking for one of the new boards with 533fsb and AGP support. Supermicro, Tyan and Iwill have some nice offerings that are available at the moment. __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

11-26-2002, 10:57 AM	#17
jtroutma Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SLO, CA Posts: 837	BigBen: I am a gamer and I still want a duelie!! One for my server (Supermicro duel PIII 1ghz; CHECK!) and one for my workstation (need more money or a steal like the Supermicro one I found ) Pcman_03: I would follow that thread link that I posted a bit back (nForce2 vs. KT400) and then make your decision on a single proc. board. I still say that I would go with the nForce2. __________________ Athlon64 X2 4200+ @ 2.5Ghz (250FSB x 10) OCZ VX 1GB 4000 @ 250FSB (6-2-2-2 timmings) DFI LANParty nForce4 Ultra-D SCSI Raid 5 x (3) Cheetah 15K HDDs LSI Express 500 (128MB cache) OCZ PowerStream 520W PSU ATI X850XT PE (Stock) DTEK WhiteWater + DTEK Custom Radiator Eheim 1250

11-26-2002, 03:26 PM	#18
mfpmax Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Rockledge,FL,US Posts: 731	WINDOWS 2000 XP is fruity and for grandmas...and even they think it looks like PlaySkool __________________ My old and retired watercooling setup. Watercooled K6-2 450 at 600 Also Retired - Watercooling an XP1800@1782MHz

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