Tom rounds up 10 nForce2 Ultra400 mobos.

bigben2k · 07-24-2003, 11:41 AM

http://www6.tomshardware.com/motherb...721/index.html

airspirit · 07-29-2003, 05:03 PM

I didn't bother reading it ... which one paid him the most this time?

satanicoo · 07-29-2003, 05:51 PM

Why do ppl here talk so bad about toms?

I mean, i have already spoken bad about him here, but more on a joking way. Does he makes that crappy reviews?

I kind of like them, he explains a bit the pros and cons of all the boards, somewhat detailed, but since everione heres keeps hammering him, i must ask: are his reviews bad?

If so, where should i go to see 'real reviews' ?

murray13 · 07-29-2003, 06:26 PM

Go read the review!

Then draw your own conclusion.
Does it look at the features that YOU are interested in?
Does it come up with the same conclusion that you did?

If neither of those two are to your satisfaction then just don't give the review much weight.

My personal problems with the review.

No information about overclocking, stability, ease of installation.

Review was written for 'Joe Six Pack', not an informed overclocker.

Is it a bad review? ???

I don't give it much weight.

airspirit · 07-29-2003, 08:40 PM

My beef with Tom's is that the reviews and technical articals are all absolute shite. There is no way around it ... I have never seen an honest article on that site that didn't have some sort of agenda to push, and that's assuming they have the concepts they're reviewing correct in the first place.

bigben2k · 07-29-2003, 09:18 PM

I occasionally read Tom's, for the concentration of data, about various products. Otherwise, I usually ignore the author comments, because I usually find them to be biased and/or uninformed.

satanicoo · 07-29-2003, 10:37 PM

I always look for the toppest stable motherboard. In that category, i go for the fastest one.

In toms i normally see he says that he did not have any stability issue etc etc.
However, i would indeed like to see the stability of the MB when OC.

Anyway, i normally assume that, nowadays, the top performer boards are all the same speed +-, so we should look for features. Right?

Althout i do agree it does not look at some features that i find usefull.

As an example, on the last 875P board roundup, i havent seen specified if any of the board was using the 'So-Called' gigabyte network that connects directly to the northbrige. I think.:shrug:

EDIT: where do you peep normally check for reviews?

Nuson · 07-29-2003, 10:55 PM

I too am struggling to understand why procooing doesn't like tomshardware. Will someone please show me how their reviews are bad?

I understand that overclocking is not one of their big review topics, but does that make the rest of the info bad?

Yes, they did mention which boards that gigabit network feature, but they probably refered to it as CSA which may or may not have confused you.

Brad · 07-30-2003, 03:58 AM

I just read toms so I can see which board is the fastest, and to look at all the pictures.

toms in my opinion = false conclusions and blow job reviews to the person with the biggest cheque book

TerraMex · 07-30-2003, 07:21 AM

I'm with the Mob on this one. Most of the articles are biased , misleading and/or lack information required to understand results . Not to mention some "weird looking numbers".

I remember a couple of years ago when the P4 came out , it went from a total goofup from Intel to the best thing since sliced bread , all in one week.

We usually call it Tom's World Of the Fantastic on this side of the Atlantic. But my favourite if from a friend of mine who called it "The Way of the Exploding Tom" (obscure reference).

However, rarely (very) , there are a few resonable articles, mainly in the wireless department.

At least they're not as blunt as Rodney. Can you say "kick ass product" ? It's what you get when you live on sponsors.

As far as reading goes, even in sites i respect, i try to keep a objective view. I usually read Anandtech, 2cpu , Aces hardware, dans data , and also some others like xbitlabs , u Inquirer.

CoolROD · 08-01-2003, 10:55 PM

I use Tom's as a source for what's new. They are also a source for high quality pictures.

nOv1c3 · 08-02-2003, 12:51 AM

Tom site has always been a place for a good read ..Pluss you have to take any reveiws no mater where it came from with a grain of salt ....

ItsSoLARGE · 08-02-2003, 01:08 AM

Ever since the p4 thing.... i can't read them without twitching.

Plus it's not a grain of salt you need to read their shit... you need enough to send you into cardiac arrest.

sevisehda · 08-02-2003, 04:21 AM

The only part of the review I paid much attention to were the pictures and the table at the end. The fact he said AOpen was a winner because it finished number 1 in the benchmarks was a crock since it was 25Mhz over spec. It may not be much but it didn't win by much anyway. If he wanted to he could of underclocked the board to 2205(like the rest) and ran the test like that.

TerraMex · 08-09-2003, 07:26 AM

http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic...430/index.html

I didnt think it was worth another topic.

" The radiator is made entirely of copper. In order to seal a hose connection, a glue gun was used (below left). "

I liked this one. Glue gun power.

And check the bolts and screws on the pictures.

