Which Radiator for the Cascade waterblock ???

Stelios · 07-31-2003, 06:51 PM

In a few days i'm getting my Cascade waterblock (Thanks to Cathar) ... and i want opinions on the heatercore .

The pump that i'm going to use is an Eheim 1250 (317gph). I don't have any problem with the dimensions (actually i want to buy a big one) and so far i'm thinking about something at 25x25x5 cm (ideally for 4 12cm fans) , but it wouldn't be a problem to take something at 40x40x5 cm for 9 12cm fans.
Of course i can always use less fans in order to have silence ( i like the idea ! )

Will there be any problem with the pump ??? ... i mean is there an equation to tell you which is the biggest heatercore you can use with a specific pump (gph) ???

In case you are wondering where i'm going to find a heatercore like this , my answer is that i'm going to order it to a company that makes heatercores/radiators.
Of course it will be with copper pipes and aluminium fins .

Thank you.

pHaestus · 07-31-2003, 09:21 PM

Hellion Prime had a 10"x10" heatercore on this forum; maybe he will post in this thread with some info on flow rates with it. In general, the bigger the better as long as it's low flow resistance. From Bill's recent thermochill testing you might be able to get SOME idea of how pressure drop in a heatercore might scale with size. Or there were some discussions of an equation in the water cooling simulation discussion forum I think.

mad mikee · 08-01-2003, 08:38 AM

Single pass. Check out my concoction log this weekend afte I finally get time to post the last pics. MBM says my CPU is running 36c whilst running prime95 torture test, 30c no load. (would be even lower but wanted to get another 100mhz out of my lovely barton

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Hellion_Prime · 08-01-2003, 11:07 AM

I've just recently moved, and most of my gear is in storage untill we get a larger place, so I cant post any hard data on flowrates for my 9x9x2 heatercore.

The design of the heatercore will be the big kicker for you, I think. You might also give some thought to going with larger fans than the 120mm models you're thinking of since the rad will be so large. Let me know what you find. I'd be interested in one that size myself.

I'm assuming you're putting it in a seperate enclosure, given its size. You might have a problem with head loss, depending on the distances involved. Just something to think about.

Pictures of my gear can be foundhere

Stelios · 08-01-2003, 11:30 AM

I just gave the exact dimensions to the shop and i'm waiting for the price !

...if the price is high , i might consider a used truck heatercore , or the car radiator ...

Has anyone tried it ??? (car radiator) ?? . AFAIK the car radiators have a lot better flow rate than the heatercore , but it needs some modification to the connectors ...

Hellion_Prime > i'm not going to put it in an encloser . I will leave it standind in a corner under my desk.

Blackeagle · 08-01-2003, 03:22 PM

Good luck with your custom shop rad. Hope you let us know how it turns out.

If the $$ are high though here are some very large rads. YOu can find them in the heater core data base.

2-192
2-193
2-308

All are pretty big. You could hang 4 X 4 120mm fans on that first or last monsters. That should do to cool about anything. I'd guess a larger pump might be in order though. Iwaki MD-20rlzt ?

Hellion_Prime · 08-01-2003, 08:08 PM

After looking at the pics, mine's a 2-308. The mounting flange is a Very Good Thing. I had 4 172mm Comair Rotron Patriots set to pull air through it.

Stelios · 08-01-2003, 08:14 PM

Hmmm ... my problem is that i live in Greece and i don't think i'll be able to find these radiators . However i noticed that the larger are from Chrysler so i might be lucky and find one .

About the pump ...i'm not sure if i'll need a larger pump ... this is my main problem , as i don't know for a given water capacity of a heatercore which is the smaller pump you can use . (or size doesn't matter but is flowrate dependant ??? )

Hellion_Prime · 08-02-2003, 01:14 AM

After looking at the pics, mine's a 2-308. The mounting flange is a Very Good Thing. I had 4 172mm Comair Rotron Patriots set to pull air through it.

copyman · 08-03-2003, 01:25 AM

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Of course it will be with copper pipes and aluminium fins .

Thank you. [/b]

If you speak in using condensator's as radiators you will ruin your performance

I can make a radiator of the size that you to want without problems, and I can indicate that bomb to use, for the area that you have to place the radiator, with the efficiency of the radiators that I manufacture it can use a quietone 1100gph 15 ' shoot off without problems

Stelios · 08-06-2003, 12:11 PM

Ôïday i ordered my radiator !!!!
It's double pass full copper cellular type .
Dimensions 30x45 cm !

