Swiftech MCP300 Inline Pump, worth it???

Crosstrack16 · 11-27-2002, 04:39 PM

This sounds like a good, SMALL pump, any feedback?

mfpmax · 11-27-2002, 04:54 PM

Its small...

Its fairly new so you're gonna be pressed hard to find much about it.

Ehiem also has a similar pump that has become known and is starting to be sold.

Other options are the Maxi-Jet series pump and Power Head pumps. The Via Aqua 1300s also.

bytesyzed · 11-27-2002, 04:58 PM

When I first saw it, I thought it was just a rebranded Eheim (or perhaps that Swiftech had found the manufacturer for this particular line of pump that Eheim distributes). You might want to do some comparisons with the numbers that Swiftech has on this pump with the Eheim one. That might allow you to make a more informed choice.

bigdawginva · 11-27-2002, 05:10 PM

It looks like a Sicce Idra to me.

bigdawginva · 11-30-2002, 07:12 AM

http://www.amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=216

Poorly done IMO but a review nonetheless.

MadDogMe · 11-30-2002, 07:44 AM

Have you got a link handy to the Sicce Idra?, for comparison?...

Anyone found a P~curve yet?, that test was pretty pointless :shrug: ...

bigdawginva · 11-30-2002, 07:52 AM

Besides what pHaestus had for the Sicce Idra, no I don't.

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&threadid=5068

LOL, I like your choice of "pointless" better than my "poorly done".

For starters...

There's no mention of the drive mechanism which is why it runs warmer than the 1048. It's because it uses a metal shaft instead of a ceramic one.

He also pointed out it's comparable to the 1250 but anyone who's already compared the data knew that. He should've used the 1250 to begin with.

No before and after temps.

No measure of flow with both the rad and WB in place.

No flow data with 1/2" ID hose.

UnloadeD · 11-30-2002, 09:13 AM

There's a p-curve of the swifty pump on this page:
http://www.swiftnets.com/products/mcp300.asp
[rant]
What I find curious about the review are these 2 statements
"Approximately 10-12 inches of head "
&
"MCP300™ = 59- 60 gph "

He must be figuring total head is the heigth from the pump to the highest point in the system. If you look at the p-curve, to get that flowrate there must be closer to 80" of head on that system. This is exactly why I am curious to see how much head a given item adds to a system. Your average user might look at that p-curve and figure his case is less than 30" tall so he might expect to get 250gph+ from the pump

There's also a dubious detail about that p-curve. At the bottom it states "(submersed condition - 5/8" ID output)" So in reality that p-curve is for a different pump because 5/8"ID output is impossible with the 1/2" fittings that are on the pump, and once you add tubing or adaptors 3/8" ID is the best you are gonna get

Now I'm not particularly dogging this reviewer or this company, I'm just using them as examples to point out some of the widespread misinformation thats out there. It's pretty rampant and the more I learn the more it's starting to bother me.

[/end rant]

pHaestus · 11-30-2002, 11:04 AM

But you CAN get a 5/8" ID output on the Sicce; just not on the modified pump that Swiftech sells (if in fact it is the same pump). I would have thought that mfgrs would calibrate their test system to be able to remove the pressure drop due to the fittings and hose used; the fact that they report the fitting sizes suggests that they did not in this case.

bigdawginva · 11-30-2002, 09:06 PM

BTW, this is a $15 pump I'm going to try with my first WCing build.

Performace claims are here...

http://www.premiumaquatics.com/thestore/Maxijet.html

20w, 295gph and almost 7ft of max head.

Pics of mine are below. You can see how small it really is. Fits in the palm of your hand. I placed it next to a Swifty 462-U for comparison. I intend to use this for my first custom WCing rig. Got it new for $15 on Ebay.

http://home.attbi.com/~96impalass/ws...ID-445144.html

http://home.attbi.com/~96impalass/ws...ID-445145.html

http://home.attbi.com/~96impalass/ws...ID-445146.html

http://home.attbi.com/~96impalass/ws...ID-445147.html

I'm not advocating this pump since I have not used it yet but just wanted to provide some initial info.

Turbokeu · 12-02-2002, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigdawginva
It looks like a Sicce Idra to me.

You're right! (see http://www.sicce.co.uk)

CD

11-27-2002, 04:39 PM	#1
Crosstrack16 Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Spring Hill, FL Posts: 169	Swiftech MCP300 Inline Pump, worth it??? This sounds like a good, SMALL pump, any feedback?