07-24-2003, 11:41 AM	#1
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Tom rounds up 10 nForce2 Ultra400 mobos. http://www6.tomshardware.com/motherb...721/index.html __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

07-29-2003, 05:03 PM	#2
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	I didn't bother reading it ... which one paid him the most this time? __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

07-29-2003, 08:40 PM	#5
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	My beef with Tom's is that the reviews and technical articals are all absolute shite. There is no way around it ... I have never seen an honest article on that site that didn't have some sort of agenda to push, and that's assuming they have the concepts they're reviewing correct in the first place. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

07-29-2003, 09:18 PM	#6
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	I occasionally read Tom's, for the concentration of data, about various products. Otherwise, I usually ignore the author comments, because I usually find them to be biased and/or uninformed. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

07-29-2003, 10:55 PM	#8
Nuson Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: USA Posts: 41	I too am struggling to understand why procooing doesn't like tomshardware. Will someone please show me how their reviews are bad? I understand that overclocking is not one of their big review topics, but does that make the rest of the info bad? Yes, they did mention which boards that gigabit network feature, but they probably refered to it as CSA which may or may not have confused you. __________________ Frag Out!

07-29-2003, 05:51 PM	#3
satanicoo Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: portugal Posts: 635	Why do ppl here talk so bad about toms? I mean, i have already spoken bad about him here, but more on a joking way. Does he makes that crappy reviews? I kind of like them, he explains a bit the pros and cons of all the boards, somewhat detailed, but since everione heres keeps hammering him, i must ask: are his reviews bad? If so, where should i go to see 'real reviews' ?

07-29-2003, 06:26 PM	#4
murray13 Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Omaha, NE USA Posts: 216	Go read the review! Then draw your own conclusion. Does it look at the features that YOU are interested in? Does it come up with the same conclusion that you did? If neither of those two are to your satisfaction then just don't give the review much weight. My personal problems with the review. No information about overclocking, stability, ease of installation. Review was written for 'Joe Six Pack', not an informed overclocker. Is it a bad review? ??? I don't give it much weight.

07-29-2003, 10:37 PM	#7
satanicoo Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: portugal Posts: 635	I always look for the toppest stable motherboard. In that category, i go for the fastest one. In toms i normally see he says that he did not have any stability issue etc etc. However, i would indeed like to see the stability of the MB when OC. Anyway, i normally assume that, nowadays, the top performer boards are all the same speed +-, so we should look for features. Right? Althout i do agree it does not look at some features that i find usefull. As an example, on the last 875P board roundup, i havent seen specified if any of the board was using the 'So-Called' gigabyte network that connects directly to the northbrige. I think.:shrug: EDIT: where do you peep normally check for reviews?

07-30-2003, 03:58 AM	#9
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	I just read toms so I can see which board is the fastest, and to look at all the pictures. toms in my opinion = false conclusions and blow job reviews to the person with the biggest cheque book __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

07-30-2003, 07:21 AM	#10
TerraMex Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal, Europe Posts: 870	I'm with the Mob on this one. Most of the articles are biased , misleading and/or lack information required to understand results . Not to mention some "weird looking numbers". I remember a couple of years ago when the P4 came out , it went from a total goofup from Intel to the best thing since sliced bread , all in one week. We usually call it Tom's World Of the Fantastic on this side of the Atlantic. But my favourite if from a friend of mine who called it "The Way of the Exploding Tom" (obscure reference). However, rarely (very) , there are a few resonable articles, mainly in the wireless department. At least they're not as blunt as Rodney. Can you say "kick ass product" ? It's what you get when you live on sponsors. As far as reading goes, even in sites i respect, i try to keep a objective view. I usually read Anandtech, 2cpu , Aces hardware, dans data , and also some others like xbitlabs , u Inquirer. __________________ "we need more cowbell."

08-01-2003, 10:55 PM	#11
CoolROD Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: North Carolina, USA Posts: 225	I use Tom's as a source for what's new. They are also a source for high quality pictures. __________________ Jack of all Trades, Master of None.

08-02-2003, 12:51 AM	#12
nOv1c3 Crazy Stupid Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dallas texas Posts: 149	Tom site has always been a place for a good read ..Pluss you have to take any reveiws no mater where it came from with a grain of salt ....

08-02-2003, 01:08 AM	#13
ItsSoLARGE Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: So Cal Posts: 125	Ever since the p4 thing.... i can't read them without twitching. Plus it's not a grain of salt you need to read their shit... you need enough to send you into cardiac arrest. __________________ Plumber's Goop: The Watercooler's Duct Tape

08-02-2003, 04:21 AM	#14
sevisehda Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: NY Posts: 234	The only part of the review I paid much attention to were the pictures and the table at the end. The fact he said AOpen was a winner because it finished number 1 in the benchmarks was a crock since it was 25Mhz over spec. It may not be much but it didn't win by much anyway. If he wanted to he could of underclocked the board to 2205(like the rest) and ran the test like that.

08-09-2003, 07:26 AM	#15
TerraMex Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal, Europe Posts: 870	The Way of the Watercooling Tom. http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic...430/index.html I didnt think it was worth another topic. " The radiator is made entirely of copper. In order to seal a hose connection, a glue gun was used (below left). " I liked this one. Glue gun power. And check the bolts and screws on the pictures. __________________ "we need more cowbell."

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