Tommorow it will be ready !
The pump i'm going to use is an Eheim 1250 which i already have bought.

But ... I'm still waiting for the Cascade . It shipped 9 days ago (Monday 28/7) , but it seems that it's a long way to Greece .

BrianW · 08-07-2003, 12:22 AM

How much did they charge you?

BrianW

Stelios · 08-07-2003, 12:37 AM

70 Euros...But real price is about at 120Euros. (That's why it's always nice to have good friends

)

Cathar · 08-07-2003, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stelios
But ... I'm still waiting for the Cascade . It shipped 9 days ago (Monday 28/7) , but it seems that it's a long way to Greece .

It can take up to 10 working days, so anything from 12-16 days. Of course customs and other hassles can slow things down further. I've sent stuff to Brazil (hi copyman) and it takes almost 3 full weeks, yet I've sent stuff to the USA or SE Asia and people have received it in as little as 3 days later.

Depends on the major air-mail routes as well I guess.

Stelios · 08-07-2003, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cathar
It can take up to 10 working days, so anything from 12-16 days. Of course customs and other hassles can slow things down further. I've sent stuff to Brazil (hi copyman) and it takes almost 3 full weeks, yet I've sent stuff to the USA or SE Asia and people have received it in as little as 3 days later.

Depends on the major air-mail routes as well I guess.

Thanks Cathar !

At least i know that everything is OK till now .

copyman · 08-07-2003, 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cathar
It can take up to 10 working days, so anything from 12-16 days. Of course customs and other hassles can slow things down further. I've sent stuff to Brazil (hi copyman) and it takes almost 3 full weeks, yet I've sent stuff to the USA or SE Asia and people have received it in as little as 3 days later.

Depends on the major air-mail routes as well I guess.

it's real, (Hy Cathar) : )

07-31-2003, 06:51 PM	#1
Stelios Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Athens , Greece Posts: 6	Which Radiator for the Cascade waterblock ??? In a few days i'm getting my Cascade waterblock (Thanks to Cathar) ... and i want opinions on the heatercore . The pump that i'm going to use is an Eheim 1250 (317gph). I don't have any problem with the dimensions (actually i want to buy a big one) and so far i'm thinking about something at 25x25x5 cm (ideally for 4 12cm fans) , but it wouldn't be a problem to take something at 40x40x5 cm for 9 12cm fans. Of course i can always use less fans in order to have silence ( i like the idea ! ) Will there be any problem with the pump ??? ... i mean is there an equation to tell you which is the biggest heatercore you can use with a specific pump (gph) ??? In case you are wondering where i'm going to find a heatercore like this , my answer is that i'm going to order it to a company that makes heatercores/radiators. Of course it will be with copper pipes and aluminium fins . Thank you.

08-01-2003, 08:38 AM	#3
mad mikee Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: US of A!!!! Posts: 146	Fedco 2-342 (aka Stant 9090?) Single pass. Check out my concoction log this weekend afte I finally get time to post the last pics. MBM says my CPU is running 36c whilst running prime95 torture test, 30c no load. (would be even lower but wanted to get another 100mhz out of my lovely barton) __________________ His PCV2000 DFI ULTRA D (SLI Modded just because) 4200 x2 @ ~ 10 x 260 /1.49 Vcore , G5 + PA160 + 150mm Papst@5V + Maze 4 GPU + mcp350. Temp 36-37(load-2 x D20L) 2x1GB Ballistix PC4000, x800xl 256m, 74G rap + 160G Hitachi SATA , 21" mit/nec 1920x1440 Crt + 19 Neovo F-419 1280x1024 LCD, OCZ Powerstream 600 Hers: (my beloved who lets me do all this) LianLi PCV1000, SD3700 @ 9x300, 1GB GBLA, 250+ 120 SATA, X700pro, 19" Neovo F-419 LCD, another OCZ 600

08-01-2003, 11:07 AM	#4
Hellion_Prime Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Arlington, MA, US Posts: 90	I've just recently moved, and most of my gear is in storage untill we get a larger place, so I cant post any hard data on flowrates for my 9x9x2 heatercore. The design of the heatercore will be the big kicker for you, I think. You might also give some thought to going with larger fans than the 120mm models you're thinking of since the rad will be so large. Let me know what you find. I'd be interested in one that size myself. I'm assuming you're putting it in a seperate enclosure, given its size. You might have a problem with head loss, depending on the distances involved. Just something to think about. Pictures of my gear can be foundhere __________________ That which does not kill me had BETTER do enough damage to keep me from firing back!