11-27-2002, 04:54 PM	#2
mfpmax Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Rockledge,FL,US Posts: 731	Its small... Its fairly new so you're gonna be pressed hard to find much about it. Ehiem also has a similar pump that has become known and is starting to be sold. Other options are the Maxi-Jet series pump and Power Head pumps. The Via Aqua 1300s also. __________________ My old and retired watercooling setup. Watercooled K6-2 450 at 600 Also Retired - Watercooling an XP1800@1782MHz

11-30-2002, 07:12 AM	#5
bigdawginva Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: VA Posts: 104	Review http://www.amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=216 Poorly done IMO but a review nonetheless.

11-27-2002, 04:58 PM	#3
bytesyzed Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Hell's Kitchen Posts: 23	When I first saw it, I thought it was just a rebranded Eheim (or perhaps that Swiftech had found the manufacturer for this particular line of pump that Eheim distributes). You might want to do some comparisons with the numbers that Swiftech has on this pump with the Eheim one. That might allow you to make a more informed choice.

11-27-2002, 05:10 PM	#4
bigdawginva Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: VA Posts: 104	It looks like a Sicce Idra to me.

11-30-2002, 07:44 AM	#6
MadDogMe Thermophile Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just shut up ;) ... Posts: 1,068	Have you got a link handy to the Sicce Idra?, for comparison?... Anyone found a P~curve yet?, that test was pretty pointless :shrug: ...

11-30-2002, 07:52 AM	#7
bigdawginva Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: VA Posts: 104	Besides what pHaestus had for the Sicce Idra, no I don't. http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&threadid=5068 LOL, I like your choice of "pointless" better than my "poorly done". For starters... There's no mention of the drive mechanism which is why it runs warmer than the 1048. It's because it uses a metal shaft instead of a ceramic one. He also pointed out it's comparable to the 1250 but anyone who's already compared the data knew that. He should've used the 1250 to begin with. No before and after temps. No measure of flow with both the rad and WB in place. No flow data with 1/2" ID hose.

11-30-2002, 09:13 AM	#8
UnloadeD Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MidWest USA Posts: 176	There's a p-curve of the swifty pump on this page: http://www.swiftnets.com/products/mcp300.asp [rant] What I find curious about the review are these 2 statements "Approximately 10-12 inches of head " & "MCP300™ = 59- 60 gph " He must be figuring total head is the heigth from the pump to the highest point in the system. If you look at the p-curve, to get that flowrate there must be closer to 80" of head on that system. This is exactly why I am curious to see how much head a given item adds to a system. Your average user might look at that p-curve and figure his case is less than 30" tall so he might expect to get 250gph+ from the pump There's also a dubious detail about that p-curve. At the bottom it states "(submersed condition - 5/8" ID output)" So in reality that p-curve is for a different pump because 5/8"ID output is impossible with the 1/2" fittings that are on the pump, and once you add tubing or adaptors 3/8" ID is the best you are gonna get Now I'm not particularly dogging this reviewer or this company, I'm just using them as examples to point out some of the widespread misinformation thats out there. It's pretty rampant and the more I learn the more it's starting to bother me. [/end rant]

11-30-2002, 11:04 AM	#9
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	But you CAN get a 5/8" ID output on the Sicce; just not on the modified pump that Swiftech sells (if in fact it is the same pump). I would have thought that mfgrs would calibrate their test system to be able to remove the pressure drop due to the fittings and hose used; the fact that they report the fitting sizes suggests that they did not in this case.

11-30-2002, 09:06 PM	#10
bigdawginva Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: VA Posts: 104	BTW, this is a $15 pump I'm going to try with my first WCing build. Performace claims are here... http://www.premiumaquatics.com/thestore/Maxijet.html 20w, 295gph and almost 7ft of max head. Pics of mine are below. You can see how small it really is. Fits in the palm of your hand. I placed it next to a Swifty 462-U for comparison. I intend to use this for my first custom WCing rig. Got it new for $15 on Ebay. http://home.attbi.com/~96impalass/ws...ID-445144.html http://home.attbi.com/~96impalass/ws...ID-445145.html http://home.attbi.com/~96impalass/ws...ID-445146.html http://home.attbi.com/~96impalass/ws...ID-445147.html I'm not advocating this pump since I have not used it yet but just wanted to provide some initial info.

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