08-01-2003, 03:22 PM	#6
Blackeagle Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: U.S.A = Michigan Posts: 1,243	Good luck with your custom shop rad. Hope you let us know how it turns out. If the $$ are high though here are some very large rads. YOu can find them in the heater core data base. 2-192 2-193 2-308 All are pretty big. You could hang 4 X 4 120mm fans on that first or last monsters. That should do to cool about anything. I'd guess a larger pump might be in order though. Iwaki MD-20rlzt ? Last edited by Blackeagle; 08-01-2003 at 03:32 PM.

08-01-2003, 08:08 PM	#7
Hellion_Prime Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Arlington, MA, US Posts: 90	After looking at the pics, mine's a 2-308. The mounting flange is a Very Good Thing. I had 4 172mm Comair Rotron Patriots set to pull air through it. __________________ That which does not kill me had BETTER do enough damage to keep me from firing back!

07-31-2003, 09:21 PM	#2
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	Hellion Prime had a 10"x10" heatercore on this forum; maybe he will post in this thread with some info on flow rates with it. In general, the bigger the better as long as it's low flow resistance. From Bill's recent thermochill testing you might be able to get SOME idea of how pressure drop in a heatercore might scale with size. Or there were some discussions of an equation in the water cooling simulation discussion forum I think.

08-01-2003, 11:30 AM	#5
Stelios Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Athens , Greece Posts: 6	I just gave the exact dimensions to the shop and i'm waiting for the price ! ...if the price is high , i might consider a used truck heatercore , or the car radiator ... Has anyone tried it ??? (car radiator) ?? . AFAIK the car radiators have a lot better flow rate than the heatercore , but it needs some modification to the connectors ... Hellion_Prime > i'm not going to put it in an encloser . I will leave it standind in a corner under my desk.

08-01-2003, 08:14 PM	#8
Stelios Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Athens , Greece Posts: 6	Hmmm ... my problem is that i live in Greece and i don't think i'll be able to find these radiators . However i noticed that the larger are from Chrysler so i might be lucky and find one . About the pump ...i'm not sure if i'll need a larger pump ... this is my main problem , as i don't know for a given water capacity of a heatercore which is the smaller pump you can use . (or size doesn't matter but is flowrate dependant ??? )

08-02-2003, 01:14 AM	#9
Hellion_Prime Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Arlington, MA, US Posts: 90	After looking at the pics, mine's a 2-308. The mounting flange is a Very Good Thing. I had 4 172mm Comair Rotron Patriots set to pull air through it. __________________ That which does not kill me had BETTER do enough damage to keep me from firing back!

08-06-2003, 12:11 PM	#11
Stelios Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Athens , Greece Posts: 6	Ôïday i ordered my radiator !!!! It's double pass full copper cellular type . Dimensions 30x45 cm ! Tommorow it will be ready ! The pump i'm going to use is an Eheim 1250 which i already have bought. But ... I'm still waiting for the Cascade . It shipped 9 days ago (Monday 28/7) , but it seems that it's a long way to Greece .

08-07-2003, 12:22 AM	#12
BrianW Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Desert City in California Posts: 631	How much did they charge you? BrianW __________________ Water Cooled Inwin Q500 (Dual Rads: Rad1 = DTEK Pro Core \| Rad2 = Blick Ice Estreme, Hydor L30, Dangerden Maze2, Bay Res Typhoon Reservoir, 1/2 " DD Tygon Thick Wall Hose). Flow: Res, Pump, CPU watervlock, Y into both rads, both rads into res independently. Athlon XP 1800+ (@ 1731 - 150mhz fsb.), on a Asus A7N266-c, and a Radeon 9000 *waiting for RMA'd Saphire 9800 ultra from Newegg)

08-07-2003, 12:37 AM	#13
Stelios Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Athens , Greece Posts: 6	70 Euros...But real price is about at 120Euros. (That's why it's always nice to have good friends )

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